United States Smash 2025, Las Vegas, 7/3-13

[ThePongCommenter]

Yeah yeah, and I'm sure you've got a bridge in your hometown to sell to me. Sure thing bud.

Oh, I fully knew you were going to call me a liar yet again since know-it-alls like yourself don't learn, such as from the last time you made an ass out of yourself thinking that CNT clones were a conspiracy theory or expired practice.

As I've written before to someone else, the fact that you think it is so implausible that someone could know someone connected to the CNT really just shows how little you know despite thinking you know everything - these connections are pretty easily accessible if you've ever even stepped foot in a club in the USA that is headed up by a former Chinese pro, much less been deeply involved in the professional landscape for years like I was.

That's why I'm not really writing for you but for others on this forum who aren't self-assured despite having no knowledge of table tennis besides their own convictions based on no real world experience.

 

[Shine]

Oh, I fully knew you were going to call me a liar yet again since know-it-alls like yourself don't learn, such as from the last time you made an ass out of yourself thinking that CNT clones were a conspiracy theory or expired practice.

As I've written before to someone else, the fact that you think it is so implausible that someone could know someone connected to the CNT really just shows how little you know despite thinking you know everything - these connections are pretty easily accessible if you've ever even stepped foot in a club in the USA that is headed up by a former Chinese pro, much less been deeply ingrained in the professional training system for years like I was.

That's why I'm not really writing for you but for others on this forum who aren't self-assured despite having no knowledge of table tennis besides their own convictions based on no real world experience.

Not surprised that you'd miss the crux of my argument against the clones. That's to be expected. Poor you.
Funny thing is I have never said it's hard to get a connection with the CNT. I mean they do outreaches in the US and stuff. I don't believe that because someone's got a "connection" with the CNT, their opinions are sacrosanct and shouldn't be questioned, especially when what they've alleged as "facts" have been called into dispute and found to be wrong a couple of time. Plus there's this little problem with their systems analysis.
I might even be replying to a double of that person, hey.

 

[ThePongCommenter]

Not surprised that you'd miss the crux of my argument against the clones. That's to be expected. Poor you.
Funny thing is I have never said it's hard to get a connection with the CNT. I mean they do outreaches in the US and stuff. I don't believe that because someone's got a "connection" with the CNT, their opinions are sacrosanct and shouldn't be questioned, especially when what they've alleged as "facts" have been called into dispute and found to be wrong a couple of time. Plus there's this little problem with their systems analysis.
I might even be replying to a double of that person, hey.

Of course its not sacrosanct but direct info from people directly connected is worth sharing and carries more weight by nature. But if you're so determined to seek truth then post your disputes and disproving evidence rather than the same tired "you're lying about having direct CNT info" bullshit, I haven't seen any of that yet.

 

[Tony's Table Tennis]

As I've written before to someone else, the fact that you think it is so implausible that someone could know someone connected to the CNT really just shows how little you know despite thinking you know everything - these connections are pretty easily accessible if you've ever even stepped foot in a club in the USA that is headed up by a former Chinese pro, much less been deeply involved in the professional landscape for years like I was.

That's why I'm not really writing for you but for others on this forum who aren't self-assured despite having no knowledge of table tennis besides their own convictions based on no real world experience.

I literally have a CNT player next to me the whole day for the past week and shine will still think i'm a liar.

 

[Shine]

Oh wait, it actually was you, of course. How funny that there was no response to any of those questions from such an enlightened .... that always has so much to say?

Of course its not sacrosanct but direct info from people directly connected is worth sharing and carries more weight by nature. But if you're so determined to seek truth then post your disputes and disproving evidence rather than the same tired "you're lying about having direct CNT info" bullshit, I haven't seen any of that yet.

Onus is on those who claim that there's something going on to prove it though. I've not come out here to dispute what appears legitimate, or what is common sense or what passes the eye test. If what you're telling me now is to prove that "rumors" from a forum user is false, rumors that come with no evidence besides "I know people", then there's no argument to be had, we shall agree to disagree.

 

[ThePongCommenter]

I literally have a CNT player next to me the whole day for the past week and shine will still think i'm a liar.

Just tell Fan Siqi that she will need to bring at least 3 pieces of direct evidence to TTD, preferably a sworn video statement from Liu Guoliang, to satisfy Shine's burden of proof. Until then, he will throw a tantrum and call everyone liars because they posted information that contradicts what he believes and doesn't meet his credibility standard for "argument" lol.

 

[Tony's Table Tennis]

Just tell Fan Siqi that she will need to bring at least 3 pieces of direct evidence to TTD, preferably a sworn video statement from Liu Guoliang, to satisfy Shine's burden of proof. Until then, he will throw a tantrum and call everyone liars because they posted information that contradicts what he believes and doesn't meet his credibility standard for "argument" lol.

Siqi will probably say i'm wasting my time, which is probably true too. haha

 

[Shine]

I literally have a CNT player next to me the whole day for the past week and shine will still think i'm a liar.

You said XF and QTY were not permitted to partake in Vegas because of their performances in Doha. Your evidence - your affiliation.
The counter argument was 1. The team has personally disavowed that rule in light of recent realities and relative competitiveness of their players, and this rule has scarcely been breached. 2. Xue Fei was not qualified to partake in the competition in the first place on the back of his ranking delimma, and QTY was pencilled to defend her WUS titles, a very plausible reason to not play her. 3. It doesn't make much sense to punish the little fries when the big fish haven't been perfect and weren't punished, so I'm not sure what you've said was true.

Your reply - "But XF played in Singapore Smash".
Riposte - Maybe you've forgotten but XF didn't qualify for Singapore smash either, he was drafted in as a last minute replacement for LGY as a result of GY's loss and grieving period.

So far, no countersignal on your end. The fact that you work with Siqi doesn't mean you can't knowingly or unknowingly "make mistakes". You're only human. i don't think my perspective is unreasonable, I think it holds weight.

And btw, @ThePongCommenter, this is the way I see things. But you know XJP and LH so I can't know anything really, right?

 

[maxtor]

Go private, folks. Moderators, please clean the thread

 

[JJ Ng]

Getting back on the topic. I just noticed that tickets for the sessions include main session (i.e. table 1) and side sessions (i.e. table 2-4). For tables 2-4, the ticket is just general admission. For table 1, you select a particular seat. I am leaning tables 2-4 so I can watch more players in action even though the main event is on table 1.

I kind of have an idea how table 1 looks like in terms of viewership and layout by watching WTT youtube videos. However, what kind of view and seating arrangements can a spectator expect from tables 2-4?

And are table 1 and tables 2-4 under the same roof and at the same location? Obviously I heard about how at world championship they have two venues km's apart and that sounds like a disaster. Hence my question if table 1 and tables 2-4 are under the same roof and at the same location.

 

[maxtor]

I think it's better to ask the question directly to organizers

 

[Matt Hetherington]

Hola amigos. The venues are adjacent for tables 1 (main venue) and 2,3,4 (smash arena). Hope that helps. I will be there from 27 June to 15 July. Busy 3 weeks for me 😇

 

[Novarac23]

Hola amigos. The venues are adjacent for tables 1 (main venue) and 2,3,4 (smash arena). Hope that helps. I will be there from 27 June to 15 July. Busy 3 weeks for me 😇

Not sure if you'll have any time but would love to say hi! Your content is great!

 

[Matt Hetherington]

Not sure if you'll have any time but would love to say hi! Your content is great!

I should have, just flick me a DM on IG when you get there and we can figure it out

 

[Novarac23]

I should have, just flick me a DM on IG when you get there and we can figure it out

Oh awesome, will do! Oh I don't don't have IG, but I do have reddit or can DM you over the forum if that works Super pumped about this event!

 

[Matt Hetherington]

Oh awesome, will do! Oh I don't don't have IG, but I do have reddit or can DM you over the forum if that works Super pumped about this event!

For sure flick me a message here ahead of time and we can figure out where the best app to stay in touch is

 

[Novarac23]

For sure flick me a message here ahead of time and we can figure out where the best app to stay in touch is

Sounds good, talk to you soon!

 

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Host wildcards:

Amy Wang
Sally Moyland
Jessica Reyes Lai
Nagasaki Miyû
Nandan Naresh
Sid Naresh
Izaac Quek
Jishian Liang

WTT nominations:

Kihara Miyû
Xu Yi
Flavien Coton
Andrej Gacina

 

[ThePongCommenter]

Host wildcards:

Amy Wang
Sally Moyland
Jessica Reyes Lai
Nagasaki Miyû
Nandan Naresh
Sid Naresh
Izaac Quek
Jishian Liang

WTT nominations:

Kihara Miyû
Xu Yi
Flavien Coton
Andrej Gacina

And don't forget the Host Wildcard "nomination" for doubles, son of 888 ownership and 2200-rated Bosman Botha!

888's multimillionaire multibillionaire doesn't have interest in growing the sport in the US, it is just a pet project for the owners' son to try to achieve some dream.

 

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And don't forget the Host Wildcard "nomination" for doubles, son of 888 ownership and 2200-rated Bosman Botha!

Actually wasn't mentioned in the WTT post.