ITTF WTTC Finals Doha 2025, 5/17-25

[zeio]

Sure. Most of the value you contribute to the forum comes not from your opinions but your translation of well regarded foreign (news) sources that we do not have easy access to in the West and tieba users do not qualify as well regarded news source. Like I said you are free to continue the practice, I am personally not a fan, and I am pointing out that it is silly enough to site the opinions of random posters who none of us know their level of expertise purportedly because they are from Japan and China or any random place. It's not like those of us who have travelled to China and Japan are inferior to all the players and posters we meet in those players (in reality, far from it, players of all levels exist in many countries and most professional players have little time for webboards but we would welcome their insights if they were tieba users).

What we do to support the sport is quite frankly none of your business but most of us organize and play events in the West and coach quite a few beginners etc. None of this regardless has any bearing on the fact that we do not find the opinions of randos on tieba insightful - we are okay with debating ours.

"Qualify as well regarded news source?" Have I ever claimed to be a journalist? As I've clearly stated, those are comments and opinions.

In the past few years, even some of the Japanese news agencies have started to follow and report the comments, opinions and reactions of the Chinese media (traditional media or social media) and fans.

Inferior? You see, the one thing I've noticed with the West is that you folks are increasingly closing yourselves off when it comes to international affairs whereas Asia is doing the exact opposite, particularly Japan which was very isolated and it shows in table tennis forums.

 

[NextLevel]

"Qualify as well regarded news source?" Have I ever claimed to be a journalist? As I've clearly stated, those are comments and opinions.

In the past few years, even some of the Japanese news agencies have started to follow and report the comments, opinions and reactions of the Chinese media (traditional media or social media) and fans.

Inferior? You see, the one thing I've noticed with the West is that you folks are increasingly closing yourselves off when it comes to international affairs whereas Asia is doing the exact opposite, particularly Japan which was very isolated and it shows in table tennis forums.

Every major news outlet in the West for a specific sport or topic reports on the opinions of common people, but that is not what we come to webforums for. We come to create and have our own conversations and share our own insights and information and if we get a summary of sentiments from foreign users, we may find it interesting in the context of our discussions, especially if counterintuitive, but the specific comments of randos, definitely not. Sometimes, I wonder whether you say nonsense just to win arguments or you just don't understand what you are really saying. The idea that anyone coming to TTD is closing themself off from international affairs is just ludicrous, in fact any one as a fan of TT in the West is exposing themselves as much as possible to a sport often dominated by Asians.

 

[Tony's Table Tennis]

2 venue problems

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just to elaborate:

you have shuttle going to venue 1
then you have shuttle going to venue 2
so you hop on the shuttle going to venue 1, but you end up in venue 2.

So it isn't like a miscommunication issue where you tell the driver you going to 1, but end up at 2.
But then again, some players did communicate, but still end up wrong.... so, I don't know what went wrong.
So that is from Hotel to venue.

Then you have venue 1 to venue 2 commuting that takes time. Now these shuttles are not instance hop on/hop off, there is a time table, some times a queue, so you may risk not taking the next one due to the queue. This gives more strain and time sacrificed from your preparation or resting plan - it is a big deal.

And then you have practice hall scheduling (made by ITTF). So you practice in the practice hall in venue 1 for example. But your match later is in venue 2..... and vice versa. The hall feeling in both venues are different...

I mean, it is okay to have 2 venues, but need to take the stress off the players.

 

[zeio]

JWJ played like crap because his racket failed racket control and the fear of getting disqualified at the possibility of his spare racket also failing post-match thickness test haunted him throughout the match that he couldn't focus at all.

张禹珍赛前球拍检测不合格，比赛中一直使用备用板但心态受到影响
https://tieba.baidu.com/p/9723562039

https://www.tabletennisdaily.com/fo...nis-championships-2025-doha.36703/post-523824

MS R128
T4 JWJ 4-3 Burgos (4, 8, -11, -6, -10, 3, 8)
G7 03 TO for JWJ, 23, 24, 34, 36, 66, 67, 87 TO for Burgos, 88, 118
Table Tennis 2025: Shingeki no South America

 

[Tony's Table Tennis]

Inferior? You see, the one thing I've noticed with the West is that you folks are increasingly closing yourselves off when it comes to international affairs whereas Asia is doing the exact opposite,

are you telling me, the gov has lifted the great firewall of China? and are open to international affairs now?
or is China still closed off?

 

[NextLevel]

Lin and Cheng are playing XD together again... what's that about, @Tony's Table Tennis ?

 

[Tony's Table Tennis]

Lin and Cheng are playing XD together again... what's that about, @Tony's Table Tennis ?

nothing special I guess, no one else to pair.
Chen is injured and wont' be playing any further this year.

Taiwan's best women's early 20s player is also a lefty.
So this XD pairing is a bit of a concern indeed.
Not sure if the upcoming teenagers will be ready for LA

 

[Lizh with skVII]

are you telling me, the gov has lifted the great firewall of China? and are open to international affairs now?
or is China still closed off?

I support your rebuttal of him,but I don't think it's good to get this political.

 

[Tony's Table Tennis]

I support your rebuttal of him,but I don't think it's good to get this political.

not trying to get political, since we all know who is getting closed off forcefully.

But it is stupid to say the west is closed off, while to me, the west is way more open to international affairs., especially Europeans, where so many of the TTD users are from.
The number 1 closed off is North Korea, and then we can also decide the rest.

anyways, one chinese user thinks he is god and looks low on everyone (including you), is sickening.

Westerns are probably less willing to fight (compared to tieba users), else zeio will have a mountain to overcome, every time he looks down on the west.

 

[Lizh with skVII]

not trying to get political, since we all know who is getting closed off forcefully.

But it is stupid to say the west is closed off, while to me, the west is way more open to international affairs., especially Europeans, where so many of the TTD users are from.
The number 1 closed off is North Korea, and then we can also decide the rest.

anyways, one chinese user thinks he is god and looks low on everyone (including you), is sickening.

Westerns are probably less willing to fight (compared to tieba users), else zeio will have a mountain to overcome, every time he looks down on the west.

Yes I understand that.I have been seeing Zeio arguing with others on the forum for quite a lot times,I believe that this is not because of nationality.

 

[Tony's Table Tennis]

Yes I understand that.I have been seeing Zeio arguing with others on the forum for quite a lot times,I believe that this is not because of nationality.

I also don't think so too, because he argues with Chinese people too.
but to put value of tieba users (which is mostly chinese) over that of TTD users, is really stupid, and you don't go into an environment and belittle everyone there.

I'm not sure if he wants to revenge on the 8 national invasion of China or what, since he is still stuck with Japanese abuse during the invasion (and probably the reason why he also attacks Japanese womens player).

Most table tennis players I know from China have are too young to worry about history and only focus on table tennis and making friends. So this problem is a zeio problem and not Chinese problem.

 

[Takkyu_wa_inochi]

I wonder if there is some Tieba user translating NextLevel Tony & co about our opinions on this competition 😂

 

[Tony's Table Tennis]

I wonder if there is some Tieba user translating NextLevel Tony & co about our opinions on this competition 😂

of all the forums I seen, including some European ones that are not English, I have only saw zeio posting half of one forum into another forum.

 

[zeio]

XD R32
T2 Matsushima/Harimoto 3-2 Ban/Arapovic (8, -8, 5, -9, 9)
G5 10, 11, 31, 33, 53, 54 TO for JPN, 56 big net for Arapovic, 76, 77, 87 epic point with many nets, 107, 109, 119

T8 Teodoro/G. Takahashi 3-2 Berzosa/Matiunina (8, -9, 9, -8, 7)
G4 40, 41, 71, 74 TO for BRA, 76, 86, 811
G5 30, 32, 52, 54, 84, 86, 96, 97, 117

https://www.tabletennisdaily.com/fo...nis-championships-2025-doha.36703/post-523824

XD R64
T8 Daniel Berzosa/Veronika Matiunina CPR 625 3-2 Ham Yu Song/Pyon Song Gyong CPR 265 (5, -13, 9, -13, 10)
G5 95, 96 dead net for PSG, 97, 107, 1010, 1210

 

[Tony's Table Tennis]

some of the fans have higher end gear than some professional photographers I know

Feel so sorry for the one using a phone on the left top.

 

[NextLevel]

Duda making Noshad look like an amateur...

 

[zeio]

I wonder if there is some Tieba user translating NextLevel Tony & co about our opinions on this competition 😂

I've actually seen some of them keeping track of the general sentiment on MyTT, TT-News and Tennis2Table. TTD users have a lot of catching up to do, though Dan's recent Build Your Perfect WTT Player videos were quoted.

 

[zeio]

Duda making Noshad look like an amateur...

Ahem...

https://www.tabletennisdaily.com/fo...ongqing-2025-11-16-mar-2025.35822/post-512507

And you really think the level of their opponents was comparable? Togami played a great match.

Before this:
Duda 3 H2H 0 Uda
A. Lebrun 0 H2H 1 Uda (back in 2015)

Duda 1 H2H 0 Togami
A. Lebrun 1 H2H 1 Togami

FFS, Duda and Alexis are the runner-up and winner of ETTC 2024, respectively, with the former taking out Felix in the SF. As I said, Duda taking out Felix shouldn't be swept under the rug.

 

[JackJohnson]

just to elaborate:

you have shuttle going to venue 1
then you have shuttle going to venue 2
so you hop on the shuttle going to venue 1, but you end up in venue 2.

So it isn't like a miscommunication issue where you tell the driver you going to 1, but end up at 2.
But then again, some players did communicate, but still end up wrong.... so, I don't know what went wrong.
So that is from Hotel to venue.

Then you have venue 1 to venue 2 commuting that takes time. Now these shuttles are not instance hop on/hop off, there is a time table, some times a queue, so you may risk not taking the next one due to the queue. This gives more strain and time sacrificed from your preparation or resting plan - it is a big deal.

And then you have practice hall scheduling (made by ITTF). So you practice in the practice hall in venue 1 for example. But your match later is in venue 2..... and vice versa. The hall feeling in both venues are different...

I mean, it is okay to have 2 venues, but need to take the stress of the players.

I feel very sorry for some of the teams who only have one coach (Oceania players) how is one coach suppose to go to two venues at the same time. Not sure how compact the scheduling was and if it had much of an effect on Oceania players but next time when they schedule this where they utilise 2 different venues they should have the same table tennis association in one location for the same session. Probably not possible to do this but it’s not fair on these players particularly the smaller nations who only have one coach.

 

[Tony's Table Tennis]

I feel very sorry for some of the teams who only have one coach (Oceania players) how is one coach suppose to go to two venues at the same time. Not sure how compact the scheduling was and if it had much of an effect on Oceania players but next time when they schedule this where they utilise 2 different venues they should have the same table tennis association in one location for the same session. Probably not possible to do this but it’s not fair on these players particularly the smaller nations who only have one coach.

I actually didn't think of this... you are spot on.

in the olden days, you would have groups, and all your group matches would be in the same hall and other group matches in another venue.
and then when it hits knockouts, then you down to one venue, so you don't really need to travel between the two.

So what is happening now is
Table 1 and 2 is in one venue (Lusail)
The others, in another venue (Qatar University)

so other than team/coach, imagine spectator / teammates to support needing to commute.


and to add, the schedule is out the day before.
So its not like you will know you are playing which match on which venue/table, so you can warm up more in that hall (provided practice hall scheduling allows).
For the smaller nations, they tend to share practice hall scheduling together.