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My practice partner is a high level LP/inverted penhold so I know the style quite a bit. I personally tried shakehand anti BH and FH inverted some time but imo that is still not as powerful as the penhold LP/inverted style. There are just too many possibilities with LP/inverted penhold and imo...

Penholder's main problem is the topspin to topspin game which they just cant really compete with shakehand. I will admit that penhold is superior when the spin is complicated especially with underspin type balls. But now with chiquita, there is simply no stopping a shakehander from forcing the...

The meta now in amateur table tennis in order of importance... 1. Good serves - this is the no.1 point winner. Plus points if you can serve very heavy short sidetopspin, low short no spin, fast long sideunderspin and aim them as you please to the nastiest locations. 2.Good spinny deep pushes...

Yep of course twiddling is not difficult but at least can be trained at home without a table easily. But double inverted penhold especially inverted RPB, I really rarely see players managing to master it at levels equal to shakehand BH at an amateur level. The reason why LP/inverted works so...

Calling such a style "LP penholder" is simply wrong. The correct way to refer to it is a LP/inverted penholder. Tbh long pips penhold is an addition to the existing inverted penhold play. For this style to work you need a strong inverted penhold game as a base. This is why it is not a bad idea...

Tbh i'm not too happy to see his playstyle at the moment, because he relies too much on the LP attack rather than developing a super strong penhold inverted game (for eg FH loopkill). Even the serves are like a bit half baked....

The 'meta' at the amateur level is simply not the same as at the pro level. What top 10 players use has 0 bearing of which styles are most effective at the amateur level. Coming back to penhold - have you seen a 2nd Felix Lebrun or Wang Hao? Basically it takes an extraordinary amount of...

I think you didnt understand my point at all. I am describing a twiddling LP/inverted player. Such a player has full access to all the inverted range of shots. It is not just as simple as "Penh9ld LP"

I'm not sure if it is limiting if it allows an amateur to defeat a national team member here. In reality, without a correct and intense training environment, 2x inverted will fare far worse in terms of absolute ceiling. And i never heard of a 2x inverted amateur defeating even a semi pro.

https://www.tabletennisdaily.com/forum/topics/pro-lp-inverted-penholder.38323/

the trick is that having one side inverted and one side OX LP you can use both instead of just 1. The variation can be killer. There are many penholders out there at amateur level who use this very effectively and Ive played with many of them. There was one who even beat national team member...

TPB blocking spinny loops is much easier if you know how to go sideways to rob the momentum. Both left to right or right to left will work. No need to close the angle excessively (you need to close it a little of course). Much higher success rates this way.

I highly recommend sticking OX LP on the backside alongside inverted and then learn how to twiddle. This playstyle is stupidly OP in the amateur circles. Unlike shakehand where if you dont like playing against LP you can always redirect it to the inverted side, it is easy for penhold to do...

TPB is best for OX LP hahaha

If they push it to the BH corner yes this is the easiest spin for a BH opening loop. The problem with hook serve is when they push with their BH against the spin, long to the middle or down the line to the FH. It is not a difficult receive even for amateurs, but you do need a pretty strong FH...

Imo one of the best serves is heavy pendulum sidetopspin to the opponents short extreme BH corner - the ball must exit the sides of the table at a huge angle. If they try to loop it you mentioned you have great blocking skills - just aggressively block it wide to their deep FH and you will...

TLDR, loop with more spin over the top of the ball and you wont miss it.

The reason why WCQ missed is because he was preparing to counterloop FZD's BH loop so he was positioned a bit farther away, FZD used his BH to float back a shorter high ball and now he needs to move in to kill the ball, so it is not a simple "long no spin ball". WCQ did well and almost nailed it...

It helps when the opponent pushes almost all long balls on the BH and doesnt punish them :)

Not too sure why everyone says this nonsensical word rather than a fist pump "Yes" or something like that. I even seen badminton players cho so unfortunately it may have been infectious...