Opinion on zyre, tenergy 05 , dignics 09c and nuzn/rasanter rubbers?

[Edan]

Can someone tell me the best rubber to use on a nittaku s-series s-cz, review is at https://revspin.net/blade/nittaku-s-series-s-cz.html.
I ve played with rasanter before and liked it but I kinda fell for butterfly and now i cant get it out of my head. Ive been using nittaku genextion for 1.5 years and theyre used and peeling off so i want to change them. Keep in mind the pricing (price-performance ratio). If there is a person who has played with them all or somebody who played with butterfly please tell me what the rubbers feel like.

 

[passifid]

Only paid the bty rubbers.

Imo t05 is finally outdated. Still able to make amazing spinny attacks but struggles a lot at short play and low and slow compared to modern rubbers imo discount this option

D09c is a great rubber but needs care with the tacky top sheet and plays kinda tacky as in makes great spin and openers easily and short game is immense but a bit more spin sensitive when countering than d05 or z03. Honestly probably one of my favourite Forehand rubbers.

D05 is imo the best rubber bty make for the average decent player, fast and spinny can play every shot so well because it can produce awesome spin like 05 but is relatively spin insensitive and is good at the short game because it has nice slow control. Only drawback is that compared to z03 or d09c your big attacks against low balls will be a bit worse. But this is balanced by it's controlled nature

Z03 is my current rubber it lasts well plays well but is super fast and I wouldn't recommend it to anyone who like the short game. Actually good at pushes and spin insensitive but a cannon

 

[NextLevel]

Only paid the bty rubbers.

Imo t05 is finally outdated. Still able to make amazing spinny attacks but struggles a lot at short play and low and slow compared to modern rubbers imo discount this option

D09c is a great rubber but needs care with the tacky top sheet and plays kinda tacky as in makes great spin and openers easily and short game is immense but a bit more spin sensitive when countering than d05 or z03. Honestly probably one of my favourite Forehand rubbers.

D05 is imo the best rubber bty make for the average decent player, fast and spinny can play every shot so well because it can produce awesome spin like 05 but is relatively spin insensitive and is good at the short game because it has nice slow control. Only drawback is that compared to z03 or d09c your big attacks against low balls will be a bit worse. But this is balanced by it's controlled nature

Z03 is my current rubber it lasts well plays well but is super fast and I wouldn't recommend it to anyone who like the short game. Actually good at pushes and spin insensitive but a cannon

Agree with everything except that Tenergy 05 is too slow. In fact there are people who argue that Dignics 05 is too slow and prefer the quick release of Tenergy. I find Tenergy 05 fine and Tenergy 19 better for what I do, but I think all the Butterfly rubbers are reasonably good. The choices are just based on specialized compensations for preferences and maybe the playing level. But I have seen 2600+ players who have used T05 and T19 and 2400+ players using T64 so in the end, I echo the Roc: It doesn't matter.

 

[golden_son]

Agree with everything except that Tenergy 05 is too slow. In fact there are people who argue that Dignics 05 is too slow and prefer the quick release of Tenergy. I find Tenergy 05 fine and Tenergy 19 better for what I do, but I think all the Butterfly rubbers are reasonably good. The choices are just based on specialized compensations for preferences and maybe the playing level. But I have seen 2600+ players who have used T05 and T19 and 2400+ players using T64 so in the end, I echo the Roc: It doesn't matter.

I read that as T05 "struggles with...low and slow," not that the rubber itself is slow. But that may be reader bias because I agree with that statement 😄. T05's springy nature means it's harder to play low/slow/short compared to D05/09c and it doesn't beat those on spin, hence being surpassed. Its only real advantage is being softer/easier to engage. Still a great rubber but arguably Dignics gives you similar spin and equal or greater speed with more safety.

 

[NextLevel]

I read that as T05 "struggles with...low and slow," not that the rubber itself is slow. But that may be reader bias because I agree with that statement 😄. T05's springy nature means it's harder to play low/slow/short compared to D05/09c and it doesn't beat those on spin, hence being surpassed. Its only real advantage is being softer/easier to engage. Still a great rubber but arguably Dignics gives you similar spin and equal or greater speed with more safety.

Yes, but there are some people who like the trade off. It's a personal thing. They also made T19 for people who wanted a more Dignics-like Tenergy.

 

[Gozo Zyreruna]

when play z03, stand further back...it goes kaboom easily!

 

[Wakkibatty]

As a recent convert to Tenergy 19, I can also vouch for its somewhat Dignics-like qualities. With 1.9mm sponge, the T19 is a brilliant BH rubber - fast, spinny and brilliant at punchy rocket like BH returns

That being said, please note all my personal blades feature a variety of different Australian native timber outer layers, which are different beasts entirely to your average outer layer on the whole, so please take the above recommendation with a grain of salt.

I have a D05 in 1.9mm on the BH side of one of my other personal blades, and this too is an absolute joy and strongly recommended. Out of these two rubbers however I frankly prefer the T19 for its greater spin potential.

As for the D09c, turning backspin into topspin on my BH side with a D09c is frankly one of life's great pleasures..... but paying full retail retail prices for them is one of life's great regrets.

Much as I truly love the D09C, an RRP of $120 Australian each is a real deal breaker. So 'thanks, but no thanks' to that one Butterfly, I'll keep buying my D09C rubbers second hand.

Only other thing I can add is that strapping a 1.7mm Tenergy 19 onto a super-bouncy one-ply blade, is a wonderful grin-inducing experience which I highly recommend to anyone and everyone in earshot. Definitely need to add this one to my list of hinoki / skollawood / high-rebound softwood / blade-effect-friendly rubbers.

 

[sebi]

T05 very fast easy to generate spin amd speed but hardest to control. I.e blocks, playing short service and recive but all that is a skill and can be trained

D09c best for short play, recieve, service and counter attacking.
D05 Fast top spins, attacking. Great overall rubber but worse then D09c in pretty much everything then speed.
D80 in my opinion the most balancdd Dignics less top end spin then D05 and D09c but better for blocking then D05

Z03 is a beast at attacking but i didnt have much time with it.

D05 D80 Z03 have incredible duration, D09c also but a bit less because the tack wears off if its not taken care of very good.

ESN rubbers are also good but in my opinion only butterfly provides the durability and this special springiness and responsivness.

 

[passifid]

Yes, but there are some people who like the trade off. It's a personal thing. They also made T19 for people who wanted a more Dignics-like Tenergy.

He is correct I meant compare to the others I struggled more with slow looping low over the net and short game.
I don't disagree it's an excellent rubber and actually think the better you are.probably.the more you can cope with that but for me it fell behind d05 at my skill

 

[Lazer]

Can someone tell me the best rubber to use on a nittaku s-series s-cz, review is at https://revspin.net/blade/nittaku-s-series-s-cz.html.
I ve played with rasanter before and liked it but I kinda fell for butterfly and now i cant get it out of my head. Ive been using nittaku genextion for 1.5 years and theyre used and peeling off so i want to change them. Keep in mind the pricing (price-performance ratio). If there is a person who has played with them all or somebody who played with butterfly please tell me what the rubbers feel like.

Nittaku S-CZ is a slow outer so I now would use a fast ESN or BTY rubber. My guess would be T05 (if You feel confident) or Tibhar Hybrid MK on FH. and Hybrid MK FX or Andro nuzn 45 or 48 on BH. If You have a really powerful FH then I would use D05 there. I personally think H3 requires a little too much effort on this blade...

Cheers
L-zr

 

[yoass]

Can someone tell me the best rubber to use on a nittaku s-series s-cz, review is at https://revspin.net/blade/nittaku-s-series-s-cz.html.
I ve played with rasanter before and liked it but I kinda fell for butterfly and now i cant get it out of my head. Ive been using nittaku genextion for 1.5 years and theyre used and peeling off so i want to change them. Keep in mind the pricing (price-performance ratio). If there is a person who has played with them all or somebody who played with butterfly please tell me what the rubbers feel like.

So what don't you like about Genextion, or the close relative Fastarc G1? You kinda fell for BTY, okay, but you are also concerned with price-performance ratio. Which, I would say, should include durability somehow - price*yearly-changes/performance, or something like that.

I like T19 (~€60/sheet), which I need to replace every 3-4 months (replacement rate 3-4/year) and rate as a performance 9. Taking the upper durability range, 60*3/9 = 20.
I like G1 equally (€35/sheet), which wears down 18-24 months but sometimes receives a bit damage along the way; replacing it about yearly on average. Performance 9, worse in some aspects and better in some others. 35*1/9 ~= 4.3. A nearly five times better price/performance ratio.

Some say Dignics lasts longer; that's not been my experience. Also wears out in 3-4 months for me. Also performs as a 9 (some things better, some worse); €80*3/9 ~= 26.7.

 

[Lazer]

So what don't you like about Genextion, or the close relative Fastarc G1? You kinda fell for BTY, okay, but you are also concerned with price-performance ratio. Which, I would say, should include durability somehow - price*yearly-changes/performance, or something like that.

I like T19 (~€60/sheet), which I need to replace every 3-4 months (replacement rate 3-4/year) and rate as a performance 9. Taking the upper durability range, 60*3/9 = 20.
I like G1 equally (€35/sheet), which wears down 18-24 months but sometimes receives a bit damage along the way; replacing it about yearly on average. Performance 9, worse in some aspects and better in some others. 35*1/9 ~= 4.3. A nearly five times better price/performance ratio.

Some say Dignics lasts longer; that's not been my experience. Also wears out in 3-4 months for me. Also performs as a 9 (some things better, some worse); €80*3/9 ~= 26.7.

Hammaren |||, a Swedish connection here? (Hammaren means "the hammer")

Cheers
L-zr

 

[Topspinslinger]

Zyre 03 is a great rubber with a lot of spin.

Dignics 09c is a great rubber with a lot of spin.

Tenergy 05 is still good for backhand if you like 47 degree rubbers.

Nuzn is a great rubber with a lot of spin and worse durability.

Rasanter R series is pricey but they all function well on backhand.

In my experience all these rubbers need replacing after one season, D09c and Zyre are fine for summer or winter practice after one season. But still need replacing.

 

[Angerer]

Agree with everything except that Tenergy 05 is too slow. In fact there are people who argue that Dignics 05 is too slow and prefer the quick release of Tenergy. I find Tenergy 05 fine and Tenergy 19 better for what I do, but I think all the Butterfly rubbers are reasonably good. The choices are just based on specialized compensations for preferences and maybe the playing level. But I have seen 2600+ players who have used T05 and T19 and 2400+ players using T64 so in the end, I echo the Roc: It doesn't matter.

I would describe T19 as "a better version of T05" in almost every department except finishing points. But given the stability and ease-of-spin-creation of T19, you can finish points via placement instead of raw power. It is kinda expected T19 is superior given that T19 is a relatively new rubber compared to T05.

Back to the TS:
- Z03 is quick (D64/D80 speed) with a much higher arc and higher maximum spin. (extremely durable)
- D05 is best when you have good technique and physical conditions. (extremely durable)
- D09C is best when you have lots of physical strength. (less durable, still good)
- Rasanter R42/45/47/48 are all excellent rubbers--quick, spinny, controllable at the same time but typically last 2+ months.

 

[yoass]

Hammaren |||, a Swedish connection here? (Hammaren means "the hammer")

Certainly. My custom blade's handle was modeled after my first blade's conical one, a Kjell Johansson Offensive Wood somewhere around 1980. Voila The Hammer. Ergo, Hammaren, and yes, it's in its third generation.

 

[yoass]

- Rasanter R42/45/47/48 are all excellent rubbers--quick, spinny, controllable at the same time but typically last 2+ months.

Call me picky, but a rubber that wears out that quickly isn't a good rubber. We have but one planet.

 

[Lazer]

Certainly. My custom blade's handle was modeled after my first blade's conical one, a Kjell Johansson Offensive Wood somewhere around 1980. Voila The Hammer. Ergo, Hammaren, and yes, it's in its third generation.

Cool,
I used to play with a Kjell Johansson blade back in the 70's and yes he was the original hammer. It has a round conical handle then I guess. In the beginning the only difference was the handles.

Hans Alser - flared
Kjell Johansson - round conical
Stellan Bengtsson - straigth
I don't remember if the "ergonomical" had a name attached...

BTW, I call my SDC Mjolnir (The name of Thors hammer)

Cheers
L-zr

 

[yoass]

Cool,
I used to play with a Kjell Johansson blade back in the 70's and yes he was the original hammer. It has a round conical handle then I guess. In the beginning the only difference was the handles.

Hans Alser - flared
Kjell Johansson - round conical
Stellan Bengtsson - straigth
I don't remember if the "ergonomical" had a name attached...

BTW, I call my SDC Mjolnir (The name of Thors hammer)

Cheers
L-zr

I also had (was gifted) a Stellan Bengtsson Offensive Wood, same era. It had an anatomical handle, and I much preferred the Johansson.

 

[Lula]

Is the price of the butterfly rubbers worth the cost? Is the durability higher and the rubbers last longer? Of course you can spend your money how you want but I feel these rubbers are so expensive if you are just playing for fun.

 

[sebi]

Is the price of the butterfly rubbers worth the cost? Is the durability higher and the rubbers last longer? Of course you can spend your money how you want but I feel these rubbers are so expensive if you are just playing for fun.

I think so yes. D05 is very durable lasts half a season for me, i train 4 -5 times a week and do a lot of multiball. Zyre 03 seems to last even longer had it for 3 weeks now and i don´t have any signs of wear on the rubber