dignics 09c vs dignics 05

[ripctt2]

coming from boosted h3, 09c is the logical choice between D09c/05, in my opinion

What if it were unboosted? Like would d09c or d05 be easier to play with and like which is more linear over the othet

 

[NetProphet]

@NetProphet it says high swing speed but im unsure how this compared to my previous setup, or you could say current setup as i havent changed yet, doesnt it have a good catapult effect? So like marginally less force required than hurricane 3?

I don't know what review you are referring to there but both do need a high swing speed to get the most out of them. D09c more so, that really is a waste of money if you don't play it aggressively / actively!

D05, I think he said he was on the limit of swing speed for it to be useful for him and he's an athletic player. The Dignics 05 sponge is hard but the 09c sponge is harder, by 4 degrees I think, so this makes 09c easier to use in the short game.
09c has less catapult than 05 for sure.
The D05 sponge is the same as D80 with a faster top sheet from the pimples arrangement.
All of this technical nonsense for me to say, if you find it hard to loop with H3 then D09c may not be the answer.
Glayzer 09c could be an option?

Also i did initally also consider d80 both sides. How do you think that would compare?

I am currently experimenting and flipping my racket to use the D80 on FH and 09c on BH. Conclusion is 09c is too hard for my BH and while BH flip, chiquita, serves and full blooded loop shots V backspin are great with it, I'm just not good enough to generate enough power on most of my BH shots with the 09c. It's too hard. I love the D80 on my BH.
Blocking, drives, looping and push game I find all great with it.

D80 is great on FH also and I am considering it for my FH next.
But I'm also considering Glayzer 09c, which is D09c top sheet with softer sponge. There's something about the counter loop ability of D09c that's addictive but I think it's a bit too hard for my technique and power levels.

For you I'd say buy a sheet of D80 first and use it with your Rakza Z on the other side.
There's a high probability that you'll like D80 for one side so it's a low risk purchase. Select your next rubber after deciding if D80 works best on your FH or BH.

I play with an Innerforce ALC blade.

 

[NetProphet]

coming from boosted h3, 09c is the logical choice between D09c/05, in my opinion

He played H3 unboosted

 

[TampaBayTableTennis]

What if it were unboosted? Like would d09c or d05 be easier to play with and like which is more linear over the othet

sorry, thought you said you played boosted and unboosted... either way 09c is more similar since its a hybrid rubber meant to mimic a boosted h3. whether its best or better than 05 for you is hard to say but i believe its a rubber worth trying.

 

[ripctt2]

I don't know what review you are referring to there but both do need a high swing speed to get the most out of them. D09c more so, that really is a waste of money if you don't play it aggressively / actively!

D05, I think he said he was on the limit of swing speed for it to be useful for him and he's an athletic player. The Dignics 05 sponge is hard but the 09c sponge is harder, by 4 degrees I think, so this makes 09c easier to use in the short game.
09c has less catapult than 05 for sure.
The D05 sponge is the same as D80 with a faster top sheet from the pimples arrangement.
All of this technical nonsense for me to say, if you find it hard to loop with H3 then D09c may not be the answer.
Glayzer 09c could be an option?


I am currently experimenting and flipping my racket to use the D80 on FH and 09c on BH. Conclusion is 09c is too hard for my BH and while BH flip, chiquita, serves and full blooded loop shots V backspin are great with it, I'm just not good enough to generate enough power on most of my BH shots with the 09c. It's too hard. I love the D80 on my BH.
Blocking, drives, looping and push game I find all great with it.

D80 is great on FH also and I am considering it for my FH next.
But I'm also considering Glayzer 09c, which is D09c top sheet with softer sponge. There's something about the counter loop ability of D09c that's addictive but I think it's a bit too hard for my technique and power levels.

For you I'd say buy a sheet of D80 first and use it with your Rakza Z on the other side.
There's a high probability that you'll like D80 for one side so it's a low risk purchase. Select your next rubber after deciding if D80 works best on your FH or BH.

I play with an Innerforce ALC blade.

Would you think d80 both sides is a good combo? Also i tried my friend's xiom vega asia today and it felt ok. but like wasnt anything like super like 'wow' to me. It had good feelings tho.

 

[MORTtheORT]

If you can use the H3 correctly then go the 09C. I went from the Neo H3 blue sponge to the 09C and liked it. Basically just faster but still needs the H3 swing action. Pushing is different but you will adapt as the 09C is only lightly tacky but lots of grip.

 

[ripctt2]

If you can use the H3 correctly then go the 09C. I went from the Neo H3 blue sponge to the 09C and liked it. Basically just faster but still needs the H3 swing action. Pushing is different but you will adapt as the 09C is only lightly tacky but lots of grip.

Oh ok, how do you trhink it would compare to commercial like not neo but not national like the commerical not neo or boosted version? Comparing with d09c + d05? Also would you think d80 both sides is a good option? I read some reviews online and they said that xiom vega asia isnt very forgiving and i tried it and i felt it was fine. is dignics less forgiving than xiom vega asia or more forgiving?

 

[sebi]

I don't know what review you are referring to there but both do need a high swing speed to get the most out of them. D09c more so, that really is a waste of money if you don't play it aggressively / actively!

D05, I think he said he was on the limit of swing speed for it to be useful for him and he's an athletic player. The Dignics 05 sponge is hard but the 09c sponge is harder, by 4 degrees I think, so this makes 09c easier to use in the short game.
09c has less catapult than 05 for sure.
The D05 sponge is the same as D80 with a faster top sheet from the pimples arrangement.
All of this technical nonsense for me to say, if you find it hard to loop with H3 then D09c may not be the answer.
Glayzer 09c could be an option?


I am currently experimenting and flipping my racket to use the D80 on FH and 09c on BH. Conclusion is 09c is too hard for my BH and while BH flip, chiquita, serves and full blooded loop shots V backspin are great with it, I'm just not good enough to generate enough power on most of my BH shots with the 09c. It's too hard. I love the D80 on my BH.
Blocking, drives, looping and push game I find all great with it.

D80 is great on FH also and I am considering it for my FH next.
But I'm also considering Glayzer 09c, which is D09c top sheet with softer sponge. There's something about the counter loop ability of D09c that's addictive but I think it's a bit too hard for my technique and power levels.

For you I'd say buy a sheet of D80 first and use it with your Rakza Z on the other side.
There's a high probability that you'll like D80 for one side so it's a low risk purchase. Select your next rubber after deciding if D80 works best on your FH or BH.

I play with an Innerforce ALC blade.

I am not sure G09c has the same top sheet as D09c. They have the same pimples strukture but in my opinion not the same material.

Still G09c is way easiert to play then D09c.
D09c is only a good rubber if you want to attack pretty much everything or at least go aktiv against every ball. Being passiv is not really an option.
D09c is a rubber for advanced players. You need good technique and a lot of body and legs to activate it.

 

[NextLevel]

Oh ok, how do you trhink it would compare to commercial like not neo but not national like the commerical not neo or boosted version? Comparing with d09c + d05? Also would you think d80 both sides is a good option? I read some reviews online and they said that xiom vega asia isnt very forgiving and i tried it and i felt it was fine. is dignics less forgiving than xiom vega asia or more forgiving?

You are beginning to enter the realm of questions that cannot be answered by words. In a sport like TT, there is no substitute for experimentation. You almost could like a troll trying to ask all kinds of questions just to be annoying.

In table tennis, there are no magic answers, you pick equipment that fits your style and then evolve your play to use it. Evolving your play to use it optimally is the magic ingredient once the equipment is in a certain range. I use D80 on both sides, I saw someone who did, liked his game and tried it and it worked for me after a lot of work to adapt. Even pros sometimes play with things they say don't suit their game originally. Some people may forget that afer using 09c for a while, Timo switched blade to get more power (copying Groth), then went back to his original blade, and then went to 05 Dignics.

Trying to answer these questions using internet forums is the biggest nonsense ever but unfortunately some people think it is wisdom to take advice from people you have never seen play.

 

[MORTtheORT]

Oh ok, how do you trhink it would compare to commercial like not neo but not national like the commerical not neo or boosted version? Comparing with d09c + d05? Also would you think d80 both sides is a good option? I read some reviews online and they said that xiom vega asia isnt very forgiving and i tried it and i felt it was fine. is dignics less forgiving than xiom vega asia or more forgiving?

The 09C is a closer match to the non Neo H3 then the D05 but I think the D05 is a bit less physically demanding. The D05 is bouncy which can be frustrating coming from a hurricane 3 of any type. In saying that, IMO it is far easier to go from the a sticky rubber to a catapult style rubber then the reverse so no reason not to try it and see what you think. The catapult effect will make the ball spring off your rubber, particularly with the short game etc. For me the 09C is a lot faster then the H3 but easier to control then the bouncy rubbers. Problem one of the main things to think about is your bat speed. Since the 09C has a very hard sponge, you do need a high bat speed. The D05 doesn't need as much. So I guess it comes down to how you want to play.

Oh ok, how do you trhink it would compare to commercial like not neo but not national like the commerical not neo or boosted version? Comparing with d09c + d05? Also would you think d80 both sides is a good option? I read some reviews online and they said that xiom vega asia isnt very forgiving and i tried it and i felt it was fine. is dignics less forgiving th

Oh ok, how do you trhink it would compare to commercial like not neo but not national like the commerical not neo or boosted version? Comparing with d09c + d05? Also would you think d80 both sides is a good option? I read some reviews online and they said that xiom vega asia isnt very forgiving and i tried it and i felt it was fine. is dignics less forgiving than xiom vega asia or more forgiving?

The 09 is definitely more comparable with the H3 as it is butterfly version of a proper boosted H3. I think it is important to understand that looping with a non boosted H3 is a nightmare for most of as mere mortals. Very physically demanding. Even the Neo H3 is still physically demanding. The 09C is a lot easier to use and very easy for open ups etc. But to be honest, you can't go wrong with either the 09C or the D05 if you are at that level. Both good rubbers just different style. The D05 has a catapult effect which is very different from the H3. I have never used the D80 but I understand it is very fast. I personally have been using the 09C on both sides, love it on my FH, but found it too demanding on my BH in a game situation and I am not good enough to generate enough power out of my BH away from table. But no problems with it close, mid or far with the FH. For me the D05 is a backhand rubber. Another rubber worth doing some research on is the Fastarc G1. If you are still working on technique and need some confidence building to get your shots going, it is a good option. Very forgiving, fast enough, medium hard so easier to activate the sponge and not all that spin sensitive. Generally viewed as a rubber that helps you play your shots with confidence.

 

[Angerer]

I am playing with Dignics09C on FH and Dignics05 on BH. but of course, also tried vice-versa. Dignics05 is faster and way bouncier than Dignics09C, but D09c has more gears, mostly because it is not as bouncy and you can play nice and easy, slowly. you can with D05, too, of course, but more care is needed. control wise, the D09c has more. spin wise, both are monsters. dwell wise - 05 has way more, so much so, that I find it actually disturbing, at least on BH. feel wise - both are nice, you have a good sense of what is going on during the stroke.

but mostly because of bounciness and extreme dwell (maybe blade has something to do with it, too), this is why I am switching (they just called me yesterday from the club that my D09c came) to D09c on both sides now.

Same about extreme dwell of Dignics 05, it's why I can't use it on BH. Sometimes I want to punch through the ball, but D05 grabs the ball for too long and spins it, losing the momentum
On FH it's a blessing for me, I have all the time in the world to have a pause and direct a fast spinny attack to whatever place.

Regarding the topic, I find D09C too hard and physically demanding for a dominant, aggressive style. I came from the chinese rubbers like Jupiter, Big Dipper and Hurricane 3Neo, but I still can't produce solid spin via D09C for some reason. Meanwhile, D05 spins like crazy via short brushing strokes.

 

[MORTtheORT]

Same about extreme dwell of Dignics 05, it's why I can't use it on BH. Sometimes I want to punch through the ball, but D05 grabs the ball for too long and spins it, losing the momentum
On FH it's a blessing for me, I have all the time in the world to have a pause and direct a fast spinny attack to whatever place.

Regarding the topic, I find D09C too hard and physically demanding for a dominant, aggressive style. I came from the chinese rubbers like Jupiter, Big Dipper and Hurricane 3Neo, but I still can't produce solid spin via D09C for some reason. Meanwhile, D05 spins like crazy via short brushing strokes.

You raise an important point about the 09C which when making a decision on it you need to be aware about. It has a soft top sheet but a hard sponge. So you need high blade speed when playing your shots to activate the sponge. If you don't have this then it is a difficult rubber to use as the shot quality drops off if you don't activate the sponge. It is near impossible for us normally people to generate the required blade speed if you have a short swing. You need a good back swing with these types of rubbers to get the required blade speed to actually utilise the rubber and sponge. If you want or are using a short compact swing then you will want a rubber with a catapult effect. I had a hit with the Glazyer 09C. Has the exact same top sheet as the D09C but a softer sponge. Way easier to activate the sponge needing far less blade speed.

 

[NetProphet]

Would you think d80 both sides is a good combo? Also i tried my friend's xiom vega asia today and it felt ok. but like wasnt anything like super like 'wow' to me. It had good feelings tho.

For me, personally, I think that D80 both sides would be a good combination. Like if someone handed me my racket with two D80s on it and said I had to play the season like that it wouldn't bother me in the slightest, I reckon it would take 6-8 weeks to make the change over.
But it's never easy to say for others.....
You need something that compliments your game and makes your game as easy as possible for you so there's your game and there's your level.
Only you know what your game is, attacking, controlling, blocking, chopping, all round etc.
After that there's what you can control on a FZD ALC. I've seen good players struggle with D09c and D05 on a FZD ALC so...... I'm reluctant to say.
As I said already I think buying one D80 and using it for a month with your Rakza Z on the other side is the best to go. Try it out on FH and BH and see what you think.
Another think to know is switching to a rubber like this isn't going to elevate your game any. It's just a good tool for you to learn to use. If someone told me I had to go back to my old setup of Rakza 7 and Rakza Z it would be fine, honestly. There is so much top ceiling in Dignics sponge that it really is difficult to bring out the advantages it can offer and it's not great for playing passively so if you can't control the rubber enough to go for it consistently then Dignics likely won't work for you.
I do attack and go for it, so I like it, especially the D80 on BH. But an equal plus for me is the longevity of the rubbers, I'll get 18 mths from them before changing so I find them good value for that reason.

 

[NetProphet]

I am not sure G09c has the same top sheet as D09c. They have the same pimples strukture but in my opinion not the same material.

Still G09c is way easiert to play then D09c.
D09c is only a good rubber if you want to attack pretty much everything or at least go aktiv against every ball. Being passiv is not really an option.
D09c is a rubber for advanced players. You need good technique and a lot of body and legs to activate it.

I'm sure I read on the Butterfly website that G09c was the same top sheet but different (grey) sponge. Worth double checking for anyone in case I'm wrong but that's my recollection anyway

 

[kapahoo]

I'm sure I read on the Butterfly website that G09c was the same top sheet but different (grey) sponge. Worth double checking for anyone in case I'm wrong but that's my recollection anyway

I believe they said "same technology" or something like that.

 

[ripctt2]

The 09C is a closer match to the non Neo H3 then the D05 but I think the D05 is a bit less physically demanding. The D05 is bouncy which can be frustrating coming from a hurricane 3 of any type. In saying that, IMO it is far easier to go from the a sticky rubber to a catapult style rubber then the reverse so no reason not to try it and see what you think. The catapult effect will make the ball spring off your rubber, particularly with the short game etc. For me the 09C is a lot faster then the H3 but easier to control then the bouncy rubbers. Problem one of the main things to think about is your bat speed. Since the 09C has a very hard sponge, you do need a high bat speed. The D05 doesn't need as much. So I guess it comes down to how you want to play.



The 09 is definitely more comparable with the H3 as it is butterfly version of a proper boosted H3. I think it is important to understand that looping with a non boosted H3 is a nightmare for most of as mere mortals. Very physically demanding. Even the Neo H3 is still physically demanding. The 09C is a lot easier to use and very easy for open ups etc. But to be honest, you can't go wrong with either the 09C or the D05 if you are at that level. Both good rubbers just different style. The D05 has a catapult effect which is very different from the H3. I have never used the D80 but I understand it is very fast. I personally have been using the 09C on both sides, love it on my FH, but found it too demanding on my BH in a game situation and I am not good enough to generate enough power out of my BH away from table. But no problems with it close, mid or far with the FH. For me the D05 is a backhand rubber. Another rubber worth doing some research on is the Fastarc G1. If you are still working on technique and need some confidence building to get your shots going, it is a good option. Very forgiving, fast enough, medium hard so easier to activate the sponge and not all that spin sensitive. Generally viewed as a rubber that helps you play your shots with confidence.

Thanks thats very helpful. I was eventually able to loop with hurricane 3 but like it was still hard and most of the time, dumpib them into the net. Between dignics 05, 09c and 80 (also i play aggresive maybe some passive blocks here and there), which would loop like easy, but not like super high and easy to block but isnt like going to dump into the net? Ive heard that 09c is demanding but it has super high arc and from posts here (all of which were very helpful so ty guys) but d05 has more catapult so im not sure whether looping will go out of the table if you loop too hard.

 

[Angerer]

Between dignics 05, 09c and 80 (also i play aggresive maybe some passive blocks here and there), which would loop like easy, but not like super high and easy to block but isnt like going to dump into the net?

I think, Dignics 80 is the perfect choice. It's much easier to attack and it's excellent for blocking. It's a less spinny rubber, so it also reacts less to incoming spin.
The blocks are fast, controlled, with a deep relatively low arc that is uncomfortable for opponents. And it's not too low to the point where it would harm you (imo, D64, MX-P or Hammond Z2 are too low).

D80 is of course less powerful or spinny/arcy than D05 or D09C, especially away from the table, but it's very comfortable to play with.

 

[ripctt2]

I think, Dignics 80 is the perfect choice. It's much easier to attack and it's excellent for blocking. It's a less spinny rubber, so it also reacts less to incoming spin.
The blocks are fast, controlled, with a deep relatively low arc that is uncomfortable for opponents. And it's not too low to the point where it would harm you (imo, D64, MX-P or Hammond Z2 are too low).

D80 is of course less powerful or spinny/arcy than D05 or D09C, especially away from the table, but it's very comfortable to play with.

Oh thanks. I also tried my friend's dignics 09c and it felt like an improved hurricane 3 basically. I'm unsure whether it's good for the short game bnut itr worked for me. How does dignics 05 compare to dignics 09c? Similar feeling or completley different? Also ive never tried dignics 80 but its characteristics suit my backhand. Im just not sure for fh becauser I tried d09c felt great, but it felt somewhat like 'weird' in a sense and i was using very old d09c, so im not sure how d05 and d80 compare in feeling and arc. Also out of d05 and d09c, is there a big differnce in arc?

 

[NetProphet]

I think, Dignics 80 is the perfect choice. It's much easier to attack and it's excellent for blocking. It's a less spinny rubber, so it also reacts less to incoming spin.
The blocks are fast, controlled, with a deep relatively low arc that is uncomfortable for opponents. And it's not too low to the point where it would harm you (imo, D64, MX-P or Hammond Z2 are too low).

D80 is of course less powerful or spinny/arcy than D05 or D09C, especially away from the table, but it's very comfortable to play with.

I wonder where 09c features on this chart, would be interesting to see where Butterfly have it fitting in...

 

[ripctt2]

I did some more research and i found that dignics 09c is obviously a lot mroe similar to hurricane 3 (even if unboostewd) than 05. SO i was wondering whjether 09c fh + 05 bh + fzd alc is good?