Tibhar Hybrid MK review

[Doppelschlag]

Sorry, i meant Hybrid MK. I have already Vega Korea and Mantra Pro.

What was your impression of the rubber with Hugo HAL?

 

[Doppelschlag]

What is the Forum’s consensus nowadays regarding the Tibhar MK series (Standard, FX, Pro)? Anyone tried it with Hugo HAL or anything like that?

 

[Racket42]

What is the Forum’s consensus nowadays regarding the Tibhar MK series (Standard, FX, Pro)? Anyone tried it with Hugo HAL or anything like that?

I found MK to be forgiving on BH while learning fundamentals over the course of ~1 year. The durability isn't great - I replaced it every few months. I eventually changed to Dignics 80 and found almost no adjustment was needed. It's faster, spinnier, lasts longer (and cost twice as much).

 

[Angerer]

What is the Forum’s consensus nowadays regarding the Tibhar MK series (Standard, FX, Pro)? Anyone tried it with Hugo HAL or anything like that?

All three MK versions are excellent, MK Pro is slightly different to the other two -- it's significantly faster/more powerful.
The standard MK is great for forehand, especially for the developing players. It's controlled, has decent speed, medium-high arc, and very spinny.
I used to play with MK on forehand and MK FX on backhand, the experience was excellent but the durability was disappointing. On average, every MK version lasted for about 1.5-2 months. I had high hopes for the MK Pro durability (used it on both sides), but the firmer sponge didn't matter, as the softer topsheet wore off at the same rate.

 

[Lazer]

My favorite ESN rubber, I use FX on BH right now. I used to use the regular one but I switched to H3. If I was going to use an ESN rubber on FH I would use Tibhar Hybrid MK (have not tried Pro yet).

Cheers
L-zr

 

[Doppelschlag]

My favorite ESN rubber, I use FX on BH right now. I used to use the regular one but I switched to H3. If I was going to use an ESN rubber on FH I would use Tibhar Hybrid MK (have not tried Pro yet).

Cheers
L-zr

Thanks! Many say it feels softer than the stated 47,5°, is that your experience as well? Have you tried the softer FX as well?

 

[Doppelschlag]

So the USP in the beginning was the extreme controllability of the MK and the MK FX. Is this really a special feature of the MK over other soft hybrids, or was it also a bit of a hype?

As a developing player I am looking to downgrade from my Vega X – as described here – and am looking into soft hybdrids. Have any of you compared the Tibhar MK to some of these:

• Xiom Vega Pro H (47.5°) and/or Europe H (45°)
• Victas V>20 Extra (47.5°)
• Andro Nuzn 45 [°]

All of these are said to have slightly better durability, but are they as forgiving as Tibhar?

 

[Table10Ice]

So the USP in the beginning was the extreme controllability of the MK and the MK FX. Is this really a special feature of the MK over other soft hybrids, or was it also a bit of a hype?

As a developing player I am looking to downgrade from my Vega X – as described here – and am looking into soft hybdrids. Have any of you compared the Tibhar MK to some of these:

• Xiom Vega Pro H (47.5°) and/or Europe H (45°)
• Victas V>20 Extra (47.5°)
• Andro Nuzn 45 [°]

All of these are said to have slightly better durability, but are they as forgiving as Tibhar?

Out of those, I've only used Xiom Vega Pro H and Victas V>20 Extra. The Victas is quite fast compared to Vega Pro H. Right now I'm using Victas V>15 Sticky Soft that I like a lot. Restarted table tennis last fall after a 30 year "break".

 

[Doppelschlag]

Out of those, I've only used Xiom Vega Pro H and Victas V>20 Extra. The Victas is quite fast compared to Vega Pro H. Right now I'm using Victas V>15 Sticky Soft that I like a lot. Restarted table tennis last fall after a 30 year "break".

I also restarted TT two months ago, after a 30 hiatus. Is the V>15 Sticky Soft comparable to Vega Pro H in hardness, rather than the V>20 Extra? How does it compare to Pro H and which one do you prefer?

Do you use the V>15SF on FH or BH? I am thinking about getting it (or Pro H) on FH, and maybe Nuzn 45 on BH.

 

[Table10Ice]

I also restarted TT two months ago, after a 30 hiatus. Is the V>15 Sticky Soft comparable to Vega Pro H in hardness, rather than the V>20 Extra? How does it compare to Pro H and which one do you prefer?

Do you use the V>15SF on FH or BH? I am thinking about getting it (or Pro H) on FH, and maybe Nuzn 45 on BH.

Nominally, they're all 47.5 deg hardness, but to me V>20 Extra is the fastest one with least control. On the other hand, it might also had been that the blade I used it with was too fast for me (Tibhar Libra Zodiac) making the combination way too speedy? Among the three, Vega Pro H is the slowest and also easiest to use.

I really encourage you to try the Victas V>15 Sticky Soft! I use it on FH as of now. I'm also really curious about Nuzn 48 and Hybrid MK, going to try both later this season!

 

[Lazer]

Thanks! Many say it feels softer than the stated 47,5°, is that your experience as well? Have you tried the softer FX as well?

Maybe the regular Tibhar feels little softer but I am using FX now and it feels like the 45 it’s advertised to be…

Cheers
L-zr

 

[po-stit]

What was your impression of the rubber with Hugo HAL?

Enjoyed it pretty much.

So much that i'm using it on my backhand right now. I also tested it on the forehand but found it a little too slow away from the table. On the Hal i felt that it gave a little bit of much needed arc something that im kinda lacking with the Dignics 05. I also enjoyed the fact that it is a little softer and allows me to spin the ball when you just want to brush it. I struggle with those kind of balls with the D05. That being said i wont replace the D05 with the Hybrid Mk but orderer Hybrid MK Pro and see how it pairs.

In my early review of the HAL i said that it benefits harder rubbers, and it is true but at the same time, despite being medium hard i think the Hybrid MK pairs well with the HAL. Let's see if the Hybrid MK Pro is similar to the Hybrid Mk but a little bit faster.

 

[po-stit]

I found MK to be forgiving on BH while learning fundamentals over the course of ~1 year. The durability isn't great - I replaced it every few months. I eventually changed to Dignics 80 and found almost no adjustment was needed. It's faster, spinnier, lasts longer (and cost twice as much).

I feel that the D80 despites being faster is also much bouncier than the Hybrid Mk, but that might me just my impression.

 

[Doppelschlag]

So, this is slightly OT, but fits with the hybrid theme. I just came home from training, where I tried a friends bat. The blade itself is similar to mine, it even had Vega Europe [normal] on BH, that I have played on my Hugo HAL, so could compare. Her setup was:

• FH: Tibhar Hybrid K1 2.0 mm
• BH: Xiom Vega Europe 1.8mm

As a concept, I really liked this setup, so thinking of replicating it. The K1 felt easy to handle, and didn't realize until coming home googling it that is 50°.

First question: But since I’m new to hybrids, maybe still go with a medium hybrid?

And: dipping my toes into hybrids, do you think I should put it on both sides directly, or rather start with FH only?

For FH, I am nominating, as of recommendations above:

1. Victas V>15 Sticky Soft
2. Xiom Vega Pro H
3. Victas V>20
4. Stiga Hybrid …?
5. Nuzn 45 (maybe too soft? Or maybe not …?)

For BH I own a Xiom Omega VII Europe, and also a Vega Europe. Someone said that the Omega VII is very fast, but it is only 45°, right?

If you think I should go Hybrid on BH as well, I actually do own a Vega Europe H that I could slap on. Maybe a good start. Otherwise Nuzn 45 is a candidate here as well.

Addendum: Upon reading even more, Nuzn 45 is described as extremely balanced and controlled. Maybe good for FH for me as developing adult, having had a long hiatus. Not going too hard, too fast …?

 

[Doppelschlag]

Nominally, they're all 47.5 deg hardness, but to me V>20 Extra is the fastest one with least control. On the other hand, it might also had been that the blade I used it with was too fast for me (Tibhar Libra Zodiac) making the combination way too speedy? Among the three, Vega Pro H is the slowest and also easiest to use.

I really encourage you to try the Victas V>15 Sticky Soft! I use it on FH as of now. I'm also really curious about Nuzn 48 and Hybrid MK, going to try both later this season!

Thanks, I will consider either V15 or Nuzn45 for my FH. Have read that V>15 can be a bit bouncy in short game, and that Nuzn – despite being softer – is a bit more controlled. What is your feeling?

 

[pong99]

Using MK and NUZN45 on an outer ALC blade. Also tried MK FX

NUZN is slightly slower, higher arc, more grip than MK. I use it on BH, but have flipped to FH to try it out. It plays a very nice controlled spin game on FH. If you find in the future you outgrow 45, there's always 48 or 50.

MK has more top end than NUZN45

 

[Doppelschlag]

Using MK and NUZN45 on an outer ALC blade. Also tried MK FX

NUZN is slightly slower, higher arc, more grip than MK. I use it on BH, but have flipped to FH to try it out. It plays a very nice controlled spin game on FH. If you find in the future you outgrow 45, there's always 48 or 50.

MK has more top end than NUZN45

Thanks. Sounds like a sound choice. As I wrote above, I immediately liked K1, but it's easy to overestimate oneself, so will probably go with V>15SS or actually Nuzn 45 on FH if you recommend it. Is it also, like all other candidates, fairly insensitive for incoming spin?

 

[Table10Ice]

Thanks. Sounds like a sound choice. As I wrote above, I immediately liked K1, but it's easy to overestimate oneself, so will probably go with V>15SS or actually Nuzn 45 on FH if you recommend it. Is it also, like all other candidates, fairly insensitive for incoming spin?

I would think Nuzn 45 is a good choice then! It's supposed to last way longer than most hybrid aswell.

 

[Doppelschlag]

I would think Nuzn 45 is a good choice then! It's supposed to last way longer than most hybrid aswell.

Thanks, t’s what I ended up buying. Very satisfied so far.

 

[navuzor]

All three MK versions are excellent, MK Pro is slightly different to the other two -- it's significantly faster/more powerful.
The standard MK is great for forehand, especially for the developing players. It's controlled, has decent speed, medium-high arc, and very spinny.
I used to play with MK on forehand and MK FX on backhand, the experience was excellent but the durability was disappointing. On average, every MK version lasted for about 1.5-2 months. I had high hopes for the MK Pro durability (used it on both sides), but the firmer sponge didn't matter, as the softer topsheet wore off at the same rate.

dang it, is the durability that bad?