Calderano Signs with Joola (#139)

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Admitted? Seems like you are assuming that I am lying. As Nextlvl said if I needed to lie then I just wouldn't comment at all. I don't HAVE to spend my time here answering to people who are caught up speculating and throwing around second and third hand information. I try and clear things up and make things clear and then I just get told that somehow I'm wrong or lying?
I dont know you. Would you be the first person to ever lie about stuff? Especially marketing specialists? nope.
Not saying you do. Just saying I dont know you. So im not going to just take your word for it.
And donic makes special equipment. so does butterfly. And others. Just saying.
 
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I dont know you. Or him. And I appreciate your loyalty to each other. Doesnt change how I feel however. When money is involved people do a lot of crazy stuff. Just my experience.
Is Joola making special stuff for their players? I dont know. 0 idea.
Is other brands? Yes. Are some of them lying about it maybe? Maybe. You dont know. Neither do I. thats all im saying.
You may not know him, but you can google his name. When someone posts under their full real name, please treat them with respect. He posts a lot of youtube content. He commentates for MLTT. I have known him in table tennis circles for over a decade so he has a big reputation with integrity to protect.

Please if you can tread easily with people here with public personalities sharing information. You don't have to believe him, but tread lightly. When someone like Matt is telling you what he knows, please just take it for what it is, even if you don't want to believe it.
 
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I dont know you. Would you be the first person to ever lie about stuff? Especially marketing specialists? nope.
Not saying you do. Just saying I dont know you. So im not going to just take your word for it.
And donic makes special equipment. so does butterfly. And others. Just saying.
Ok then don't direct a comment at me and ask me to explain it if you don't trust my word.
 
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Did you collect data from the comparison process? Like did you measure the blade weights, frequencies etc.

I have two Butterfly Innerforce T5000s, one is barely over 80g and the other is close to 100g and is varnished. It's not worth discussing them as the same blade but they are supposed to be.
you can always pick out examples to "prove your point" bro.
im telling you all the viscarias I ever tried feels very similar.
I understand you wish to defend your marketing friend and thats fine.
I am NOT saying he is lying. I am just saying I dont know him. he is a marketing person. And have incentive to maybe leave out some information. Not that I say he does. He might be the most honest person you and I ever will meet. I dont know. I am sure in this line of business if your a scammer and liar you will get chaught and outed pretty fast. So he most likely speaks the truth. I am just saying I dont know him. So dont trust things just because he says so. Same with anyone else I dont know.
 
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You may not know him, but you can google his name. When someone posts under their full real name, please treat them with respect. He posts a lot of youtube content. He commentates for MLTT. I have known him in table tennis circles for over a decade so he has a big reputation with integrity to protect.

Please if you can tread easily with people here with public personalities sharing information. You don't have to believe him, but tread lightly. When someone like Matt is telling you what he knows, please just take it for what it is, even if you don't want to believe it.
I will do so in the future. I understand. No more comments around this topic from me. Thank you.
 
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I dont know about Hugo but I know something for sure that Karakasevic uses Butterfly TB ALC with Joola handle and doesnt use Joola Karakasevic Feeling. Also before Joola sponsorship he never used Gewo blade, only Gewo handle.
Also Tokic Bojan never used Tibhar blade, he used also Butterfly TB ALC with Tibhar handle.
So, in 90% cases when pros make sponsorship with table tennis company they use Butterfly blade with table tennis company handle and table tennis company rubber.
 
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Just because I ask for an explanation does not inherently mean I have to believe anything you say does it?
I for one don’t understand why a player would get a blade built specifically for another player??? I stay away as much as possible with name attached to it…

And why would a player need to have a blade made specifically for him/her if they like one in the standard seoection. I think it’s often the brand that wants to create specific blades. Look at Donic, there is a sh-r load of different Waldners, I don’t think he is guilty of all of those…

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Just because I ask for an explanation does not inherently mean I have to believe anything you say does it?
I don't know what other brands are doing. I'm just sharing my feedback based on what people are asking. No you don't have to believe it, everyone has all their pre-conceived ideas already and in my position of course I understand why you wouldn't take my word. There are ways of communicating however that are probably a little more friendly than making out like I'm somehow untrustworthy when all I'm trying to do is shed some light on things in a discussion.
 
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I dont know about Hugo but I know something for sure that Karakasevic uses Butterfly TB ALC with Joola handle and doesnt use Joola Karakasevic Feeling. Also before Joola sponsorship he never used Gewo blade, only Gewo handle.
Also Tokic Bojan never used Tibhar blade, he used also Butterfly TB ALC with Tibhar handle.
So, in 90% cases when pros make sponsorship with table tennis company they use Butterfly blade with table tennis company handle and table tennis company rubber.
90%? 🤭 that’s an extreme exaggeration.
 
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you can always pick out examples to "prove your point" bro.
im telling you all the viscarias I ever tried feels very similar.
I understand you wish to defend your marketing friend and thats fine.
I am NOT saying he is lying. I am just saying I dont know him. he is a marketing person. And have incentive to maybe leave out some information. Not that I say he does. He might be the most honest person you and I ever will meet. I dont know. I am sure in this line of business if your a scammer and liar you will get chaught and outed pretty fast. So he most likely speaks the truth. I am just saying I dont know him. So dont trust things just because he says so. Same with anyone else I dont know.
Nah, my argument had nothing to do with Matt. I just wanted to point out that my experience with Butterfly blades has some exceptions to yours. You clearly had a bad experience with the Anders Lind blades and copies and I am just trying to see how deeply you investigated it by collecting data on the blades. I am a serial EJ with over a decade of wasting money on blades and rubbers so I know that even controlling for weight, it is often difficult to get blades that play the same in any brand (though I admit that Butterfly does a good job of making blades of high quality).
I dont know you. Would you be the first person to ever lie about stuff? Especially marketing specialists? nope.
Not saying you do. Just saying I dont know you. So im not going to just take your word for it.
And donic makes special equipment. so does butterfly. And others. Just saying.
The most important thing is to make your skepticism much more about you and far less about Matt, especially as he is posting as himself. No one has said they don't believe your story about the Anders Lind blades or anything like that. In any case, I am happy we can close this chapter. Thanks for understanding.
 
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I dont know about Hugo but I know something for sure that Karakasevic uses Butterfly TB ALC with Joola handle and doesnt use Joola Karakasevic Feeling. Also before Joola sponsorship he never used Gewo blade, only Gewo handle.
Also Tokic Bojan never used Tibhar blade, he used also Butterfly TB ALC with Tibhar handle.
So, in 90% cases when pros make sponsorship with table tennis company they use Butterfly blade with table tennis company handle and table tennis company rubber.

Sound like TB ALC very good blade. I might should buy it ))
 
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Nah, my argument had nothing to do with Matt. I just wanted to point out that my experience with Butterfly blades has some exceptions to yours. You clearly had a bad experience with the Anders Lind blades and copies and I am just trying to see how deeply you investigated it by collecting data on the blades. I am a serial EJ with over a decade of wasting money on blades and rubbers so I know that even controlling for weight, it is often difficult to get blades that play the same in any brand (though I admit that Butterfly does a good job of making blades of high quality).

The most important thing is to make your skepticism much more about you and far less about Matt, especially as he is posting as himself. No one has said they don't believe your story about the Anders Lind blades or anything like that. In any case, I am happy we can close this chapter. Thanks for understanding.
Agreed
 
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