WTT Champions Frankfurt 2026, November 3-8

[pongfugrasshopper]

Come on now. This is disingenous. Zeio created a thread that was suppose to be a discussion on LA2028 and turned it into his personal gossip column where he changes the title on a whim and often creates false narratives:
"Hayata can't help but admits she was dumb"
which was thankfully and hilariously called out by Nablaz:
"Hayata: talks about an opponent and praises her for her tactical intelligence.
Tieba users: She herself admits she is dumb!"
He also berates players and downplays their achievements (Hayata, WR#1 Sora, Sabine, among others). He does this in tournament threads as well. So I'm sorry, but I think it's fair to call out the ridiculous gaslighting statements he makes. Tony created a thread to highlight Sabine's great results after her switch to anti, and zeio posts on it how poor her results are. It's fine to critique things like tactics, technique, etc., but continuously creating fake narratives often using Tieba TT fan posts as evidence should be called out.
Is that what Dan really wants from his forum... to be used to denigrate pro TT players, who pour their blood, sweat, and tears into their craft?

 

[zeio]

The latter. Fraser mentioned it in the context of the Hayata camp reaching out to clear the air so that they could play mixed doubles together. Obviously, public relations stunts are never a full indicator of what lies beneath the surface, but again, that they can get along enough to actually take these pictures means that I probably don't understand Japanese culture if the idea was that Tomo disliked her so much he was going to be one enforcing the morality of the incident that occurred with his sister as per @zeio.

Ugh, man, wasting my time again. Once again, get your facts straight before trying to paint a fuller picture.

It was Hayata reaching out to Miwa (you posted the podcast, for crying out loud) to clear the air to make the WD pairing possible. The XD pairing between Hayata and Tomokazu was dissolved after Paris 2024 (the 1st round exit hurt so much as Ishida revealed in an interview with Table Tennis Kingdom), and therefore had nothing to do with the controversy at WTT CS Yokohama 2025. Tomokazu said in a mixed-zone interview during WTT F Fukuoka 2024 that he would play XD with Miwa only.

 

[ThePongCommenter]

Come on now. This is disingenous. Zeio created a thread that was suppose to be a discussion on LA2028 and turned it into his personal gossip column where he changes the title on a whim and often creates false narratives:
"Hayata can't help but admits she was dumb"
which was thankfully and hilariously called out by Nablaz:
"Hayata: talks about an opponent and praises her for her tactical intelligence.
Tieba users: She herself admits she is dumb!"
He also berates players and downplays their achievements (Hayata, WR#1 Sora, Sabine, among others). He does this in tournament threads as well. So I'm sorry, but I think it's fair to call out the ridiculous gaslighting statements he makes. Tony created a thread to highlight Sabine's great results after her switch to anti, and zeio posts on it how poor her results are. It's fine to critique things like tactics, technique, etc., but continuously creating fake narratives often using Tieba TT fan posts as evidence should be called out.
Is that what Dan really wants from his forum... to be used to denigrate pro TT players, who pour their blood, sweat, and tears into their craft?

To call me disingenuous, you're assuming that I or others read every thread or post from zeio's mega threads. I am not as interested in reading the discussions of the JNTW as many on this forum. I like many others mostly prefer to engage in the tournament threads, and it would be disingenuous to NOT admit that the last several of those have been full of incessant back and forth over an issue which both sides refuse to let die. So I think it is obvious that it becomes a moderation decision (or non-decision) at a certain point. So again, I am calling for a public statement on the moderation team's current stance on this, I have heard and accepted @NextLevel's stance but would like to hear from @NDH and whoever else has a say in the matter.

The issue is not whether I agree with everything that zeio ever posts or whether I disagree with his detractors. The issue is whether the rest of the forum is going to continue to be subjected to this endless back and forth, which is clearly never going to reach a resolution. I think my stance is pretty clear and easy to understand.

I don't know what Dan wants from his forum, but the reality is he probably doesn't care about this place at all relative to the rest of his business. But yes probably not what you state. Also probably not the core members engaging in subtle trolling of each other year after year, exhausting and driving away members who have seen enough of the fighting. I'm sure we can agree on both of those.

 

[NDH]

To call me disingenuous, you're assuming that I or others read every thread or post from zeio's mega threads. I am not as interested in reading the discussions of the JNTW as many on this forum. I like many others mostly prefer to engage in the tournament threads, and it would be disingenuous to NOT admit that the last several of those have been full of incessant back and forth over an issue which both sides refuse to let die. So I think it is obvious that it becomes a moderation decision (or non-decision) at a certain point. So again, I am calling for a public statement on the moderation team's current stance on this, I have heard and accepted @NextLevel's stance but would like to hear from @NDH and whoever else has a say in the matter.

The issue is not whether I agree with everything that zeio ever posts or whether I disagree with his detractors. The issue is whether the rest of the forum is going to continue to be subjected to this endless back and forth, which is clearly never going to reach a resolution. I think my stance is pretty clear and easy to understand.

I don't know what Dan wants from his forum, but the reality is he probably doesn't care about this place at all relative to the rest of his business. But yes probably not what you state. Also probably not the core members engaging in subtle trolling of each other year after year, exhausting and driving away members who have seen enough of the fighting. I'm sure we can agree on both of those.

OK, you'd like to hear my thoughts on the matter - But you may not like them.

The online table tennis community feels quite unique - It's spread incredibly wide across many cultures and languages, and this 100% contributes to some of the "issues" that we see.

It also *feels* like the personalities who post, are "well known" and it makes the entire community feel small - This forum is no exception - It's a handful of people who keep it active.

As I have said previously, my preference for "moderation" is the lightest touch possible - Enforce the rules, but don't moderate on emotion.

The reality is, the "rules" are perhaps overdue a revision, and that is not a job for me, NL, Carl or anyone else other than TTD directly.

Until then, all you can do is ignore, scroll past, block or report the things you don't like.

But I assure you, if you find someone's actions frustrating, there will be as many people who find this *constant* issue of "moderation" being brought into many threads, equally as frustrating.

 

[ThePongCommenter]

OK, you'd like to hear my thoughts on the matter - But you may not like them.

The online table tennis community feels quite unique - It's spread incredibly wide across many cultures and languages, and this 100% contributes to some of the "issues" that we see.

It also *feels* like the personalities who post, are "well known" and it makes the entire community feel small - This forum is no exception - It's a handful of people who keep it active.

As I have said previously, my preference for "moderation" is the lightest touch possible - Enforce the rules, but don't moderate on emotion.

The reality is, the "rules" are perhaps overdue a revision, and that is not a job for me, NL, Carl or anyone else other than TTD directly.

Until then, all you can do is ignore, scroll past, block or report the things you don't like.

But I assure you, if you find someone's actions frustrating, there will be as many people who find this *constant* issue of "moderation" being brought into many threads, equally as frustrating.

No dislike here. I appreciate the straightforward response.

It's a shame that some issues continue to be debated by forum members year after year. People on all sides not being able to take your suggestion of "ignore, scroll past, or report the things they don't like" even after they've said all they can say on a certain matter literally hundreds of times over and injecting it into every new discussion for months and years on end.

Anyways, I've made my thoughts clear on how I think that limits the forum's growth and may even be contributing to its decline. I know I'm not the first person to feel this way, and I doubt I'll be the last.

I also find it a little puzzling that TTD would bring in a new moderation team without giving them the authority to shape the rules and direction of the forum themselves. I guess until TTD decides to revisit the rules, which seems unlikely to ever happen given what we all know, we can expect things to stay as they are.

Thanks.

 

[zeio]

Come on now. This is disingenous. Zeio created a thread that was suppose to be a discussion on LA2028 and turned it into his personal gossip column where he changes the title on a whim and often creates false narratives:
"Hayata can't help but admits she was dumb"
which was thankfully and hilariously called out by Nablaz:
"Hayata: talks about an opponent and praises her for her tactical intelligence.
Tieba users: She herself admits she is dumb!"
He also berates players and downplays their achievements (Hayata, WR#1 Sora, Sabine, among others). He does this in tournament threads as well. So I'm sorry, but I think it's fair to call out the ridiculous gaslighting statements he makes. Tony created a thread to highlight Sabine's great results after her switch to anti, and zeio posts on it how poor her results are. It's fine to critique things like tactics, technique, etc., but continuously creating fake narratives often using Tieba TT fan posts as evidence should be called out.
Is that what Dan really wants from his forum... to be used to denigrate pro TT players, who pour their blood, sweat, and tears into their craft?

Where did you get the idea I created that thread strictly for the LA28 race when the selection criteria had not even been published? For crying loud, I spun that thread off of the one for Paris 2024 and made it clear in the original thread title "Ito: I'm not sure I will play for another 4 years".

 

[NextLevel]

Ugh, man, wasting my time again. Once again, get your facts straight before trying to paint a fuller picture.

It was Hayata reaching out to Miwa (you posted the podcast, for crying out loud) to clear the air to make the WD pairing possible. The XD pairing between Hayata and Tomokazu was dissolved after Paris 2024 (the 1st round exit hurt so much as Ishida revealed in an interview with Table Tennis Kingdom), and therefore had nothing to do with the controversy at WTT CS Yokohama 2025. Tomokazu said in a mixed-zone interview during WTT F Fukuoka 2024 that he would play XD with Miwa only.

None of the *facts* you posted are contradicted by anything i have written.

What i am getting at: when it was pointed out that Miwa and Hayata had a professional relationship, you went out of yout way to poat that Tomo would not be taking what Hayata did lightly. I wish i could find it, but I don't have the time or energy to run around finding quotes. My point here is that the way Tomo and Hayata interact here is not the way that people who bear grudges for slights against their family act.

While it may not satisfy @ThePongCommenter , i have largely ignored you with a step by step process, first of all mostly not responding to your posts and then largely avoiding direct engagement other than when something is wrong (s score in a post or a statement of fact without a verifiable source). This was just another one of those case that stood out.

 

[piligrim]

https://www.tabletennisdaily.com/forum/members/zeio.44277/ignore

 

[zeio]

None of the *facts* you posted are contradicted by anything i have written.

What i am getting at: when it was pointed out that Miwa and Hayata had a professional relationship, you went out of yout way to poat that Tomo would not be taking what Hayata did lightly. I wish i could find it, but I don't have the time or energy to run around finding quotes. My point here is that the way Tomo and Hayata interact here is not the way that people who bear grudges for slights against their family act.

While it may not satisfy @ThePongCommenter , i have largely ignored you with a step by step process, first of all mostly not responding to your posts and then largely avoiding direct engagement other than when something is wrong (s score in a post or a statement of fact without a verifiable source). This was just another one of those case that stood out.

Yes, you contradicted your own post, and you have a history of doing that. Do I have to remind you again about Szocs and Diaz (especially your wager with @Takkyu_wa_inochi)?

It was Tomokazu that criticized what Hayata did was "許せない/unacceptable/unforgivable" (hence my post to pongfugrasshopper on Game Theory), one from the mega thread and one from the tournament thread, just to name two.

Once again, I don't agree all the time with Takkyu_wa_inochi (on Mizutani and Ito being lucky at Tokyo 2020) and Shine (on WCQ) but we get along just fine. We post our views, make our positions clear and just move on. We don't tackle the others because we tackle the arguments sincerely. Not the case with other members who persistently refuse to come to terms even with what the players and coaches have said.