Replacement for the 8-80 and H3 BS?

[AdamH]

I am on a FZD ALC 88g with 8-80 37 on BH and H3 prov BS 40 on FH.

Total weight 192-193g.

So I am 175 cm on 64 kg and sad to say I have come to a point if realization that 8-80 surface is to hard for me and slightly to dead and lack a little tensor.

Funny is that of all reviews of it people talk about hard to flat hit. My flickas are exactly that because I can't activate it with power unless flick and or with my body into it.

My friends got the 8-80 to, one on Harimoto and other on a Ma Lin Soft Carbon.

Note worth is that it actually plats better in terms of grip due to the softer outer layer than that of a FZD however I like the speed out on the FZD more.

The BS is as the 8-80 great but TT is more than mid to long distance rally. I am late and to weak even if I am generally fast.

The BS is not good when it is worn out. Atleast not as good on a FZD.

Both rubbers lack a little tensor however I do get it that I don't push through as much since I don't have the volume for it.

I might go back to 39 degrees since it is slightly less compact. Played it on a Viscaria til I came to a point it lacked power from far away contrary to the FZD.

I wish the BS came in 2.00 mm or 2.05. I will look for a light er BF (FZD).

Regarding 8-80, a bit more grip (softer) and could just use a little more spring. Funny is is that it is really just a little of everything.

Same for the BS. And can it be slightly light er it would solve other issues aswell.

I do have weightlifting planned. Got back just about over a year ago. Manage to drop 17 kgs in just playing in less than a year and got back up 4 kgs.

But yeah I feel like I mastered my setup to the point I can't get more out of it, building muscles doesn't take do much time since 2 months will do much for my little body. Still.

I got these little wishes and hope you guys have a solid recommendation. And you would be suprised how many rubbers I have bought and tried since I got back.

On another note I was actually thinking of maybe go for even a faster blade (BF) but more flex if it exist.

And I like a little mushy outer layer but have only tried the M1 Donic and Xiom Vega Korea (This one was dead/neutral minus in passive on a Viscaria ALC).

I like dead, linnea sponge with a little spring, just for dwell but doesn't need to be super compact, yes I have has regular H3.

My eyes are currently at a new Xiom Vega Korea just because it will play differently on the FZD compared to the Viscaria. It is not ideal but I need something with a little more.

Other I am getting most likely the Rakza X Soft. Got a Rakza X from a contact. I have played the 7 Soft on both better and worse blades.

Regarding FH. I tried Neo commercial on bad blade and then got to test it in good matchning blades. It seemed to do well on a Ma Lin Soft Carbon but that blade bottoms out in heavy rallys so not really seeing it.

I want to like the Neo but tried it on a contacts WCQ and FZD national. I just hate rubbers that can't roll (grab) balls soft lift. Neo needed more force to it.

On ex. FZD.

Now I shall stop speaking. Big Dipper is to soft and somewhat springy. Loki Color have the same issue as the Neo regarding slow roll towards more vertical.

 

[MOJOJOJO-74]

You should try out Donic Blue Grip J1 (FH) and J3 (BH)if you would like something bouncier and has some tackiness, and you won't have to worry about boosting these since Hurricane rubbers are highly recommended to have booster with them. Bluegrip J series are Hybrid rubbers that Zhang Jike help with its development, and I'm sure there's other people who have more experience with these rubbers than I do. Also, TTD made a video with Zhang Jike himself with the J series as well as his Donic blade so that can help. Another option could be boosting your Hurricane rubber if you haven't considered it. It'll feel better than a non-boosted Hurricane, but it'll give more tension and be a little easier to play, but just know you have to work for your power if you're using Chinese rubbers. Hope this helps!

 

[steve888]

The battle 2 series is quite good too, there is the Battle 2 soft (37) and I also have used battle 2 39 degree on the FZD. At the moment I use D09c on FH and Glayer 09c on backhand on the FZD

 

[Denso]

Regarding 8-80, a bit more grip (softer) and could just use a little more spring.

Have you tried the Nittaku 8-80 Power?

 

[Tyce]

Putting a lick of booster on these rubbers could be all you need. A solid layer or two on the H3, and just a small bit on the H8-80 will make them just that little bit more dynamic. Grabbing the ball for a slow spin is perfectly possible with both of your rubbers. Spinny flicks should work well. Of course, this is depending on how well your rubbers are staying clean and protected.



That being said, your profile (Appelgren Allplay with Rakza 7 Soft on both sides) has me confused though. There is such a huge world of difference between that and FZD ALC with hard, dense rubbers that I don't understand how you can say you've mastered this setup, even if you changed to FZD right after joining these forums and forgot to change your profile.

You're also talking about how different FZD is to Vis, which I find kind of strange. Unless you have a huge weight difference between them, both are the same composition with only differences in handle. FZD is slightly lower balanced due to a slightly bigger handl, but that's it. If the difference between Appelgren Allplay and FZD is on a scale of 0-100, a similar weight Viscaria would be at 98.

 

[joshmak10]

Go with a 39 degree Blue Sponge Hurricane 3 Neo (needs to be the turquoise packaging) boosted one layer, and Dignics 09c BH, optionally can add a layer of booster to that too

 

[AdamH]

Putting a lick of booster on these rubbers could be all you need. A solid layer or two on the H3, and just a small bit on the H8-80 will make them just that little bit more dynamic. Grabbing the ball for a slow spin is perfectly possible with both of your rubbers. Spinny flicks should work well. Of course, this is depending on how well your rubbers are staying clean and protected.



That being said, your profile (Appelgren Allplay with Rakza 7 Soft on both sides) has me confused though. There is such a huge world of difference between that and FZD ALC with hard, dense rubbers that I don't understand how you can say you've mastered this setup, even if you changed to FZD right after joining these forums and forgot to change your profile.

You're also talking about how different FZD is to Vis, which I find kind of strange. Unless you have a huge weight difference between them, both are the same composition with only differences in handle. FZD is slightly lower balanced due to a slightly bigger handl, but that's it. If the difference between Appelgren Allplay and FZD is on a scale of 0-100, a similar weight Viscaria would be at 98.

Booster helps a bit but reboosting isn't same especially after more times. Haifu yellow.

I play 3-5 each week and had period of playing up til 14 days straight with competitions.

I used to play on the old ball with Donic Allplay Senso V2 with Donic Desto and Quattro. I was a all+ player still am. You find me close and as far away like a rally stylist.

I moved past of alot of material. Was hard and still is finding the right material especially if you want the most of it. I still can slice since both rubbers/FZD reppels to much with to little tensor and me lacking punch to give that strong penetration to activated enough of a effect.

The R7S on that blad was a missmatch. Had to learn and try alot to understand my limitations but as the year went on you get stronger and better in all aspects.

I can play with all materials like most good players but it is about finding that material that ticks most boxes so you are content. Right now it is muscle first that is needed but before and if I can close that gap there is time to explore to find material that is better suited which would make TT fun again because yes I feel like I leveled out with this setup and need more of a wilder setup.

And regarding hitting. Yeah I live on snapping and tilting the blade a bit to add the energy needed but I don't have the push (forward) force to go as deep to create more curve which is frustrating. FH it is spinn and keeping speed and power. There is a gap between the two.

And yes, the Donic Allplay is slow and tops out and I am used to a higher speed and want to be at what FZD generates but people who haven't played BS lacks the knowledge how much power it swallows and that is why I like it since you get a wider range of play.

Since I got muscle on some place still lack core so I often agile but too slow in reset still due to fatigue in center body.

While booster helps it also make it mushier and swallows more. If it wasn't for the weight and me being weak I would go harder blade and rubber but then you lose more feel and all my play with the Allplay was feel to a 100% so. But there is a part of me who signal for faster. Due to the fact when it is boosted and even if I snap loop at 100% I max out and I feel like I would yield a better result with less compact dead heavy. If you dont utilise the full rubber it is just stupid to have the added weight. Still the dead sponge helps in shortplay, recieve and block but yeah it is a little thick.

A trick I did on the 3-50 was boosting on Stiga glue it would actually expand the rubber in witdh which made it hinner. However it was way to hard in the passive block and even then very hard to take on full force close to the table.

So there are branded national rubbers at 2.1 it is only 0.05 difference. And I have weighted 2.2 mm vs 2.15 mm and it is better to remove 0.1-0.2 mm around the blade and remove some rubber to lessen the weight a little.

Regarding the FZD and Viscaria it is a false positive atleast what I notice. The FZD has a wide base but the Viscaria handle is thicker uptil.

Both mine are at 88g and it could be argued that Viscaria still has a more balanced weight distribution.

Might be on the top handle how you hold it aswell that plays a part to it.

Also compared to two of my friends FZDs they have a different production handle that has been polished. Mine is bigger and not polished as much.

I plan on modding the handle down a little around since I dont have huge hands so it feels a little large mid to bortom but if I remove 1-2gs bottom I will most likely go on the top corner a bit on the blade.

 

[Tyce]

Impressive playing hours! I'm sure improving your core muscles will help you with power and stamina. I can't imagine maxing out the power of a Fzd alc but I also don't put in anywhere close to the effort you are.

As for the rubber question: If you don't want to reboost, you just need to change more often.
You could put reboosted rubber on a second blade and use it to train, that way you save wear on your best rubber.

 

[Kilogramme]

I am on a FZD ALC 88g with 8-80 37 on BH and H3 prov BS 40 on FH.

Total weight 192-193g.

So I am 175 cm on 64 kg and sad to say I have come to a point if realization that 8-80 surface is to hard for me and slightly to dead and lack a little tensor.

Funny is that of all reviews of it people talk about hard to flat hit. My flickas are exactly that because I can't activate it with power unless flick and or with my body into it.

My friends got the 8-80 to, one on Harimoto and other on a Ma Lin Soft Carbon.

Note worth is that it actually plats better in terms of grip due to the softer outer layer than that of a FZD however I like the speed out on the FZD more.

The BS is as the 8-80 great but TT is more than mid to long distance rally. I am late and to weak even if I am generally fast.

The BS is not good when it is worn out. Atleast not as good on a FZD.

Both rubbers lack a little tensor however I do get it that I don't push through as much since I don't have the volume for it.

I might go back to 39 degrees since it is slightly less compact. Played it on a Viscaria til I came to a point it lacked power from far away contrary to the FZD.

I wish the BS came in 2.00 mm or 2.05. I will look for a light er BF (FZD).

Regarding 8-80, a bit more grip (softer) and could just use a little more spring. Funny is is that it is really just a little of everything.

Same for the BS. And can it be slightly light er it would solve other issues aswell.

I do have weightlifting planned. Got back just about over a year ago. Manage to drop 17 kgs in just playing in less than a year and got back up 4 kgs.

But yeah I feel like I mastered my setup to the point I can't get more out of it, building muscles doesn't take do much time since 2 months will do much for my little body. Still.

I got these little wishes and hope you guys have a solid recommendation. And you would be suprised how many rubbers I have bought and tried since I got back.

On another note I was actually thinking of maybe go for even a faster blade (BF) but more flex if it exist.

And I like a little mushy outer layer but have only tried the M1 Donic and Xiom Vega Korea (This one was dead/neutral minus in passive on a Viscaria ALC).

I like dead, linnea sponge with a little spring, just for dwell but doesn't need to be super compact, yes I have has regular H3.

My eyes are currently at a new Xiom Vega Korea just because it will play differently on the FZD compared to the Viscaria. It is not ideal but I need something with a little more.

Other I am getting most likely the Rakza X Soft. Got a Rakza X from a contact. I have played the 7 Soft on both better and worse blades.

Regarding FH. I tried Neo commercial on bad blade and then got to test it in good matchning blades. It seemed to do well on a Ma Lin Soft Carbon but that blade bottoms out in heavy rallys so not really seeing it.

I want to like the Neo but tried it on a contacts WCQ and FZD national. I just hate rubbers that can't roll (grab) balls soft lift. Neo needed more force to it.

On ex. FZD.

Now I shall stop speaking. Big Dipper is to soft and somewhat springy. Loki Color have the same issue as the Neo regarding slow roll towards more vertical.

My solution, is, keep your setup. Build muscle. Better for your health, overall game, and you will look better in the mirror. I am 175cm, but 72kg, and since I started to build muscle, my game improved a lot. More endurance, I became the strongest player in my club in terms of raw power. not the best, yet.
Once you develop a good technique with your setup. Go for Xiom Vega China in FH. I switched from H3 BS boosted to Vega China, coz I got bored with boosting. Closest to H3 boosted. It is a hybrid closer to chinese, than european rubber. Tacky (even more than H3 on my first sheet). You do feel the tensor, but very controllable. For the BH, I went from H8-80 to Rakza Z to T19. And now, I am considering going back to H8-80. The tackiness is so nice in the game. I miss it. Also, I bottom out my T19 sometimes on some BH shot.

 

[mihalichtheone]

Booster helps a bit but reboosting isn't same especially after more times. Haifu yellow.

While booster helps it also make it mushier and swallows more.

Try re-boosting with Haifu National Black. It doesn't soften the sponge much, but does add the kick. Evaporates faster, like maybe boosting once a week with black is a good idea. I do that now with my DHS rubbers.