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    Difference between forehand drive and forehand loop?

    What is the difference between forehand drive and the forehand loop.

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    One has more spin. A lot more energy is put into spin.

    For the drive, you sort of just focus on colliding with the ball. The stroke is not too big.

    For the forehand loop, you focus on hitting and spinning the ball. The stroke is much bigger.


    If you have ever played against somebody who can loop, you will instantly see and feel the difference.


    Have you seen videos of people forehand looping?

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    I only watch table tennis not play.

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    Quote Originally Posted by waldner101
    I only watch table tennis not play.
    Hi, I'm very happy to see people like you! Unfortunately table tennis is hard to understand without playing experience, that's why are few people who just watch. Try to find videos from a different angle than official (recorded from top/back).
    They are much more entertaining. At first google: table tennis Chinese trials 2016. These ones are short (unless you watch uncut) but a good start.

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    You can only understand it when you do it.

    Like's been said, a loop is a stroke with a lot of spin upwards/forwards. You don't hit into the ball as much as you grab it and make it spin.

    However, you could be doing what you think is a loop when it's not. Hence why I think you really need to learn it yourself to understand it properly.

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    Yeah. It is hard to see. The contact on a drive is more direct and so is the impact. On a loop, the contact is much more tangential. The rubber grabs a small part of the edge of the ball and the ball sinks into the sponge only a certain amount.

    When watching the arc of the ball, a drive will be straighter and have less arc from the spin. A loop may not be quite as fast, but it will arc down towards the table more and accelerate off the bounce. After the bounce the loop could be going faster than a drive even though it was going slower before the bounce.

    From a counter-attack standpoint the spin of a good loop is often harder to counter than the pace of a fast drive.

    From a defensive standpoint this is usually the case too.

    From farther back a drive stays up more and starts to lose its pace. A good loop does not get as far back because the spin on the ball arcs the ball towards the ground after the bounce the same way it arcs the ball towards the table before the bounce.

    A drive loop has some of the characteristics of a drive and some of the characteristics of a loop.

    But, these things are very hard to see and understand if you can't do them. I remember seeing people loop before I could loop and really, just not understanding quite what I was looking at.

    No reason you can't try to see the difference though.


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    This is the first thing that came up when I googled "Table tennis slow motion".

    It's not extremely visible, but try to see the large arc the ball takes, and the acceleration after it hits the table. You won't see that too much in a drive, because drives don't have enough spin to cause those effects to the extent a loop can.

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    Drive : no spin
    Loop : high spin

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    Also, bear in mind that the Japanese, and possibly other nationalities, will call the loop a drive.

    "Duraibu" in Japanese just means loop, or topspin.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Archosaurus
    Also, bear in mind that the Japanese, and possibly other nationalities, will call the loop a drive.

    "Duraibu" in Japanese just means loop, or topspin.
    Actually, Japanese people will call it a loop.
    I know because
    1) I took Japanese for 4 years.
    2) I talk to Japanese people
    3) I watch Japanese Table Tennis Youtube videos. This one is really active https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC0M...PYv6GLOz854S7w

    It's just like English. They will call things loops, loop drives, drives, and topspins.

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    Darn it man, you're making Archie sounds like an @$$ again....

    Recently with the Chinese, and now with Japanese... What country/language/culture next in line to be butchered?

    What are we going to do with you guys?!?

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    Quote Originally Posted by songdavid98
    Actually, Japanese people will call it a loop.
    I know because
    1) I took Japanese for 4 years.
    2) I talk to Japanese people
    3) I watch Japanese Table Tennis Youtube videos. This one is really active https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC0M...PYv6GLOz854S7w

    It's just like English. They will call things loops, loop drives, drives, and topspins.
    Yes, because I said that the Japanese won't call it a loop or a topspin. I said that the Japanese commonly say "drive" but they don't always mean drive in the sense that we do. I think it's an older generation thing, because I'm starting to hear it less and less, at least online. You posted WRM, a modern TT channel and I can't remember anyone talking about "drives", at least.

    You said it's like English: do you mean people who speak English call heavy-topspin shots "drives" as well?

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    I found some Japanese videos that talks about the difference between "Speed Drive" and "Loop Drive". It seems that they would call a forward movement attack "Drive" but adding another word in front to differentiate them.



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    Difference between forehand drive and forehand loop?

    Come on Archo. Do you really want to turn this guys question into an argument about your....ahem...."expertise" in Japanese?

    The subject is the difference between a loop and a drive. Why are you turning this into a discussion on Japanese?

    Just drop it.


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    Quote Originally Posted by UpSideDownCarl
    Come on Archo. Do you really want to turn this guys question into an argument about your....ahem....your "expertise" in Japanese?

    The subject is the difference between a loop and a drive. Why are you turning this into a discussion on Japanese?

    Just drop it.


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    Yes, sorry about that. I re-read my post a few times, and I didn't express it quite clearly enough.

    I wasn't meaning to start an argument about technical terms: I was just pointing it out.

    However I mistakenly expressed it as "X is always called X" and not "X is sometimes called X". The latter would help the OP when he comes across the definition, the former has nothing to do with the topic.

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    Well, thanks for dropping the discussion about the nuances of Japanese everyone.

    Even in English I get the sense sometimes that someone uses the term drive to mean loop and loop to mean drive.

    I am not so concerned with names or language. But there is a shot where the blade moves in a way so that the rubber lightly brushes the ball and the ball sinks into the rubber but the racket is moving at such an angle that the ball doesn't really impact the blade much, if at all. And that shot gets A LOT OF SPIN. And that shot is usually called a loop.

    There is another shot where the racket moves directly into the ball with the racket at a slight angle. On this shot the ball compresses the rubber and sponge and impacts almost directly to the wood of the blade. In this shot some spin is generated and a lot of pace. And on that shot is called a drive.

    Then there is a shot half way between the two where there is some impact all the way into the wood but there is a more tangential angle of impact where a very decent amount of spin is generated but you also get some of the pace of a drive. This shot with the impact half way between a loop and a drive is sometimes called a loop-drive.

    But some people who use the term "power-loop" mean the loop drive. And other people who use the term "power-loop" mean a loop vs backspin with a MASSIVE amount of spin and pace.

    So, the terms don't really matter to me and they get conflated all the time. But the techniques are the techniques.

    And I feel like, a large percentage of the time, when someone who is under 1500 is talking about a "loop", usually they are really talking about a drive.

    Hopefully that information is helpful.


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