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The way we use the axis word in Finnish can sometimes be a bit weird compared to English, so I was thinking in terms of a 3D chart, with the Z-direction being the ball's direction of travel and so on. I'm probably misusing the term. It's just semantics, because I think we're all talking about...

Shuki and myself are referencing the ground's axis'. Seeing as we don't have much experience playing table tennis in zero G conditions, it works pretty well.

It's in the wrist. Maybe you're not actually rotating from the wrist as much as you think you are?

I can also loop backspin with a pure topspin stroke. If I really want to spin it, that's what I'll go to. As long as the tangential speed of your racket is higher than the backspin's speed, it'll go onto the table. So brush fast. I brought it up because I noticed the phenomena of backspin and...

Why do people keep misusing vertical? Or do I not get something? A sidespin spins along the horizontal axis of the ground, right? A topspin spins along the vertical axis of the ground. Vertical = up and down Horizontal = left and right I am taking the reference from the ground. Perhaps you...

I play a guy who chops the ball pretty heavily, for my level. It's probably not that much spin, but it's enough to make it go into the net if you don't take care. Against him, I like to contact with a brush stroke just a bit to the side, with the bat yawed a bit. The success rate for such a...

In my lowly opinion, I don't think you can really say that a good loop has this or that % of sidespin on it. It depends on the application and the play style. But I understand what Seemiller means. On the topic of producing hook: How exactly are you supposed to come across the side of the ball...

When I'm practicing my "normal shot", and it goes into the net, it's pretty much "pure" topspin. My "spinny loop" is also "pure" topspin. The way I used to contact, sometimes I accidentally produced sidespin. Now with the form shown in the video a page back, I can produce sidespin and topspin...

Your story reminds me of how I learned all kinds of fancy serves, but got worse results because people at my level can't read serves anyway unless they've been talking to me and training with me, so they did a pretty decent job at returning more "advanced" spins without huge problems...

When I keep hitting the ball with the racket edge, I've found I'm not looking at the ball enough when I contact. I turn my head too soon and never look at the contact. That might have something to do with your problems.

@NextLevel I'm happy I'm on the right track, then. Even if 2000 is not that high a level, it's still higher than mine and you won't get there with a bad foundation. Usually. :p So even if my swing might not be amazing in it's results of spin, placement, efficiency and speed, it's still working...

This is a loop played on a more passive return. I'm not good enough to loop a very spinny shot with a bigger swing, unless it's backspin. Although I can do a very short counterloop near the table, it's very high as you mentioned. When I play higher level people, I will need to adjust my stroke...

Ah yes, because I don't feel like making an entirely new thread: @NextLevel @UpSideDownCarl @NDH @Der_Echte Whoever else I forgot ie: call your friends Tell me what's wrong and what's not so wrong but needs improvement. Bear in mind it IS just a shadow, so it's probably a little nicer than...

Seems legit.

I found as my loop mechanics became better and I moved away from a flat hit to a more brushing hit, (The video I posted was an example of a very bad day, though, so there I was smacking it right on the back) I also started contacting it on the side. Then I heard about spin avoidance and...

I am specifically talking about the practical application. So in practice, it's not really viable to try to strive to perform a "corkscrew loop" and it will happen as long as your arm mechanics are any good? Playing against a topspin loop and a "corkscrew" loop is also not really different...

You are still generating more topspin than corkscrew, right? And perhaps a little bit of sidespin that doesn't really affect the flight too much? Or is the majority of the spin corkscrew? I can remember looping onto someone's paddle, it flying up and spinning in a very significant corkscrew...

@NextLevel I'm curious, because people keep talking about side/top loops and how corkscrew loops are superior. I fail to see how it's possible to achieve a "pure" corkscrew with a table tennis bat, while still having any forward speed. Taking practical human mechanics into account, of course...

That is the corkscrew spin I am talking about. With all logic, if you have varying degrees of corkscrew, you will produce some dip along with the corkscrew effect upon hitting the table. A pure corkscrew won't be affected until it hits the table, correct? A pure sidespin is a topspin flipped...

Hello. Which is more preferable in the forehand loop, corkscrew or side top? I understand that it's quite difficult and not really practical or effective to produce pure topspin, and that good loopers hit the ball more on the side than on the back. I don't think it's practical to produce a...