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I'm talking about compared to the old hurricane rubbers. People always post how the new ones are not as "sticky" as the old ones. Like out of the package, they used to be looking almost glossy...at least from what i saw in the pictures. now they come out of the package and they are tacky...but dont have that super glossy look.

but yes, my hurricane rubbers keep their playing property throughout the life of the rubber. the sponge doesn't, but the topsheet does.
My Wang Chuqin hurricane had pretty much 0 tack out of the package. It was definitely original, i checked the code. For me it is just unplayable. I really tried to make this rubber work but it playes like eurohybrid, not chinese tacky rubber. If i was playing shakehand it would probably be better for me, but in penhold it's just hell. It has higher throw, it does not grip that ball that well, it has more catapult effect. I don't want to play lotery with my next purchases, so i'm exploring other options.

Even if i compare it to my old Chen Meng hurricane, which is super glossy, Wang Chuqin is just pure matte black.
 
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Some more or less interesting stuff about DHS rubbers and sponges can be found in their "Handbook of DHS T.T. Products (in Chinese language).pdf" https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1xss4XdArxyhyyifUyy3y2tzR3AC6zGlT

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What is the difference between No. 20 and No. 22 sponges?
No. 20 sponge was successfully developed by DHS in 2000. It has a close inheritance with No. 22. The control ability of the sponge is strengthened mainly by adding plasticizers and changing the process. Therefore, it feels softer and the surface treatment is neater. However, the two are similar in basic performance. The surface pores of No. 20 sponge are fine and closely arranged to increase its potential energy, making the ball's arc longer and faster. No. 22 sponge has high tensile strength and strong rebound force. It can maintain a lower arc and create high-speed rotation and strong forward thrust through force friction...

In the era of separation of rubber and sponge, everyone is already very familiar with DHS's "Yunhai" sponge, first No. 22, then No. 20. Including the transition from organic to inorganic, the sponges used in the new Kuangbiao and the new Tianji have a common feature, which is a dense hard sponge. Hard sponge + sticky rubber is a prominent feature of Chinese rubber. This is also the consistent advantage of DHS, which is easy to rub and spin, the arc of the ball is cunning, and there are many changes in the front rush of the table. In 2008, the ITTF banned glue, and the use of inorganic glue reduced the rotation and speed of the ball. Under the condition of glue filling, the advantage of high elasticity of No. 22 and No. 20 sponges after full expansion was limited, so DHS immediately developed the NEO series of Kuangbiao and Tianji, using tension sponge, and rediscovered the advantages in speed and rotation. The No. 25 sponge used in the Hurricane 8 in 2018 is also a dense sponge, but after adopting the high-elastic particle penetration technology, near-nanoscale particles are added to reduce the energy loss in the sponge, so it becomes softer, but not losing elasticity. It is a high-elastic micro-foaming technology.
The sponge technology types of German and Japanese rubbers are very different from those of Chinese sponges. In the past, DHS has always focused on the development of Chinese rubbers. Later, high-elastic white sponges appeared. In the Tiangong series of rubbers, we named the sponges 50#, 60#, and 65# respectively. The faster one is No. 60, which is designed in yellow, and the one that emphasizes control is No. 50, which is designed in orange. 65# is between 60# and 50#. All three sponges are open-pore sponges (large-pore sponges, or cake sponges).
The No. 80 sponge (red) that appeared in 2021 is also a large-pore sponge, mainly used for backhand...

Why does DHS sponge use Shore hardness?
What is the difference with other hardness standards? The fundamental reason why the Shore hardness standard is different from other sponge hardness standards is that the testing equipment and methods are different. DHS uses Shore A type, which is measured by a needle probe, while other sponge standards use spherical probes (C type). The two measurement methods can be used separately according to the density of the sponge, and they cannot be converted to each other. However, it can generally be roughly estimated by C-13~15=A. (Jin Gong 5 & Jin Gong 8 use Shore C hardness measurement) The needle measurement method is suitable for sponges with high density and has high measurement accuracy, while sponges with low density have high accuracy under the spherical measurement method. The Shore hardness standard is a sponge testing method used by DHS for 60 years and has been recognized by the market. From the comparison between the DHS sponge hardness system and the perception of athletes, the use of Shore hardness by DHS sponge has its regularity and scientificity. Whether it is a dense sponge or a large-pore sponge, the same hardness parameter is used, which is conducive to a clearer product system...

Is a soft sponge more elastic or a hard sponge more elastic?
The elasticity of a sponge has no direct relationship with its hardness. For the same type of sponge, the higher the hardness, the greater the elasticity. However, if it is too hard, it will be dead. On the contrary, the elasticity will decrease. Whether it is too hard depends on the swing strength. For example, a 43-degree blue sponge can maximize its power in Wang Liqin's hands, but for players with relatively weak strength, such a high hardness will make it dead and unable to hit through...

What are the differences in performance between national sets, provincial sets, and hurricane sets? What are the common specifications for national team members? What is the difference between star national sets and national sets?
National hurricane sets, provincial hurricane sets, and general hurricane sets use the same formula. The main difference between the three is the tolerance accuracy of the indicators. For example, the hardness requirements of national team athletes can be accurate to 0.5 degrees and the thickness can be accurate to 0.05mm, so the detection tolerance range of national sets is smaller. The detection tolerance range for general athletes is slightly relaxed.
In addition, in different periods, top-notch players such as Ma Long will have different requirements for the viscosity of the rubber or the hardness of the sponge, which requires fine-tuning. Therefore, there are slight differences in the national sets of different stars, and there are also differences in the same star player in different technical cycles or event cycles....

Blue Provincial Madness seems to have increased in weight? Is it due to the formula adjustment or the glue? Starting from 2021, the blue sponge rubber used by the national team, provincial and municipal teams has been toughened. After the sponge toughness is improved, the sponge will withstand more and more intensive impact force and increase the service life of the sponge. After the blue sponge is toughened, the bottom strength is stronger, and the weight is slightly increased, generally 3-5 grams heavier.

And of course some new products...
RF09: something that might restore tackiness (https://www.tabletennisdaily.com/fo...sessions-even-with-cleaning.37347/post-529303)
Hurricane Long 5H and Hurricane 301H "New H ultra-dense fiber, Internal structure, Strengthen the power through and through, Enhance speed and combine control"
 
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i am confused by the different #s of DHS sponges... #20, #22, #50, #60, #80... (are there more?)

is there a comprehensive list of the sponges comparing hardness, characteristics etc?
how exactly are the numbers assigned?

i know #50 is softer than #60 which is softer than #80, but #20 and 22 are much harder as they are used in h3 as far as i understand?

#80 is used in h8-80
#60 in Skyline
#50 in h3-50 and Tinarc

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i am confused by the different #s of DHS sponges... #20, #22, #50, #60, #80... (are there more?)

is there a comprehensive list of the sponges comparing hardness, characteristics etc?
how exactly are the numbers assigned?

i know #50 is softer than #60 which is softer than #80, but #20 and 22 are much harder as they are used in h3 as far as i understand?

#80 is used in h8-80
#60 in Skyline
#50 in h3-50 and Tinarc

cheers!
Normal Hurricane 8 has sponge number 25 I think.
Sponge 65 was white cake sponge for some Tin Arcs, maybe Tin Arc 5?

I don't think the 37 degree orange sponge is harder than 37 degree 50 sponge... they are just different. One is pored the other is solid. They behave differently and feel different.

You can get 50 sponge in 39 degrees hardness with PF4-50 it's really cheap too. And I don't thing that will feel softer than a 37 deg orange or 80 sponge.
 
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H3 sponges are still the best around, I got my hand on this H8-20 for BH, and it has super control, harder but more power than H8 or H8-80. It feels like a H3 with softer topsheet, blocking, flicking is great

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Normal Hurricane 8 has sponge number 25 I think.
Sponge 65 was white cake sponge for some Tin Arcs, maybe Tin Arc 5?

I don't think the 37 degree orange sponge is harder than 37 degree 50 sponge... they are just different. One is pored the other is solid. They behave differently and feel different.

You can get 50 sponge in 39 degrees hardness with PF4-50 it's really cheap too. And I don't thing that will feel softer than a 37 deg orange or 80 sponge.
Except Tin Arc 5, any other DHS rubber has sponge number 65.

Thank you sir.
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H3 sponges are still the best around, I got my hand on this H8-20 for BH, and it has super control, harder but more power than H8 or H8-80. It feels like a H3 with softer topsheet, blocking, flicking is great

Is the H8-20 still weighing as much as the normal H8 or is more like H3?
 
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Hey! Quick question about Hurricane Wang Chuqin blade. Can anybody confirm that this blade has handle oriented balance?
I am playing Hurricane SYS and it’s definitely head heavy, so I wonder about WCQ blade.
The commercial Wang Chuqin blade does not have a handle-oriented balance. The reason being the wings, which prevent you from holding the blade properly higher up the wings because of which it might feel a little head heavy. The wings are sharp as well. You may have to sand the wings a bit to get the right balance. This is what I did and am happy with the blade and how it plays. It did not have any other manufacturing defect. I purposely did not seal the blade just to get an initial feeling of how it plays. I might do it later once I have to change the rubbers.
 
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Been playing penhold back for a week. TG2 Prov. blue sponge 39 and H3 37 Prov backhand. TG2 is re-boosted with 1 layer of regular Haifu Seamoon.

The setup is quite good, however I don't think that Skyline fits the new ball well...it lack spin a bit, though the ball shoots out a little differently than Hurricane 3, my opponent said it was more flat and quick, less spinny on quick shots.
 

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Been playing penhold back for a week. TG2 Prov. blue sponge 39 and H3 37 Prov backhand. TG2 is re-boosted with 1 layer of regular Haifu Seamoon.

The setup is quite good, however I don't think that Skyline fits the new ball well...it lack spin a bit, though the ball shoots out a little differently than Hurricane 3, my opponent said it was more flat and quick, less spinny on quick shots.
You weren't playing pen-hold before were you? Howcome the change - seems like natural for you
 
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You weren't playing pen-hold before were you? Howcome the change - seems like natural for you
I was experimenting for month or two.

I have a student who uses penhold, so I need to grasp the feeling myself (fingers pressure timing, equipment, tactics, etc.). Actually the basics are the same as shakehand grip: stance, lower body movement, footwork.

Also, I admire the footwork and feeling of penholders (Xu Xin, Ma Lin, Fan Shenpeng) and sometimes just need something new in my life :)

I still wonder whether I should try H3 BS for forehand or stay with TG2.
 
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two weeks ago i put a 39degree 2.20mm H3N BS on my forehand. boosted twice and two layers of DHS15 glue. I can make some pretty good shots but its HARD to engage the rubber fully. definitely had to swing faster.

Over the weekend, I threw a brand new H3N BS 40 degree 2.15 BS boosted twice with two layers of DHS15 glue and its definitely a lot easier to play with, even with the sponge it self being harder. Maybe its quality control but i was surprised at the effect the sponge thickness had on the playing properties.
 
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The commercial Wang Chuqin blade does not have a handle-oriented balance. The reason being the wings, which prevent you from holding the blade properly higher up the wings because of which it might feel a little head heavy. The wings are sharp as well. You may have to sand the wings a bit to get the right balance. This is what I did and am happy with the blade and how it plays. It did not have any other manufacturing defect. I purposely did not seal the blade just to get an initial feeling of how it plays. I might do it later once I have to change the rubbers.
Thanks! Did you try SYS to compare to WCQ (commercial)? Are they similar head heavy or WCQ more to the middle?
 
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So, I've been using National H3N BS 41° for the past 1.5 years on my FH. It has completely cured my EJ when it comes to FH rubbers. Problem is, the vendors in my country sell the BS versions for absurdly high prices, almost twice as much as the OS version ($70 for Prov, which I find utterly ridiculous). That's why I recently got a Provincial OS sheet in 40° and boosted it with 2 layers of Seamoon to see if it can work as a viable replacement on my TMXi Pro.

To my immense disappointment, I don't think it quite does it for me. For one, this sheet is barely tacky, and can't really lift the ball in the air. My beat-up National H3N BS sheet with 9 months of use has much more tack, and so does my red Provincial sheet of 38° H3N OS after 6 months. The orange sponge itself seems to have less dwell as well. My game relies heavily on pivoting frequently and loop-killing backspin balls no matter how low and spinny they might be. And this is precisely what the blue sponge H3 excels at, significantly more so than this sheet. This is the first time in a long while that I seem to struggle with hitting through backspin, and I'm nowhere as comfortable as I usually am against choppers. I can still get the same kind of low-trajectory loop-kills once in a while, but not as reliably as I could with blue sponge. Sometimes it's so unexpected that I don't even understand what exactly I did wrong that made the ball go long.

It also feels somewhat worse than the blue sponge version for flat hits, but that I can manage. For most shots, it essentially feels like playing with the same rubber that I'm used to. The reduction in my ability to aggressively attack against heavy backspin and balls inside the table, however, I find a total deal-breaker. The caveat is that it has only been 2 sessions, so it might get slightly better as it breaks in and I get more used to it. I'm not counting on it though.
 
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So, I've been using National H3N BS 41° for the past 1.5 years on my FH. It has completely cured my EJ when it comes to FH rubbers. Problem is, the vendors in my country sell the BS versions for absurdly high prices, almost twice as much as the OS version ($70 for Prov, which I find utterly ridiculous). That's why I recently got a Provincial OS sheet in 40° and boosted it with 2 layers of Seamoon to see if it can work as a viable replacement on my TMXi Pro.

To my immense disappointment, I don't think it quite does it for me. For one, this sheet is barely tacky, and can't really lift the ball in the air. My beat-up National H3N BS sheet with 9 months of use has much more tack, and so does my red Provincial sheet of 38° H3N OS after 6 months. The orange sponge itself seems to have less dwell as well. My game relies heavily on pivoting frequently and loop-killing backspin balls no matter how low and spinny they might be. And this is precisely what the blue sponge H3 excels at, significantly more so than this sheet. This is the first time in a long while that I seem to struggle with hitting through backspin, and I'm nowhere as comfortable as I usually am against choppers. I can still get the same kind of low-trajectory loop-kills once in a while, but not as reliably as I could with blue sponge. Sometimes it's so unexpected that I don't even understand what exactly I did wrong that made the ball go long.

It also feels somewhat worse than the blue sponge version for flat hits, but that I can manage. For most shots, it essentially feels like playing with the same rubber that I'm used to. The reduction in my ability to aggressively attack against heavy backspin and balls inside the table, however, I find a total deal-breaker. The caveat is that it has only been 2 sessions, so it might get slightly better as it breaks in and I get more used to it. I'm not counting on it though.
Quick answer, as I’m still at the club. I’m from Germany. Since years I buy at 247tabletennis. He’s from Hongkong. H3 provincial blue sponge - $45.
 
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Quick answer, as I’m still at the club. I’m from Germany. Since years I buy at 247tabletennis. He’s from Hongkong. H3 provincial blue sponge - $45.
Well, yes, of course. :) That's the standard international price, even on TableTennis11 after the 30% volume discount. I would be able to get the Prov. BS for ~$35 on AliExpress, except that I happen to be from a country with an economy hobbled by US Treasury third-party sanctions. That effectively means no access to international banking or shipping, so my options are extremely limited.
 
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