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Certainly not gonna be easy, to the point that I'm not sure he can really do it. Also, you can't just play more forehands, you need the footwork to do it. He really needs to improve both significantly to take a step forward.
Its a process. The biggest things are 1) the anticipation to predict that the ball will come to a place on the table where the forehand is a good/best option. 2) the footwork and athleticism to make the positioning work. 3) making the shot 4) making it consistently enough for you to he confident it is the best way for you to play.

Often the actual footwork is prioritized but if fitness is a separate topic, it is really 1 and 4 that cause the most issues. But even on video, you can see that when Lin is hit with a ball where thr positioning is ambiguous, he is now religiously playing a forehand. It probably isn't his best option but he is doing it because it will be his best option eventually.

By all means he might be too slow and lack the footwork. But if that is seriously your opinion, lets see how this plays out in a couple of years.
 
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Minus injury and other unpredictable events, it's a safe bet that WCQ will be the next grand slam winner, which means he most likely will be the next Olympic champion couple years down the road.

LSD is strong but he has vulnerability to be explored and most his opponents already know that. WCQ doesn't have the weakness and his challenge is mostly himself and the age.
 
For Lin Shidong, i think changing his playstyle or at least having more variety could benefit him. A more Forehand dominant playstyle with more aggresive footwork and stepping around could help him more. I'm not saying that he should fully make this his playstyle but rather as a backup for when his normal tactics aren't working or at least for a more balanced playstyle

Plus his close to table defense
 
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Well I asked a top coach whether it was fair for players to play three events in seven days. He said that their training generally prepares them for it so it is not as big a deal.as it looks on paper for many of them and that their bodies are highly specialized for it. So I guess it is up to everyone to interpet his answer as they see best.
The coaches answer is correct based on what you asked.
It doesn’t mean they don’t get tired.
You also haven’t factored in fatigue into the equation .
Try playing 3 event, 7 day tournaments x 20 and read the “Battery” levels drop as the tournament count continues …. Need battery replacement to be honest.
 
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The coaches answer is correct based on what you asked.
It doesn’t mean they don’t get tired.
You also haven’t factored in fatigue into the equation .
Try playing 3 event, 7 day tournaments x 20 and read the “Battery” levels drop as the tournament count continues …. Need battery replacement to be honest.
My question was addressing a player playing two matches in one day or 3 matches in two days. So was I wrong to answer the question the way I did? Or I used the coaches answer to respond to a quesrion that did not apply? Or maybe I should be looking at Hugo's life before answering the question.
 
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a lot can happen in 3years. but if the olympics were tomorrow he'd be the n1 favorite by some margin
The young shall grow, the old shall slow. I like Felix's and LSD's chances.
 
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Certainly not gonna be easy, to the point that I'm not sure he can really do it. Also, you can't just play more forehands, you need the footwork to do it. He really needs to improve both significantly to take a step forward.
Hmm, WCQ was still playing kids in prelims of U18 events at, ahem, likely 19 years, 1 month and 12 days old and busy trying to "graduate" from prelims of senior events, when LSD had already won China Smash 2024 and was several months away from becoming WR1.

2017中国太仓青少年公开赛 U18男单小组预赛 中国王楚钦 3-0 韩国LEE Donghyeok
https://www.bilibili.com/video/BV1Fx41167PE?t=38
 
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My question was addressing a player playing two matches in one day or 3 matches in two days. So was I wrong to answer the question the way I did? Or I used the coaches answer to respond to a quesrion that did not apply? Or maybe I should be looking at Hugo's life before answering the question.
However you want to ask or process information, players do get tired.
 
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Wang Chuqin should get a special award for being the guy who saved China’s ass from losing face multiple times. Ever since the World Cup, it was him who won almost all the titles against foreigners he played(except Harimoto) while his fellow Chinese compatriots haven’t risen to the occasion yet.
 
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However you want to ask or process information, players do get tired.
Everyone gets tired. So the statement is meaningless. The point is wherher playing two matches in one day is something to consider when looking at a players performance. Is it okay to say that the final result between Felix and Wang didnt reflect their true levels since WCQ was playing triple crown and played seven games in semis? Why didn't the more tired Wang lose the finals?
 
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WCQ has entered the goat debate (again)
Where at = WTT events, not even WTT era...

WTT era = 2021-
FZD - 1 OG (2024), 2 WTTC (2021, 2023)
ML - 1 WC (2024)
WCQ - 1 WTTC (2025)
Calderano - 1 WC (2025)
 
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that is news to me
they do get tired, in fact, too tired with all these scheduling
That's news to me as well, as you don't seem to get tired of "daily period" whining, as the Tieba users like to put it.

https://www.tabletennisdaily.com/fo...ns-macao-2025-9-14-sep-2025.35827/post-541286
食得鹹魚抵得渴/If you can't stand the heat, get out of the kitchen.

As of now, other than 1 WTT Finals and 4 WTT Champions, the other events are not mandatory.

Your constant nagging makes you sound like those fanboys/fangirls.


公开赛时代比赛看起来一点也不少啊 (The Open Era seemed to have many tournaments)
https://tieba.baidu.com/p/10041865520
林诗栋(补短板中) 现在吐槽比赛多都成了日经贴了。但是去查了19年还是ittf时代的男队参赛记录,也是密密麻麻(贴个图也要被某些人破防删除)。这一年参赛数量: 小胖16站(9公开赛➕1总决赛),许昕15站,骰子15站,林老叔和筐子更是狂刷了18站,就连这一年动手术的马龙都打了12站。
主力基本上都打了10站左右的商业赛,还有三大赛洲际赛零零总总没停过,那时的公开赛还是全程bo7,还有男双混双,比现在深轮次才Bo7,没有双打的冠军赛感觉强度更大啊。表里的还没有列出挑战赛
对比下今年到现在,骰子打了8站,kk9站,筐子7站,算全运会剩下来差不多也就剩4站比赛了,感觉强度还没19年的主力高。
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(Nowadays, complaints about many tournaments have become "daily period threads". But I checked the men's team's participation records from 2019, back during the ITTF era, and they're just as dense (even posting a picture gets deleted by someone who got offended). That year's participation numbers: Little Chubby played 16 tournaments (9 Opens + 1 Grand Finals), Xu Xin 15, Dice 15, and Uncle Lin and [Trash] Bin [LJK] played a whopping 18. Even Ma Long, who had surgery that year, played 12.

The main players generally played around 10 commercial tournaments, plus the three majors and various continental tournaments were non-stop. Back then, the Opens were all best-of-7, plus the men's doubles and mixed doubles. Compared to the best-of-7 in later rounds now of the Champions without doubles events, the old days felt even more intense. The table doesn't even include the Challenger tournaments.

Compared to this year and as of now, Dice has played 8 tournaments, KK 9, and Bin 7. Including the National Games, there are only about 4 tournaments left. It feels like the intensity isn't as high as the main players in 2019.)

贴吧用户_GDQC5yG 主要疫情加wtt新赛制不完善,导致20年到23年比赛相较公开赛时期减少,有很多新粉不熟悉公开赛时期的情况。
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(The main reason is the pandemic and the incomplete new WTT competition system, which led to a decrease in competitions from 2020 to 2023 compared to the Open Era. Many new fans are not familiar with the situation during the Open Era.)
林诗栋(补短板中): 我感觉19年这些人真的累多了,全程bo7还都有双打,比wtt还耗费体力
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(I feel like these guys were way more tired in 2019, bo7 throughout plus the doubles, more physically demanding than WTT)
贴吧用户_GDQC5yG: 回复 林诗栋(补短板中) :以前公开赛的赛程其实可能会更长,那个时候资格赛是好像是除了排名前十六不用参加,其他人都要。18年刘诗雯还要打公开赛
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(In the past, the schedule of an Open might actually be longer. At that time, it seemed that except for the top 16, everyone else had to participate in the qualifying round. In 2018, Liu Shiwen also had to play in the Open [qualifying?])

许多年前你曾是个少年 以前也没强制参赛不参赛扣分吧
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(There were no mandatory participation in the past and that points would be deducted for not participating, right?)
 
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Everyone gets tired. So the statement is meaningless. The point is wherher playing two matches in one day is something to consider when looking at a players performance. Is it okay to say that the final result between Felix and Wang didnt reflect their true levels since WCQ was playing triple crown and played seven games in semis? Why didn't the more tired Wang lose the finals?
nope, you said "top players don't really get tired when playing TT"

it has nothing about who wins or who loose, our discussion is about players does or does not get tired, even when playing TT. Somehow, you already said what you think in the way you made the above statement, and of which I already answers it is is news to me.
its really not necessary to explain so much, you are welcome to think the way you think (which it seems like you have back tracked, but it doesn't really matter, really!)
 
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nope, you said "top players don't really get tired when playing TT"

it has nothing about who wins or who loose, our discussion is about players does or does not get tired, even when playing TT. Somehow, you already said what you think in the way you made the above statement, and of which I already answers it is is news to me.
its really not necessary to explain so much, you are welcome to think the way you think (which it seems like you have back tracked, but it doesn't really matter, really!)
Yes and if anyone who read the prior conversation understood what I was responding to, the ststemrnt was entirely correct. Unfortunately people who just want to argue continue to refuse to accept that coming into a conversation int rhe middle and then pretending that you understand what was being said is just bad form. I explained the whole context and yet you are using your limited understanding of English to continue to argue the context. I wouldn't go around trying to debate the nuances of Chinese with you. Someone was saying Hugo would play worse because of his playing a match and Saturday and potentially two more on Sunday with a physical style. Yet Wang who has an equally physical style and played more matches did fine. Top players don't *really* get tired, really means that their tiredness from playing is not considered material to their performance since they practice a lot of hours to build that stamina already
 
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Yes and if anyone who read the prior conversation understood what I was responding to, the ststemrnt was entirely correct. Unfortunately people who just want to argue continue to refuse to accept that coming into a conversation int rhe middle and then pretending that you understand what was being said is just bad form. I explained the whole context and yet you are using your limited understanding of English to continue to argue the context. I wouldn't go around trying to debate the nuances of Chinese with you. Someone was saying Hugo would play worse because of his playing a match and Saturday and potentially two more on Sunday with a physical style. Yet Wang who has an equally physical style and played more matches did fine. Top players don't *really* get tired, really means that their tiredness from playing is not considered material to their performance since they practice a lot of hours to build that stamina already
everyone gets tired
everyone saves energy to peak at different times
everyone recovery time is different.
everyone carries different niggles.
the variety is just so great, but no matter what your coach friend told you, they do get tired.

unless you have deal or dealt with pro players, please stop acting like you know it all
not sure why you keep wanting to type so much, you becoming like zeio :p
 
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everyone gets tired
everyone saves energy to peak
everyone recovery time is different.

unless you have deal or dealt with pro players, please stop acting like you know it all
not sure why you keep wanting to type so much, you becoming like zeio :p
Yes I have dealt with pro players. I am not an idiot. I got to watch them for fun and discuss with them about table tennis as much as I can. I know you manage them, but don't use your management of them as a substitute to replace the explanation I gave which was detailed and can be verified by anyone. No pro player who is managing his energy and fitness levels will tell you that the primary reason he lost a match was because he had to play 3 times in two days. When you find that player, since you know a lot of them, quote them here so we can learn from your expertise.
 
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Minus injury and other unpredictable events, it's a safe bet that WCQ will be the next grand slam winner, which means he most likely will be the next Olympic champion couple years down the road.

LSD is strong but he has vulnerability to be explored and most his opponents already know that. WCQ doesn't have the weakness and his challenge is mostly himself and the age.
WCQ's style depends a lot on speed and first attacks. Not sure whether he can keep up with the speed in 3 years. Once he loses in a couple of tournaments (I think it is going to happen in these three years), whether he can hold his head up and keep the confidence is also a problem.
 
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