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There are quite a lot of ways to serve hook. Benjamin's movement appears to always finish upwards, first is the underspin generating movement portion, then finishing with the topspin generation portion (for serves there is always 1 real and 1 fake movement, and you toggle them to change the spin...

They cant generate much spin anyways, all they do is manipulate your spin. With sidespin serves they can borrow your sidespin to produce some disgusting shot, and the sidespin (as it is always there) helps them stabilize the shot. If you are very good at disguising heavy underspin and no...

Yep either LP or antispin would work. The problem i can see Jpen now is that they are very strong when the game is in short game + 1st strong FH loopkill mode (a mode that even Ma Long relies on), but they are hopeless when it goes into a fast topspin rally. And now there are way too many ways...

Imagine if he also had a crazy inverted loopkill to boot, and twiddles to confuse ppl. I'm sure pros would be able to make this inverted/LP penhold style seem even more OP and unbalanced. Sometimes, it is just no one really tried. Plus with penhold they can use RPB too which adds another...

You mean loopkill with inverted right? But one can also attack with LP quite successfully too as a variation. Yeah my practice partner plays that way but there are a lot of suboptimal things in his technique, and he actually beats some ex semipros that I cannot beat at all. I bet if a...

Yes it is easy because I also play LP penhold with my offhand for fun. Serve receive with LP is the easiest shit ever. Of course I know what pips players fear (the heavy underspin/no spin combo serve with no sidespin) and yes I abuse that serve to win against them. But then the beautiful...

Imo it is a bit of a dark art to it, but instead of snapping your wrist up like a reverse pendulum serve, if your wrist goes down before your palm does it will produce quite strong topspin although the overall movement is going down. This has way better deception.

I believe the way forward is a Jpen player with advanced hidden serves, the as usual Jpen strengths like FH loopkill and fast TPB + LP to use for serve receive or defence or twiddling. If trained properly, I believe even top 10 is achievable.

Kim Kum Yong and the Indian team is finally bringing the advanced version of pushblocking all the way to the top of pro TT. This is the way. Now we need a Jpen RSM like player with crazy hidden serves + FH loopkill coupled with LP on the backside for twiddling for the ultimate...

Someone dug out the original hook serve specialist Sun Ting who won against Ma Lin the 1st time round, and Ma Lin had to switch his BH rubber to LP to cope with his serves for the 2nd round lol. So i guess the moral of the story is that double inverted in amateur space is too difficult due to...

Yes. They dont dare to implement the system for eg Hawkeye because every single pro player is serving illegally and it will be a clown fiesta to the audiences lol....

LOL the old guy no toss serves... add in some illegal pips and boosted rubber and you get the ultimate amateur player who can take out even retired pros xD

Yeah that is a heavy underspin/no spin serve combo, not a FH sidespin pendulum serve lol. If you look at true sidespin pendulum, the variation is generally from sidetopspin to sideunder, very rarely no spin. And it is the kind of sidespin that can make the ball exit at 90 degree angle to the...

When other players have a nasty receive with grippy rubbers, it is not playing around with your mind like what LP does. It is not easy to adjust your mind to treat a ball as counterclockwise when you just saw a clockwise movement from your opponent. With some pips it is worse because they can...

Correct, those rubbers dont feel unfair to play against. I can serve all my sidespin serves without the fear that the sidespin will be used against me in a bad way. With anti or LP you can produce a sidespin ball that kicks in the opposite direction of your stroke... they can brush the ball in...

I dont understand - do you not serve short serves against everyone else? He is not even talking about super short ghost serves which btw one kid used to reach the final in a recent Chinese national junior tournament. Why would you intentionally dumb down your normal game so that the kid can...

Perfectly within the rules. There is no rules saying that you cant do short serves.... short serves are part and parcel of the game, and if he doesnt want to encounter them he should not compete in a tournament.

I am not talking about the entire game, but simply serve receive. Your argument is invalid because everyone trains hard with their equipment, be it pips or inverted. But anti or pips really makes it super easy to receive serves, and pretty much makes it a braindead hack for ppl who cant master...

Hahahahah you did great... short serves are part and parcel of the game and if he cant reach it that is on him, not you!

The current service rules are fine. The ball has to remain in full view of the net for the entire process. It is a simple to enforce rule if you have cameras that track the ball from the 2 net posts and automatically flags the server if it loses sight of the ball. Unfortunately almost none of...