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Wang Liqin exists.

Well. People said similar things about Federer in the mid 2000s. Then what happened? Other great players showed up and he suddenly started losing more. How to define a great player? Someone who is consistently going deep in every event even if they are not winning the titles because another...

Because very often in sports you are judged at the margins by what you didn't do not what you did. Ma Lin had the Olympics gold and World Cups that Wang Liqin did not. But no one will confuse that with the difficulty of winning the stacked WTTC back then. And Ma Lin just lost to WLQ twice...

These are arguments I have made before. It is funny arguing with a past version of yourself. 1) This is a bit of mixing and matching. The records say nothing about when/where the matches were played or whether the opponents were at certain ages or points in their careers. In a few years, we...

I said it is overrated in assessing Ma Long's greatness. No, not generally overrated.

First rule of DerEcthe TT - if you return his serves reasonably well, you have a good chance of beating him. Did you ever try a Korbel?

My coach thinks that you should spin everything. But sometimes these issues are about definitions. The best players seem to topspin against everything except lob and high balls to the short forehand.

No doubt and this is where injuries come into play as well. Only a true fangirl would act like ZJK didn't have serious injuries, regardless of your view on whether that should be seriously considered in ZJK's goat candidacy. The point is simple. If you look at the players at the top of the...

The CNT coaches would make the exact same comments about Zhang Jike with respect to how spin affected their gsmes. No, she was putting her own spin on it. ZJK was more reliant on spin than Ma Long.

So when a professional does it, it is respectful but when an amateur does it, it is disrespectful? It is called Punditry and everyone does it. Like I said, the only direction one can head with your argument is degenerative insults. I can assert that Mattias Falck is not as great TT player as...

Not true. You can have many dominant player if the same.players are consistently getting to the top spots. If you blame the new ITTF seeding system, you would be far more credible.

No doubt. If not, Monica Seles may be the greatest lady tennis player of all times. More seriously, the back injuries that left ZJK looking like a shell of himself were significant. It doesn't require accepting that Ma Long is the GOAT to realize that. There were other things but there is no...

Spoken like a true ML fangirl.

Do you think the plastic ball hurt Ma Long as much as it hurt Zhang Jike? Speak truthfully.

I think no one ever suggested that someone is not the best because he beat everyone or because he didn't beat everyone decisively. There are subtle arguments about the quality of your opposition. They can be weighted as part of the discussion. Maybe zeio thinks they are enough to dispute Ma...

I think it is best to balance out arguments rather than to make them in one-sided fashion. I think it is hard to make a statistical case against Ma Long being the greatest player of all time. Borderline impossible. But when you look at the quality of the competition he face on the way to his...

So let's get this straight - journalists and statisticians have little respect and sportsmanship an I supposedly do because I can say that in my view that the players right now as not as great as prior players? Not sure why you need to personalize this issue but it is your prerogative. The...

I agree with RidTheKid that you can't blame Ma Long for being healthier than his teammates, but I agree that we don't seem to have players of the quality of Zhang Jike and Wang Hao out there right now, other than Ma Long and Fan Zhendong. I still think Fan Zhendong and Harimoto have a lot to...

I am not sure why you find it offensive. One of the discussions that surrounds the greatness of a player is the quality of the competition he faced. Look at tennis for example. The way you know players are great is that they are consistently performing well in multiple events. Federer...

Fan Zhendong is matching up better to be honest. The other CNT teammates lack the right level of experience other than XX, who lacks the balance.