China Smash 2026, Beijing, 10/1-11

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So players would be allowed to ignore all service rules when they are called wrong twice?

Yes, that would not be OK.

But there is an asymetry/imbalance that I dislike. I'd prefer, in these high stakes tournaments, the checks are done automatically, and if wrong, simply called and point given to the opponent. Rather than interrupting the flow by the judge who makes mistakes, and asking and waiting for the outcome... At least I would increase the number of remaining challenges by 1 when called incorrectly.
 
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Yes, that would not be OK.

But there is an asymetry/imbalance that I dislike. I'd prefer, in these high stakes tournaments, the checks are done automatically, and if wrong, simply called and point given to the opponent. Rather than interrupting the flow by the judge who makes mistakes, and asking and waiting for the outcome... At least I would increase the number of remaining challenges by 1 when called incorrectly.
Definitely.
Imagine if he had no TTR calls left and a judge gets it wrong by that much!?
This system is absolutely stupid imo.
As you said, check them all or check none. Call them all.ot call none.
But done call a 25° serve and pretend everything is hunky dory when you get it wrong and you've totally screwed the momentum in the match. Total farce
 
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So players would be allowed to ignore all service rules when they are called wrong twice? No, the satisfaction is that they get to serve again, potentially a different serve. Also mentally it’s stressful for the opponent because they essentially lose a point. I don‘t think the challenge actually changed the match here.
You're so wrong here.....
No, the player doesn't get to ignore all rules but maybe stupid umpires not calling based purely on a whim should not be a part of the game.
And it definitely changed the momentum in this game. Just watch it again and it's pretty obvious.
I think the main point here is that ZQ may ultimately have won the match anyway, no problem with that from anyone. But it's a major shame that an umpire steps in with such a stupid call at such a crucial time in the match. It makes a farce of top level TT and it needs to be re-examined.
 
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You're so wrong here it's laughable.
No, the player doesn't get to ignore all rules but maybe stupid umpires not calling based purely on a whim should not be a part of the game.
And it definitely changed the momentum in this game. Just watch it again and it's pretty obvious.
I think the main point here is that ZQ may ultimately have won the match anyway, no problem with that from anyone. But it's a major shame that an umpire steps in with such a stupid call at such a crucial time in the match. It makes a farce of top level TT and it needs to be re-examined.

He is not wrong in critizicing my proposal, which was wrong, and written in anger ;-)

We need voices like that...

Whether or not it changed the momentum, it's hard to say, it is only personal opinion... Like with rubbers ;-)

BTW. 2nd day with Dynaryz ZGR and the usual combination BH/FH all to partners BH felt so much better than with Chintac 575... Yet, my friend likes it, for his game the Chintac (now 525) will be good... You see - just personal...
 
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China Smash 2026 WS QF
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China Smash 2026 MS QF
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Scheduled Matches:
All times are local time.
Live streaming: https://www.youtube.com/wttglobal

Sat, 10th Oct 2026
12:00 T1 WD Final HARIMOTO(JPN)/HAYATA(JPN) - WANG(CHN)/KUAI(CHN)
13:00 T1 MS QF Felix LEBRUN(FRA) - Hugo CALDERANO(BRA)
13:45 T1 MS QF Truls MOREGARD(SWE) - LIN Yun-Ju(TPE)
17:00 T1 WS SF Hitomi SATO(JPN) - CHEN Xingtong(CHN)
17:45 T1 WS SF WANG Manyu(CHN) - Miwa HARIMOTO(JPN)
18:30 T1 MD Final LEBRUN(FRA)/LEBRUN(FRA) - LIM(KOR)/OH(KOR)
 
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It is not the system it's the rules.

The rules must be able to be followed in a reasonable way and applied even when a 10-year-old is sitting there keeping score. 29 or 32 degrees angle.... Good lord.


Now, lets hope for some exciting quarter finals!
 
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He is not wrong in critizicing my proposal, which was wrong, and written in anger ;-)

We need voices like that...

Whether or not it changed the momentum, it's hard to say, it is only personal opinion... Like with rubbers ;-)

BTW. 2nd day with Dynaryz ZGR and the usual combination BH/FH all to partners BH felt so much better than with Chintac 575... Yet, my friend likes it, for his game the Chintac (now 525) will be good... You see - just personal...
Great to see some self awareness on the internet.
Ya just had to ruin it with rubber talk though eh. Errr. Available on Ali?
 
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WTT: In or out, your take?
Table tennis English teacher Hashimoto: You dumb dumb?

 この大会はメインコートではビデオ判定(TTR)が導入されているが、橋本が戦ったコートではなかった。チャイナスマッシュはインスタグラムをWTTと共同で更新。「今のポイントはインか、それともアウト? ゲームポイントの局面で、ホノカ・ハシモトのエッジボールが認められなかった……あなたはどう思う?」と実際の動画を公開した。

 橋本はこの投稿に、「この件については、さらに慎重な議論が必要です。判定を下す際の一瞬の躊躇を感じました。スポーツにおいては、たったの1ポイントが試合の結果に絶大な影響を与えることがあります」とコメント。さらにインスタグラムのストーリー機能で、「公平なジャッジとは なぜTTRはメインコートのみなのか?」と疑問を呈している。
(While the China Smash tournament employs a video review system (TTR) on the main court, the match Hashimoto played took place on a different court. In a joint Instagram post with WTT, the tournament shared footage of the incident, asking, "Was that point in or out? At a crucial game-point moment, Honoka Hashimoto's edge ball wasn't acknowledged... What do you think?"

Hashimoto commented on the post, stating, "This matter requires further careful discussion. I sensed a moment of hesitation when the call was being made. In sports, a single point can have a massive impact on the match's outcome." She also raised questions via Instagram Stories, asking, "What constitutes fair officiating? Why is TTR available only on the main court?")

【卓球】「公平なジャッジとは」重要局面での判定が物議 橋本帆乃香「1点が大きな影響与える」
https://www.nikkansports.com/sports/news/202610100000171.html

桥本帆乃香发文控诉裁判不公
https://tieba.baidu.com/p/11091111938

https://www.instagram.com/reel/DeRHqCTyEqc
 
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That challenge at 6:7 ruined it!

I think we need a following rule: If the judge calls it, and it is incorrect, it will be said to HIM: only 1 more challenge remaining! Players also should feel satisfaction from it!
No need for officiating then. Players will just take advantage of the "honor system" by luring the umpire into 2 incorrect calls.

https://documents.ittf.sport/sites/default/files/public/2026-02/2026_Statutes_v1_consolidated_tc.pdf
2.6.6 It is the responsibility of the player to serve so that the umpire or the
assistant umpire can be satisfied that he or she complies with the
requirements of the Laws, and either may decide that a service is incorrect.

2.6.6.1 If either the umpire or the assistant umpire is not sure about the legality
of a service he or she may, on the first occasion in a match, interrupt
play and warn the server; but any subsequent service by that player or
his or her doubles partner which is not clearly legal shall be considered
incorrect.
 
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WD F
Hayata/Harimoto (1) 1-3 KM/WMY (2) (-11, -2, 9, -7)
G1 01, 51, 56, 57 Harimoto faulted for not vertical (35.47), 510 nine in a row, 910 TO for CHN, 1110, 1113
Hayata, the Weakest Link, failed to be reined in by Harimoto. It's been a 鵰娜馬 decade and she still hits too hard when it counts.
G2 15, 25, 29 WMY on her back, 211
G3 03 TO for JPN, 23, 24, 34, 37, 67, 68, 108, 109, 119
WMY touching her low back...
G4 01 endline edge for KM, 11, 12 KM saved Hayata's big net, 14, 44 two Hayata's receives surprised KM, 46, 66, 67 WMY's receive returned the favor to Hayata, 610, 710, 711

Could've ended in 3 straight. Hayata is even worse than Ito was a few years ago.
 
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WD F
Hayata/Harimoto (1) 1-2 KM/WMY (2) (-11, -2, 9, )
G1 01, 51, 56, 57 Harimoto faulted for not vertical (35.47), 510 nine in a row, 910 TO for CHN, 1110, 1113
Hayata the Weakest Link, failed to be reined in by Harimoto. It's been a 鵰娜馬 decade and she still hits too hard when it counts.
G2 15, 25, 29 WMY on her back, 211
G3 03 TO for JPN, 23, 24, 34, 37, 67, 68, 108, 109, 119
WMY touching her low back...
G4
KM is starting to fight for last place though lol
 
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JTTA needs to give Harimoto/Hashimoto another try and Harimoto/Sato as well as Hashimoto/Sato a try. This rigidity is getting them nowhere. If finishing as the finalists only is their goal, then Kihara/Nagasaki have done way better than Harimoto/Hayata.

WD QF
Harimoto/Hayata (1) 3-2 Chien Tung-Chuan/Li Yu-Jhun (7) (9, -10, 9, -8, 6)

And JTTA wants to bet on this pair at LA28? Still 22 months away and Hayata is already suffering like this...

Also, I have a hunch CTC could make the WS again for LA28.

WS R32
Zhu Sibing (Q) 3-2 CTC (-7, 5, 5, -7, 8)
WS R64
CTC 3-1 Hursey (-6, 8, 7, 15)
No chance in WD either, now that CNT is getting serious.

WD QF
CY/Li Yihui (WC) 3-2 Nagasaki/KNY (4) (5, -4, 8, -6, 8)

WD R16
Chitale/Ghorpade (6) 2-3 Gao Yuxin/Xiang Junlin (WC) (10, -4, -7, 8, -8)
 
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