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Interesting. I think the Olympics have been watered down and are mostly ceremonial now. But celebrity status is important I guess.

I showed the source of the confusion and I probably misread what zeio wrote but it is okay. Sorry for lying about Ma Long. It was a honest mistake. But the idea that one can compare Wang Hao in 2012 to Zhang Jike in 2016... let's just say I find that weird. But it seems some are convinced...

Well you can make any comments you want to. I can make mine as well. What you know is what you know. I don't pretend anyone else knows what you know. 8f you find raineverever fair, that is fine. That is why we discuss these things. Like unsaid I know where the argument will go before I hear it.

It is hard to argue in good Faith with someone who doesn't declare their biases upfront. If you want to do it, go ahead. I would rather at least make those biases clear if she won't. Because we always know the conclusion no matter how many arguments will get us there. That makes it harder...

You can't always play at your best but a lot depends on how much margin for error there is in your game while not radically changing your playing style. You also don't play often enough to have your game fully calibrated (we have to place our performance in the context of our training and...

Your point of view is interesting. It doesn't pass my smell test but it is interesting. I never defined prime as failing to defend your title. In fact I don't think Ma Long had any title at his prime (second half of 2011) though this is my opinion. My point is that those of us who watched...

http://tabletenniscoaching.com/node/2037 We can now add - GOAT of plastic ball era - Ma Long.

Some statements are puzzling. If ZJK was not in his prime in 2016, then Wang Hao was not in his prime in 2012. Come again? Prime is a relative word. By 2016 people were not even sure that ZJK should be playing Olympics. In 2012, WH was by any strength measure still one of the top players in...

My brain sometimes agrees with you but my body doesn't.

It is fun to debate people who are so sure they must be right that only idiots can disagree with them. Especially when you were once one of those people at a younger age and can reflect on the limited perspective of youth and how it can't see that the world is a much more interesting place than...

I value how he felt. But I also value the objective difficulty of the achievement.

So in other words, none of his achievements during the cell ball era impress you and you think he is partly a child of WH retirement, ZJK dropoff and the plastic ball? National Games and Asian Championships are just practice matches?

I think this is truly an internet limitation and there is really no way to address it. Punditry requires a big mouth and pen but no real knowledge. But I think it is clear that I think Ma Long is the GOAT, but that I can understand why others may disagree, with the biggest black mark being the...

And how long is his time?

I think when you look at something like GOAT, you take a broad perspective of everything and weight some things with relative importance. I think if you do, despite details and quibbles here and there, Ma Long is the greatest player of the modern era. I don't deny that I wish he had greater...

It is a sign of maturity to recognize that disagreement is inherent in the human condition given the subjective nature of life.

I think you should look at his ranking of the best players of all time. You might get a different perspective there.

I gave a definition. You are using yours. If XX and FZD had made the semis again this year by my definition, then we would have a conversation. ML is the great player of the plastic ball generation but he isn't competing against any others. In 2013, he was competing with many great players...

People know the relative difficulty of winning the events based on the draws and the number of great players etc. Even Waldner ranks Wang Liqin and Wang Hao over Ma Lin. World Cup is not a real slam to anyone.

Usually there is video after the match. Maybe they just didn't catch him and I missed it. Ask zeio.