Blade recommendation

dangerhow said:

Hi,

I'm looking for a blade with a good flexibility and control but still fast enough. Right now I'm using Viscaria and I feel not enough dwell time because I'm a slow player. I've tried Fang Bo 2. It is good, but it is too head heavy for me and really vibrate a lot in my hand. I don't really like much vibration when choosing blade.

I'd like to train harder but I think it is too much for me because I have no time anymore for intense training. I'm wondering about Butterfly Marcos Freitas or Tiago Apolonia. Do you think both of them slower and controllable than Viscaria ? Or maybe you have something else to consider for me ?

Feel free to answer here. Any suggestions will be appreciated !!

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Fabian said:

If you'd like to have more dwell and more control but not thaaat much of vibration I'd go for a Clipper without WRB.

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NextLevel said:

IF you want to stay Butterfly, Tiago Appolonia is decent but it will have slightly more vibration (as does the Calix 2, but the Calix 2 feels more similar).

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Jimbob MacInbred said:

You could check out the Andro Ligna FR OFF. This is one of the blades I am going to buy next year. Unfortunately it is still a rather unknown blade, even though Dan and Tom reviewd it a few years back (you'll find it in the review section). It has a Kiri outer ply and according to them quite a lot of dwell and control (for a composite blade). I suppose it is made by Soulspin (so no problems regarding craftsmanship). It is in the price range of the Viscaria and regarding the throw it should pair nicely with your H3.

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OhWell said:

It almost seems like Andro also want to keep this blade under the radar (they bury info about it in their catalogue, but put next to nothing on their website..) Do you know if the composite layers are just carbon, or are they something like ALC?

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OhWell said:

You used to like Xiom Vega Euro (or Pro for koto) as a slower alternative to Viscaria/TBS, right? Would you also recommend it here?

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richrf said:

This is an interesting graph from TTgearlab.com that plots the distribution of vibration across the palm and fingers. So depending how you hold the racket (I hold it mostly at the finger tips), one might sense more or less vibration for any given blade, assuming that there is some degree of quality control for the blade.

http://ttgearlab.com/2017/03/25/characteristics-of-four-known-inner-fiber-blades-comparison/

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OhWell said:

Yeah those are super interesting. I’m not sure that Vp and Vl measure what people are normally talking about when they say a blade has too much “vibration”.

Reading through the excellent explanation of the indices on the blog, the author specifies that Vp and Vl have to do with the “level [amplitude?] of vibration” at the index and palm. I’m not sure, but I think this means at the moment of impact.

Thing is, and I might be wrong, but my understanding was that when people say a blade vibrates too much I think that they mean it vibrates for too long after the impact. The problem wouldn’t be that the impact is felt clearly (so high vibration close to the moment of impact) but instead that the blade keeps vibrating for too long after the impact.

(To illustrate, think of a drum vs a cymbal: snare drums can be louder, but for a very short duration. Whereas cymbals can keep resonating for a long time.)

That might explain why e.g. classic 5ply wood blades are usually considered to vibrate a lot, even though their Vp and Vi are lower than almost everything else ttgearlab measures.

This makes me want to ask ttgearlab for clarification!

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NextLevel said:

You are correct - Vp is the measure that most people are complaining about. Vi, or the vibration at the finger, is important for feel but not what most people are thinking about when they complain about vibrations.

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richrf said:

This is an interesting graph from TTgearlab.com that plots the distribution of vibration across the palm and fingers. So depending how you hold the racket (I hold it mostly at the finger tips), one might sense more or less vibration for any given blade, assuming that there is some degree of quality control for the blade.

http://ttgearlab.com/2017/03/25/characteristics-of-four-known-inner-fiber-blades-comparison/

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OhWell said:

Yeah those are super interesting. I’m not sure that Vp and Vl measure what people are normally talking about when they say a blade has too much “vibration”.

Reading through the excellent explanation of the indices on the blog, the author specifies that Vp and Vl have to do with the “level [amplitude?] of vibration” at the index and palm. I’m not sure, but I think this means at the moment of impact.

Thing is, and I might be wrong, but my understanding was that when people say a blade vibrates too much I think that they mean it vibrates for too long after the impact. The problem wouldn’t be that the impact is felt clearly (so high vibration close to the moment of impact) but instead that the blade keeps vibrating for too long after the impact.

(To illustrate, think of a drum vs a cymbal: snare drums can be louder, but for a very short duration. Whereas cymbals can keep resonating for a long time.)

That might explain why e.g. classic 5ply wood blades are usually considered to vibrate a lot, even though their Vp and Vi are lower than almost everything else ttgearlab measures.

This makes me want to ask ttgearlab for clarification!

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OhWell said:

What’s your take on whether the big concern with “too much” Vp is the level of the vibration or it’s duration? Is it as much a problem when blades vibrate clearly close to contact, but doesn’t last long at all?

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Fabian said:

I don’t trust this chart to be honest. I felt that the viscaria is a lot faster than the clipper CR.

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