Calderano Signs with Joola (#139)

[The0rigina1]

So did Timo say the blades were customized for him? And how?

Jesus christ I'm talking to a wall

 

[piligrim]

so you would believe anything Lind says? just because he's well-known.

I believe to anything you and The0rigina1 say. I sure you know what you are talking about. No reason to believe to Lind

 

[NextLevel]

Now as to the topic of the thread--Hugo--Matt has said Joola can work with him to make whatever he wants, so... I think the only remaining question is, will Hugo go for one of Joola's existing pro-line rackets, or will he and Joola develop something new that us mortals can fork over cash for in an attempt to imitate greatness?

He will pick the third option - develop something new and then have Joola make an inferior commercial version of it that they can make money off while the special version that wins events will be available to Hugo himself alone.

PS: To be clear, this is the position I am pushing back on.

 

[NextLevel]

Jesus christ I'm talking to a wall

I just missed where that was said in the video and was asking for a reference. No need to resort to name calling, we all make mistakes. You admitted to making one when you claimed Timo's rubbers were tuned for him, but had no reference to support it. In the video, Timo goes further and says that he got used to playing with the rubbers he was sent without boosting them so he just never has in his career. I leave it to others to believe him or make up their own speculations.

 

[joshmak10]

What does "customize" mean in that context for Heming Hu, since the same phrase will be used for top players but with clearly different connotations but which are not always clear to a outsider? That is what I am pushing back against, this belief that a top pro (Ma Long, Fan Zhendong) is always willing and able to access things that are not commercially available and that are fundamentally different from and better than what is commercially available. Most of the time, the customizations are commercially available because it is in the interest of the brand/manufacturer to make them available.

For a long time, Timo pushed back on the problem of the CNT playing with rubbers that he couldn't buy on the market. Nowadays, there are marketed versions of what top players use. Whether you can boost as well as those guys etc. and then activate the equipment as well... my point though is that in terms of quality, it is not as simple as "he is a top pro, he is using something that no one can ever access".

Heming mentioned in a video that he got blades with his name on them, which is either an inditcatjon of a customized blade for him or it’s just for DHS to know who to send it to. But more so, he was able to get Hurricanes at degrees we can’t get, like his was like 39.75 or smth like that, but yet it was still harder or smth than a commercial national 41 degree. Find one of his equipment videos on his channel he will mention it. But it shows that customization that the pros get are not readily available to us mortals. Not a single top well known brand I know does this to the general market

 

[Matt Hetherington]

The only difference between whatever blade Hugo chooses and what may be commercially available is likely the weight, and the fact that a manufacturer tends to have a higher quality and finishing when they produce for a player 5-10 blades vs mass producing say 2-3 thousand.

Honestly most pros are using blades 90 grams or heavier and it’s just not a feasible weight for the commercial market, people do not want blades in the 90-95g weight range.

I don’t think there’s much more for me to add on that topic really.

 

[mamedium]

I believe to anything you and The0rigina1 say. I sure you know what you are talking about. No reason to believe to Lind

thank you for trusting me!
not sure about TheOrigina1, i have a feeling he might not be trustworthy

 

[rbtitco]

I suspect the main reason is that Joola is paying him a s*** load of cash.

Its the only reason lol. He would play for Decathlon if the money was right.

The only difference between whatever blade Hugo chooses and what may be commercially available is likely the weight, and the fact that a manufacturer tends to have a higher quality and finishing when they produce for a player 5-10 blades vs mass producing say 2-3 thousand.

Honestly most pros are using blades 90 grams or heavier and it’s just not a feasible weight for the commercial market, people do not want blades in the 90-95g weight range.

I don’t think there’s much more for me to add on that topic really.

Now you know why not many industry people post in here lol

 

[K.K]

The only difference between whatever blade Hugo chooses and what may be commercially available is likely the weight, and the fact that a manufacturer tends to have a higher quality and finishing when they produce for a player 5-10 blades vs mass producing say 2-3 thousand.

Honestly most pros are using blades 90 grams or heavier and it’s just not a feasible weight for the commercial market, people do not want blades in the 90-95g weight range.

I don’t think there’s much more for me to add on that topic really.

hugo's personal blades are made with an ayous core instead of kiri like in the commercial ones, so there is a difference besides the weight (hugos blades are around 94g, commercial ones 85g)

personally i don't care about that and think it is actually better to have kiri core and a lighter weight, because most people don't have professional power to activiate such blades, so i trust the seller why they don't choose to sell the exact composition like the player version and don't see it as this big conspiracy that people try to make out of it

 

[K.K]

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i am really excited about that switch and totally understand the connection to the south american market. i like the new campaign and love the new logo and aestethics. a good win and addition for team joola and fresh wind in tabletennis! thank you @Matt Hetherington for your insights

 

[Matt Hetherington]

Its the only reason lol. He would play for Decathlon if the money was right.

Now you know why not many industry people post in here lol

It’s definitely not the only reason 🤭

Of course everyone thinks they know better, however Hugo’s signing is important so I wanted to answer to some things in here.

 

[Matt Hetherington]

hugo's personal blades are made with an ayous core instead of kiri like in the commercial ones, so there is a difference besides the weight (hugos blades are around 94g, commercial ones 85g)

personally i don't care about that and think it is actually better to have kiri core and a lighter weight, because most people don't have professional power to activiate such blades, so i trust the seller why they don't choose to sell the exact composition like the player version and don't see it as this big conspiracy that people try to make out of it

If Hugo wants a blade with an ayous core then that’s what we will make, switching between ayous and kiri is hardly a major alteration - there are lots of commercial blades with ayous cores 🤣

 

[longle]

and.. you believe Anders Lind was telling the truth?

maybe when he tried his mass production blade version, that suited him perfectly that he didn't want any customizations. But I quite doubt that

 

[TampaBayTableTennis]

we need to get Anders in here to clear this up for us

 

[piligrim]

we need to get Anders in here to clear this up for us

Even if he come to forum and swear there is nothing special in his blade can we trust him? I wouldn't

 

[piligrim]

If Hugo wants a blade with an ayous core then that’s what we will make, switching between ayous and kiri is hardly a major alteration - there are lots of commercial blades with ayous cores 🤣

But ayous in his blade very special. Only Xiom has sources to get this ayous

 

[Matt Hetherington]

But ayous in his blade very special. Only Xiom has sources to get this ayous

they outsourced the production of those blades so what they can source is irrelevant 🤣

 

[NextLevel]

But ayous in his blade very special. Only Xiom has sources to get this ayous

Wouldn't be surprised if some of the OEMs doing business for Joola and Xiom were the same but even if not, anyone who has used Joola blades in recent years know that they are similar in some ways to Xiom. I think they even used the same language for at least one composite material found in their blades (Trimetrix).

 

[Doralikesmath]

Maybe someday the TT fandom will split the way the watch community has, into camps like in-house movements versus ETA movements, lol.

 

[NextLevel]

Heming mentioned in a video that he got blades with his name on them, which is either an inditcatjon of a customized blade for him or it’s just for DHS to know who to send it to. But more so, he was able to get Hurricanes at degrees we can’t get, like his was like 39.75 or smth like that, but yet it was still harder or smth than a commercial national 41 degree. Find one of his equipment videos on his channel he will mention it. But it shows that customization that the pros get are not readily available to us mortals. Not a single top well known brand I know does this to the general market

This doesn't sound quite right, but at this point, it's not worth digging into (his equipment video is 41 minutes long). Not sure what "commercial national 41 degree" means, and I know you are citing Heming. But basically, what you are saying is that if I buy this rubber:

https://www.tabletennis11.com/other_eng/dhs-hurricane-3-neo-41-5-wang-chuqin-fh-black

I am not buying what Wang uses, I am just wasting money?