Why are Evolution rubbers still less popular than tenergy?

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Controversial opinion (and not really factual, just an impression):
I think while evolution mx p is still perfectly playable, tenergy 05 has become more obsolete.
I do not use any of them, I purely base this on the strange fact that when I play against people who use tenergy, I on average get a ball with quite less spin than all the new and harder hybrids, whilst the mx p still sends my way a heavy ball
 
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Controversial opinion (and not really factual, just an impression):
I think while evolution mx p is still perfectly playable, tenergy 05 has become more obsolete.
I do not use any of them, I purely base this on the strange fact that when I play against people who use tenergy, I on average get a ball with quite less spin than all the new and harder hybrids, whilst the mx p still sends my way a heavy ball
The power of boosting... though I do know some strong players that still use Tenergy.
 

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I am still really enjoying MX-P 7 days after my initial post. How long can New equipment syndrome last? What is the longest honeymoon for a new blade or rubber?
It is amazing after about 10 years of looping everything I can actually smash really clean and hard and fast winners again!
 
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I am still really enjoying MX-P 7 days after my initial post. How long can New equipment syndrome last? What is the longest honeymoon for a new blade or rubber?
It is amazing after about 10 years of looping everything I can actually smash really clean and hard and fast winners again!

After factory booster wipe out it will be much slower
 
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Controversial opinion (and not really factual, just an impression):
I think while evolution mx p is still perfectly playable, tenergy 05 has become more obsolete.
I do not use any of them, I purely base this on the strange fact that when I play against people who use tenergy, I on average get a ball with quite less spin than all the new and harder hybrids, whilst the mx p still sends my way a heavy ball
Doesn't seem that controversial to me. I think the quality ceiling for most hybrids is noticeably higher than Tenergy 05.
 
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How do they compare with tenergy in control? I heard these lose their boost quickly and a heavy rubber? I tried the t05 not enough control in short game - to spin sensitive. Currently using t19 - much better.
 
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I find it hard to quantify control, because everyone's idea is different.

I think Tenergy produces better shots with less effort, the 09c requires more input to get quality but scales much better.

Tenergy not having good control is a bit overstated in my opinion. Most rubbers that are capable of producing high amounts of spin and speed require you to brush the ball and play with a closed angle.
 
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I find it hard to quantify control, because everyone's idea is different.

I think Tenergy produces better shots with less effort, the 09c requires more input to get quality but scales much better.

Tenergy not having good control is a bit overstated in my opinion. Most rubbers that are capable of producing high amounts of spin and speed require you to brush the ball and play with a closed angle.
Yes control is hard to quantify - but I mean more easy to use rubber (Forgiving and easy manage in most scenarios) for intermediates like me. Tenergy 05 probably isnt the best if you dont have great technique - I find I can easily overshoot the table with my shots, and the rubber is spin sensitive - doesn't just fly off everywhere against spin - short play is harder etc - hence less controllable for me. :)

Also great to talk to another Aussie. :) :)
 
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Yes control is hard to quantify - but I mean more easy to use rubber (Forgiving and easy manage in most scenarios) for intermediates like me. Tenergy 05 probably isnt the best if you dont have great technique - I find I can easily overshoot the table with my shots, and the rubber is spin sensitive - doesn't just fly off everywhere against spin - short play is harder etc - hence less controllable for me. :)

Also great to talk to another Aussie. :) :)
I think d09c is noticeably more demanding than Tenergy unfortunately. Tenergy by comparison is easier to create quality but yeah, it is error prone with bad technique. So is d09c.

I think something like Rakza 7 is a better intermediate rubber. I personally think the Rozena is basically a toned down Tenergy and is fantastic for intermediate level of play, but a lot of people seem to dislike it.
 

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I had my first venture into competitive matches yesterday with M-XP.
It was quite pleasing!
It certainly made a big difference against a long pimple chop blocker and hitter guy. I have been struggling a bit recently to get through long pimple players with the abs balls being so much slower. However my fh driving and smashing was excellent and i had the speed and power to attack very strongly.
It also worked well against a lobber side spin top spin freaky guy who gets everything back and then some.
Against a couple of others who I have a fairly good record against I got similar results.

It's not as archy and spinny as 05fx but it means I do not try to loop everything all the time.
I think its going to be a keeper - just hope it last a few months at least.
 
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The answer to why Tibhar Evolution rubbers are not so popular with amateur players is real simple.

THE OVERWHELMING MAJORITY of amateur players collectively, whether they realize or not, so many are very sheep like and do not think for themselves or reason well. Some do, big majority do not.

Such will look at what the pros use and what the top amateurs use and out of awe and lack of knowledge/reasoning or a perceived inability to figure it out on their own, simply drink the koolaid and buy that stuff, without analysis or regard for whether it is appropriate for them or not.

I get it, amateurs are amateurs and will never become a pro player. So amateur players should use and enjoy what they want, damn the torpedoes. Maybe a defeatist way to think in terms of better optimizing what a player can use and have better chances to play better... but ultimately, we will not keep coming back to play TT if we did not in our hearts enjoy it and like what we use to play the great sport of TT.

One can argue Tibhar Evo series is not quite as good or is better than the BTY offerings... if you can define what good means and identify certain parameters and criteria and how to evaluate... then you can deduct whatever.

For me, I have different things that I value, number one is on a variety of shots, easy in spin generation. @NextLevel might agree with me on that principle and totally disagree with me on what equipment makes it easy to do that task.

I may be called a BTY hater, but BTY 05FX on FH on my Persson Power Play blade or my current 6 month commitment on the Waldner Legend Carbon blade, I feel like it is almost cheating at just under $70 a sheet... kinda OK price to occasionally slap on for a huge tourney.

I tried the uber expensive $130 a sheet Zyre... and after using it in practice and a couple tourneys, I can say it does one thing better (fast loop) and one thing way worse (slow/heavy opener) and it is a wash compared to the $33 a sheet Tibhar Aurus (older tech than evo series). I concluded that Zyre in aggregate did not make me play any better compared to Aurus 47.5 sponge.

Ironically, my highest resultant rating came from a tourney where I played T05FX FH and EL-S BH on a Nexy control carbon blade (Batos), almost came out of that tourney 2100 rated.

Even myself can conclude EVO series is worse or better... but I get there by dynamic evaluation and reasoning of what is appropriate and easy for me to do some important shots over falling for hype of what pro or top amateur uses.

Who gunna eat sum beef for dinner tonite?
 
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Another tournament outing with MX-P!
Beat who I was expected too, lost to who I was expected too.
And beat a guy who is same level.

So another positive experience on the whole.

Conditions were terrible and that normally kills my 05fx.

So all looking good!

MX-P working very well with the Yasaka Goiabao!
 
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