dignics 09c vs dignics 05

[NetProphet]

I did some more research and i found that dignics 09c is obviously a lot mroe similar to hurricane 3 (even if unboostewd) than 05. SO i was wondering whjether 09c fh + 05 bh + fzd alc is good?

This is exactly the racket a clubmate of mine struggled with and eventually gave up on, and he is a good player. I'd say he's appx 1500-1550TTR on German ranking.
Anyway, it will seriously depend on your fundamentals and technique because if you don't have them very well nailed then this racket could be very difficult.
The swing speed required to use 09c in it's sweet spot is considerable and while this blade compliments the rubber I reckon it only helps in that regard once you're of a certain level.
I'm assuming you'll be playing competitions and competitive league matches btw.
If you won't do this and it's just for rallying at the the club then go for it!
If result depend on it then:
what is your level, how is your footwork, how is your technique, how fit are you, how attacking is your game, how aggressive are you. Honest answers to these will determine if you can really use a racket this fast when under pressure without reducing the quality of ball you put on the table.
Answer honestly or get a coach to answer for you?

My clubmate now uses a Donic Senso with Rakza 7 and Rakza XX.

 

[ripctt2]

This is exactly the racket a clubmate of mine struggled with and eventually gave up on, and he isbangiodb player. I'd say he's appx 1500-1550TTR on German ranking.
Anyway, it will seriously depend on your fundamentals and technique because if you don't have them very well nailed then this racket could be very difficult.
The swing speed required to use 09c in it's sweet spot is considerable and while this blade compliments the rubber I reckon it only helps in that regard once you're of a certain level.
I'm assuming you'll be playing competitions and competitive league matches btw.
If you won't do this and it's just for rallying at the the club then go for it!
If result depend on it then:
what is your level, how is your footwork, how is your technique, how fit are you, how attacking is your game, how aggressive are you. Honest answers to these will determine if you can really use a racket this fast when under pressure without reducing the quality of ball you put on the table.
Answer honestly or get a coach to answer for you?

My clubmate now uses a Donic Senso with Rakza 7 and Rakza XX.

Yeah i will be playing comp. SO like i also considered d05 both sides and read that it is more forgiving if you are slightly out of palce or your timing is a bit off time. Also i managed to find control with unboosted hurricane 3 so im not too worried with swing speed. Ive just enver tried d05 ore d80 so im unsure. so like my two top consdierations are d05 both sdiesw or d05 and d80.

 

[NetProphet]

Yeah i will be playing comp. SO like i also considered d05 both sides and read that it is more forgiving if you are slightly out of palce or your timing is a bit off time. Also i managed to find control with unboosted hurricane 3 so im not too worried with swing speed. Ive just enver tried d05 ore d80 so im unsure. so like my two top consdierations are d05 both sdiesw or d05 and d80.

The issue with 09c is the sponge is so hard that real spin is difficult. By real spin I mean reall achieving a level of spin that is possible from the rubber because you have to hit that much harder to engage the sponge.
If you want tacky like H3 I would say try Glayzer 09c, it's just D09c with softer sponge at almost half the price. I love D80 but can't comment on how different it is to D05. I think on a FZD ALC the D80 is possibly a safer bet.
Good luck whatever you decide 👍

 

[Angerer]

Oh thanks. I also tried my friend's dignics 09c and it felt like an improved hurricane 3 basically. I'm unsure whether it's good for the short game bnut itr worked for me. How does dignics 05 compare to dignics 09c? Similar feeling or completley different? Also ive never tried dignics 80 but its characteristics suit my backhand. Im just not sure for fh becauser I tried d09c felt great, but it felt somewhat like 'weird' in a sense and i was using very old d09c, so im not sure how d05 and d80 compare in feeling and arc. Also out of d05 and d09c, is there a big differnce in arc?

I would say, their arcs are very different - D09C has a high arc, and D05 has medium to medium-high arc.
And they play different - D09C is hard and is slow with improper technique, but fast and spinny if executed properly. D05 is lively, but you still need some arm/wrist swing to generate speed and spin, plus it's more sensitive to incoming spin. I would still recommend D80 for backhand, as D05 dwell time can be too long and it's more demanding for "being prepared" for the shot and playing aggressively.

 

[ripctt2]

I would say, their arcs are very different - D09C has a high arc, and D05 has medium to medium-high arc.
And they play different - D09C is hard and is slow with improper technique, but fast and spinny if executed properly. D05 is lively, but you still need some arm/wrist swing to generate speed and spin, plus it's more sensitive to incoming spin. I would still recommend D80 for backhand, as D05 dwell time can be too long and it's more demanding for "being prepared" for the shot and playing aggressively.

So would you recommend,. d09c or d0? to be more consistent in fh and bh? as long as loop isnt like super hard to do against hewavy backspin.

 

[sebi]

So would you recommend,. d09c or d0? to be more consistent in fh and bh? as long as loop isnt like super hard to do against hewavy backspin.

Ease of use: D80 > D05 > D09c.
Ease of Spin creation: D80>D05>D09c.
Max Spin: D09c > D05 >D80

I think the most consistency you will get with D80 its the easiest to use and still has a lot of Spin. But it's closer to T05, maybe a better T05 even for the new Ball,
D09c is the closest to H3 boosted, but the hardest to use.
I my opinion you can get the most consistency with the easiert to use rubber which is D80 and D80 is a beast. Most people over look it until they try it.

 

[NextLevel]

Hardness to use: D80 > D05 > D09c.
Ease of Spin creation: D80>D05>D09c.
Max Spin: D09c > D05 >D80

I think the most consistency you will get with D80 its the easiest to use and still has a lot of Spin. But it's closer to T05, maybe a better T05 even for the new Ball,
D09c is the closest to H3 boosted, but the hardest to use.
I my opinion you can get the most consistency with the easiert to use rubber which is D80 and D80 is a beast. Most people over look it until they try it.

Your inequality signs on hardness to use might be confusing since you are trying to say that D80 is the easiest to use so you should probably have called that Ease of Use.

I don't think D80 is a Tenergy 05 for the new ball, that is probably and debatably Tenergy 19. But I will say that D80 supports all round offensive play in a way that many Dignics 05 users would broadly appreciate more if they weren't as enamored with the professional affinity for 05s (probably a legacy from T05 and because D05 came out first).

 

[blahness]

Dont just think about looping. With short Serve receive with D05 on FH, you have to switch mindsets to flick or sideswipe a lot since the push sucks due to its bounciness. Whereas 09c is really good with short pushes (as well as the other receives).

The other thing for loops, with D05 you should use shorter swing loops since it is already so fast, and this should really boost your general rallying speed. But in terms of opening loop spin quality it is not as deceptive as D09c. D09c opening loops can look "normal" but has a huge ton of spin which people tend to underestimate.

So it really depends what game you wanna play. With D05 I'm usually less concerned about 1st loop or receive quality, the key is to stay in balance, force a topspin rally and then dominate it. A bit like how Harimoto plays tbh.

With D09c you would play a much more serve/receive control + high quality 1st loop kinda game on the FH.

 

[ripctt2]

Ease of use: D80 > D05 > D09c.
Ease of Spin creation: D80>D05>D09c.
Max Spin: D09c > D05 >D80

I think the most consistency you will get with D80 its the easiest to use and still has a lot of Spin. But it's closer to T05, maybe a better T05 even for the new Ball,
D09c is the closest to H3 boosted, but the hardest to use.
I my opinion you can get the most consistency with the easiert to use rubber which is D80 and D80 is a beast. Most people over look it until they try it.

SO to be safe, since ive enevr tried either rubber, i should go for d80 both sides? Im just not sure whther it'll be too fast but then ill have to adapt either way... ALso when i used to plauy with unboosted h3, i eiother kept dumping into the net or overshooting. AFter a bit of use, ti feels a lot easier to use but still not as easy to use as other rubbers. Im not sure whether for d80, ill like overshoot since its faster and has a lower throwe angle than d05 .

 

[steve888]

Just an update , I got a second hand D80 compared to D 05. The D80 feels softer more catapult, faster, easier to spin, lower throw. Love the feel and on the right blade would be fantastic. The D 05 feels safer and more direct feel - the D80 is easier to overshoot the table and its bouncy - but wow does it fly. A friend has it on his Hadraw 5 and it works like magic - perfect match for slower blade, but on the outer carbon it would probably be to fast for me.

I took the D09c off as I find it to hard to drive, the D05 is a nice balance for me just wished it wasn't as bouncy on the shorter game - touch shots but a good balance overall. I use the D05 (1.9) on an innerforce blade as it engages carbon easier as well as easy to control overall. A friend uses 1.9 and 2.1 D05 on his harimoto, he tried the D09c too and also said he finds it to hard to engage the harder rubber (09c).

 

[ripctt2]

Just an update , I got a second hand D80 compared to D 05. The D80 feels softer more catapult, faster, easier to spin, lower throw. Love the feel and on the right blade would be fantastic. The D 05 feels safer and more direct feel - the D80 is easier to overshoot the table and its bouncy - but wow does it fly. A friend has it on his Hadraw 5 and it works like magic - perfect match for slower blade, but on the outer carbon it would probably be to fast for me.

I took the D09c off as I find it to hard to drive, the D05 is a nice balance for me just wished it wasn't as bouncy on the shorter game - touch shots but a good balance overall. I use the D05 (1.9) on an innerforce blade as it engages carbon easier as well as easy to control overall. A friend uses 1.9 and 2.1 D05 on his harimoto, he tried the D09c too and also said he finds it to hard to engage the harder rubber (09c).

Do you think d05 fh + d80 bh on the fzd alc is a safe option? My backhand is significantly weaker than my fh so i was thinking d80 is faster so its easier to hit the shots. and fh i will have mroe cintrol but yet still loads faster than h3. Why do some ppl say d05 is almost unplayable out of the both without boosting?

 

[steve888]

I recently been trying a FZD, I like the glayzer for the forehand as it has plenty of dwell time and not to fast but can still attack. Sriver on my backhand as I am weak on my backhand. I find fast blade works well with more controlled softer type of rubbers. I think you be flying everywhere and would lack control with D80 on the backhand - but I maybe wrong
That been said a friend uses Timo boll ALC with Razka z on forehand and T64 on backhand - he use slower rubber on FH and fast on BH.

 

[ripctt2]

I recently been trying a FZD, I like the glayzer for the forehand as it has plenty of dwell time and not to fast but can still attack. Sriver on my backhand as I am weak on my backhand. I find fast blade works well with more controlled softer type of rubbers. I think you be flying everywhere and would lack control with D80 on the backhand - but I maybe wrong
That been said a friend uses Timo boll ALC with Razka z on forehand and T64 on backhand - he use slower rubber on FH and fast on BH.

I mean i used to use h3 unboosted + h8 unboosted and found it very difficult tol use but in the end foiund the control and managed to adapt. so i wasnt thinking control was a big issue. I tried someone's d64 and it felt good apart from the fact it was way to fast. I was thinking d80 as bh since its faster than d05 and my bh is weaker. Im just unsure aobut fh, d05 or d80. could consider d09c but i was thinking to stay away from tacky rubbers as they need constant maintennace and they attract oo much dust.

 

[sebi]

G09c is a pretty good option too. I like it if you just want to have fun its softer and easy to drive trough.

 

[ripctt2]

G09c is a pretty good option too. I like it if you just want to have fun its softer and easy to drive trough.

Ahh ok. But im looking for a top tier ofgfensive rubber. I play comps and that stuff. Out of d05 or d80 whic hd oyou choose for fh? I hear d05 somehow is hard to play and is slow unboosted and apparently d09c is faster even tho bty said its faster. So not too sure about that but it does have more cointrol than d80 so i was thinking d05. But i dunno.

 

[sebi]

Ahh ok. But im looking for a top tier ofgfensive rubber. I play comps and that stuff. Out of d05 or d80 whic hd oyou choose for fh? I hear d05 somehow is hard to play and is slow unboosted and apparently d09c is faster even tho bty said its faster. So not too sure about that but it does have more cointrol than d80 so i was thinking d05. But i dunno.

Just because you play competetive doesn't mean glycer is not a rubber for you.
A high end rubber is not needed.

What is your lvl and how is your technique.

A rubber should not be chosen because its the most expensive/high end rubber a company offers.

 

[sebi]

Ahh ok. But im looking for a top tier ofgfensive rubber. I play comps and that stuff. Out of d05 or d80 whic hd oyou choose for fh? I hear d05 somehow is hard to play and is slow unboosted and apparently d09c is faster even tho bty said its faster. So not too sure about that but it does have more cointrol than d80 so i was thinking d05. But i dunno.

If you can't read serves i dont think your lvl is high enough for any Dignics rubber.
Maybe try glaycer it's a really capable rubber

 

[Tyce]

Just because you play competetive doesn't mean glycer is not a rubber for you.
A high end rubber is not needed.

What is your lvl and how is your technique.

A rubber should not be chosen because its the most expensive/high end rubber a company offers.

He's not going to answer. He's convinced he needs these rubbers whether it's for bragging rights or some magical belief.

 

[sebi]

He's not going to answer. He's convinced he needs these rubbers whether it's for bragging rights or some magical belief.

another beginner lost to the marketing of butterfly

 

[ripctt2]

He's not going to answer. He's convinced he needs these rubbers whether it's for bragging rights or some magical belief.

Maybe its because some people don't live in the same timezone as you?? and maybe are sleeping?

Just because you play competetive doesn't mean glycer is not a rubber for you.
A high end rubber is not needed.

What is your lvl and how is your technique.

A rubber should not be chosen because its the most expensive/high end rubber a company offers.

I can consider glayzer. Like 09c or just normal? Which has more spin and is more like consistent? As long as i can hit powerful shots consistently im fine + good spin. It doesn't necessarily hav to be the easiest generation of spin. I have the power for speed and spin so im not really worried about how hard the rubber is to use.