New Xiom Blades Series: Hugo Calderano and Lee Seungsoo (TMX / ALX)

[andzejgolot]

What do you mean?

Please learn more about inner and outer construction

 

[Yurifi]

I think they reworked gluing handle with wings and it makes them high throw which is the easiest way to Play topspin

well, to be completely honest ... I don't exactly know, what do you mean, too ...

what has handle, with wings, to do with reworked gluing, high throw and inner and outer construction?

 

[andzejgolot]

Blade Has different shape and different throw angle. An jaehyun is crispy and very low throw blade so ball is really low. Hugo tmxi pro has different trajectory...
I used ovtcharov alc, harimoto alc, layer alc, innerforce alc. Ovtcharov alc has lower throw than all mentioned, so Hugo tmxi pro should have lower throw than an jaehyun tmxi... Sometimes you can change the blade with different shape of handle and wings. You can clear difference between Timo Boll alc and viscaria.
I dont care I will not respond.

 

[Yurifi]

Blade Has different shape and different throw angle. An jaehyun is crispy and very low throw blade so ball is really low. Hugo tmxi pro has different trajectory...
I used ovtcharov alc, harimoto alc, layer alc, innerforce alc. Ovtcharov alc has lower throw than all mentioned, so Hugo tmxi pro should have lower throw than an jaehyun tmxi... Sometimes you can change the blade with different shape of handle and wings. You can clear difference between Timo Boll alc and viscaria.
I dont care I will not respond.

sorry, there must be some kind of language barrier between us, I am not provoking, not at all, I just want to understand what you mean. 😀 at least in regards to handle and wings - because I have no idea how handle and wings would affect playability. the shape of the head (bigger head) and thickness I agree and understand, but cannot see how wings and handle could affect it ...

on the other hand, I understand the first part, yes, much clearer.

but for the general debate - I started thinking about the throw - I don't think that the ball throw is blade's property - I dare say that blade inherits some of the throw in combination with rubbers used. I cannot imagine how blade could have throw angle, because it cannot grip the ball. but, on the other hand, I didn't understand how blade can affect spin and rotation of the ball, and now I do, now I know dwell time has something to do with it so in regards to the throw angle, I could be quite wrong.

 

[Yurifi]

I took this pic during the WTT Ljubljana Star Contender ... I tried to pull as much detail out of the photo as possible, but it is clearly visible, that layers are just as in the regular hal. maybe thickness of layers isn't the same but point being, as there were quite some discussions about Hugo actually not playing with Hugo HAL - well, I guess this is the proof, that he is.

especially if you compare it to ttgearlab's (Xiom Hugo HAL review) layer pic:

 

[doppelmoral]

I took this pic during the WTT Ljubljana Star Contender ... I tried to pull as much detail out of the photo as possible, but it is clearly visible, that layers are just as in the regular hal. maybe thickness of layers isn't the same but point being, as there were quite some discussions about Hugo actually not playing with Hugo HAL - well, I guess this is the proof, that he is.

especially if you compare it to ttgearlab's (Xiom Hugo HAL review) layer pic:

Thank you for this, very insightful and a nice high quality picture you were able to take at the Star Contender

 

[andzejgolot]

For me it looks like SAL. Which is known info from ttbl.de that he used very heavy SAL around 94 grams in 2019? then they put HAL worldwide because Super Arylate was Butterfly trademark.
Probably there is no big difference between them except weight.

 

[Yurifi]

so, after 6 extensive playing sessions with Hugo ALX we are a bit in a love & hate relationship. backhand in combination with Xiom Vega Pro is great. with Tibhar MXP50 was also quite good but a bit too fast. bit still playable. on forehand I started with Yasaka Rakza Z and Hurricane 9 Violet and it was … I felt there was something missing. any suggestions?

 

[doppelmoral]

so, after 6 extensive playing sessions with Hugo ALX we are a bit in a love & hate relationship. backhand in combination with Xiom Vega Pro is great. with Tibhar MXP50 was also quite good but a bit too fast. bit still playable. on forehand I started with Yasaka Rakza Z and Hurricane 9 Violet and it was … I felt there was something missing. any suggestions?

my suggestion for you is to go back to ajh tmxi or try to get your hands on a ajh tmxi pro

 

[andzejgolot]

so, after 6 extensive playing sessions with Hugo ALX we are a bit in a love & hate relationship. backhand in combination with Xiom Vega Pro is great. with Tibhar MXP50 was also quite good but a bit too fast. bit still playable. on forehand I started with Yasaka Rakza Z and Hurricane 9 Violet and it was … I felt there was something missing. any suggestions?

I always think their blade - rubbers work the best. Buy some c52...

 

[andzejgolot]

For me it looks like SAL. Which is known info from ttbl.de that he used very heavy SAL around 94 grams in 2019? then they put HAL worldwide because Super Arylate was Butterfly trademark.
Probably there is no big difference between them except weight.

Hugo didnt like composites and carbon
Sal has white color which is hard to see if you are not lookin on the edge all the time...
So they send him blades with white arylate and he didnt even notice the composite and that's why Xiom discountined HAL because Calderano didnt even use IT and they cant put SAL anymore

 

[Grahf]

Bought both Hugo´s, the ALX Pro and the TMXi Pro on FL from tabletennis11, and goddamn Xiom has a really good quality control on their blades, also the handles are really good and they look as well.

I asked for the heaviest they had and I got both on 86g.

Xiom Hugo ALX Pro FL: 86.16g, 1485 Hz
Xiom Hugo TMXi Pro FL: 86g, 1421 Hz

 

[TIME]

Bought both Hugo´s, the ALX Pro and the TMXi Pro on FL from tabletennis11, and goddamn Xiom has a really good quality control on their blades, also the handles are really good and they look as well.

I asked for the heaviest they had and I got both on 86g.

Xiom Hugo ALX Pro FL: 86.16g, 1485 Hz
Xiom Hugo TMXi Pro FL: 86g, 1421 Hz

That's interesting. The lightest AJH TMXi Pro I have ever found was 89gr.

 

[Yurifi]

That's interesting. The lightest AJH TMXi Pro I have ever found was 89gr.

mine is 86g.

again, what do these Hz numbers tell us? in this particular case - that TMXi is as hard as ALX? as fast as ALX? because ALX is way to hard for my game and was thinking of switching it with Hugo TMXi, but if Hugo TMXi is as hard then I did nothing ...

 

[kapahoo]

mine is 86g.

again, what do these Hz numbers tell us?

I believe they say that this ALX is slightly stiffer than this TMXi.

 

[Yurifi]

I believe they say that this ALX is slightly stiffer than this TMXi.

this numbers are really close. but - if they are of similar speed, ok with me, ALX is speed wise still under control in my book, but if TMXi is as stiff as ALX, then this isn't really good, I prefer softer feel (regular TMXi like feel).
so looking forward to TMXi impressions, as I was planning to get Hugo TMXi as a prime blade (bigger, slightly faster) and have my current AJH TMXi as a backup blade.

and I will sell ALX soon, so ...

also - AJH TMXi in comparison to Ice Cream AZXi - are they of similar softer feel?

 

[kevin.c]

this numbers are really close. but - if they are of similar speed, ok with me, ALX is speed wise still under control in my book, but if TMXi is as stiff as ALX, then this isn't really good, I prefer softer feel (regular TMXi like feel).
so looking forward to TMXi impressions, as I was planning to get Hugo TMXi as a prime blade (bigger, slightly faster) and have my current AJH TMXi as a backup blade.

and I will sell ALX soon, so ...

also - AJH TMXi in comparison to Ice Cream AZXi - are they of similar softer feel?

AZXi has different carbon alc and zlc on each sides, it's a very different blade as compared to the ajh tmxi pro that I have. Feel, spin, trajectory.

 

[Yurifi]

AZXi has different carbon alc and zlc on each sides, it's a very different blade as compared to the ajh tmxi pro that I have. Feel, spin, trajectory.

in what way is it different? I know it has two different carbon layers, somehow I prefer softer feel on FH and bit harder, more direct feel on BH. i.e., currently I am playing with ALX and it is quite hard, stiff blade. it doesn’t bother me as much on BH as it does on FH. speed is okay, it’s not too much but I can’t get used to it. maybe it’s just koto that is bothering me, all my previous blades were limba (dad once gave me his OSP Ultimate II to try but it was too hard, rosewood layer on top, if I am correct).

 

[kevin.c]

in what way is it different? I know it has two different carbon layers, somehow I prefer softer feel on FH and bit harder, more direct feel on BH. i.e., currently I am playing with ALX and it is quite hard, stiff blade. it doesn’t bother me as much on BH as it does on FH. speed is okay, it’s not too much but I can’t get used to it. maybe it’s just koto that is bothering me, all my previous blades were limba (dad once gave me his OSP Ultimate II to try but it was too hard, rosewood layer on top, if I am correct).

I have the same issue with TMX Pro CDS with Koto outer, i do like it on the BH but I can't get it to work on my FH.

AZXi it's limba top ply with ALC and ZLC carbon. If you would like a stiffer carbon, ZLC would be better for bh on this blade. ALC would be more suited for FH due to it having more flex. Even though i have this blade i didn't play it much as i didn't like the handle being too small for me.

 

[neon]

Hi. I tried a few photos.
Left is AJH TMXi PRO, right Harimoto ALC and Long 5. All is iner blades type ... "A". Core is thin. Long 5 has thin top Limba and thickest second Samba (Ayuos) . AJH TMXi PRO is almost the same, but for zylon is stifer and cryspier. Harimoto has top Limba and second Samba with equal size. Harimoto feels almost like Long 5. Long 5 has very specific sound. Tks.