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    Post re-visiting Neo Hurricane 3, provincial 37 and 38 degree

    Hello everyone

    I went to the local table tennis store and bought these rubbers. They are provincial versions, 37 and 38 degree. The owner recommended at least 39 for forehand but I hesitated and got 38 instead.

    Since many brands are now trying to work on a gripper top sheet, I thought I would try the good old hurricane and see how it is like now. Also, 37 degree Hurricane was not really a thing until lately.

    I have only trained for 1 session so far, so its really just a first impression. Also, I have not boosted the rubbers in any way or form. I want to see how the Neo version play.

    Forehand, 38 degree, black:
    - Drives are slow, controlled, and nothing too spectacular.
    - Blocks are slow and controlled but you need to adjust the bat angle more actively, since the top sheet is quite sticky.
    - Looping is something I need to explore a bit more. Partly because forehand is my weaker side. Coming from Faster G1, I need time to adjust my stroke. I do not know how long, but I am patient and willing to find out.
    - Counter drives over and close to the table is something I find VERY EASY to do with this rubber. I attribute it to the grippy top sheet and the softer than usual sponge which translate into plenty of dwell time (one can argue that it is too long). Next time I will go for the 39 degree. 38 degree may just be too soft. I don't mind it for now, since I will have to adjust my technique and it will probably encourage me to do more with my feet/legs.

    Backhand, 37 degree, red:
    - Drives, again, are nothing spectacular, but are slow and controlled.
    - Blocks can be performed quite well despite the sticky top sheet. Probably due to its soft sponge.
    - Opening-up/ lifting backspin off the table is VERY spinny. It very rewarding to be able to lift backspin and watch the opponent struggle to keep it in check. I do have to point out that the speed is slow, and its likely that more practise will allow for a more confident stroke, and therefore quicker/faster shots.
    - Recovery between different strokes feels challenging, a lot more training will be required.

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    Almost forgot to mention, blade is carbonado 45 weighing at 93g. I am not a fan of the white tag, so I am using it on my backhand.

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    Update:
    - after playing 4+ training sessions and 2 game nights
    - backhand open-ups against backspin is only getting spinier!
    - It does lack power. However since its so grippy and slow, it encourages me to really go for it on my backhand. Cant praise it enough if you are willing to work your backhand.
    - Forehand loops against long pimples are getting more interesting. Slow it is, but once again the spin makes up for everything.
    - I am starting to feel like 38 degree might be too soft for FH. It translate into long dwell/contact time. Its good for now, especially when I am re-developing my forehand technique.

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    Recently glued H3N H41 2.2 comm. black (FH) and H3N H37 2.15 comm. red (BH), both slightly boosted with 2 thin layers of Falco (not massive doming). The H41 is faster, still they feel similar, like family. I used to have Battle 2 H39 BS, which is good, and I knew I wanted a bit harder on FH. I didn't know whether H40 or H41. Took H41, also because when I spend these, I want to go for provincial H3 (non Neo) BS on FH, not sure H40 or H41 yet.

    The H41 feels a bit denser even than BlueGrip C1, which is ESN 60. This is strange because H3N H41 weights a bit less. The pores in sponges in both are so small that I can't say which has smaller. Probably H3. Still both H3 and C1/C2 have smaller pores than Rakza Z (also hybrid, ESN 50). C1 is a bit faster then H3N H41, more so on bounce test than in actual play. H3N H41 feels less forgiving - more sensitive on where exactly on the blade the ball contacts. That is a good thing for me.

    H37 on BH feels about right. C2 on BH is also good. I liked Rakza Z on BH too, more than Rakza X (which I liked more than Presto Spin, which I liked more than AK47 blue, which was still OK :-). C2 feels bit more linear than Rakza Z. Both are very good. Didn't try Rakza Z EH, I expect more bounciness, for BH I'd go normal Rakza Z (if I had to go Rakza). I also think H3N H37 lacks power, not sure how it will be in match play. If I end up not liking it, I'd go back to C2 or Rakza Z. I know this thread is not about C1/C2, Rakza, but in another thread about Xiom Omega 7 China you asked about it.

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    Thanks for your input!

    I too have started to use unboosted H3 Neo on my FH. The speed on a faster blade like Viscaria doesn't seem to be much of a problem and the rubber is very controllable. Great for focusing on spin and working on improving your strokes, and especially helpful for serves and the short game. I eventually want to try it on some of my other blades: Primorac OFF-, Korbel, IFLALC, Harimoto ALC, Mizutani ZLC.

    Might also have to try 37 on my BH.

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    Quote Originally Posted by thomas.pong
    Thanks for your input!

    I too have started to use unboosted H3 Neo on my FH. The speed on a faster blade like Viscaria doesn't seem to be much of a problem and the rubber is very controllable. Great for focusing on spin and working on improving your strokes, and especially helpful for serves and the short game. I eventually want to try it on some of my other blades: Primorac OFF-, Korbel, IFLALC, Harimoto ALC, Mizutani ZLC.

    Might also have to try 37 on my BH.

    Hi Thomas, interesting to see you using H3 Neo unboosted. Have you tried H3 (none Neo) unboosted too?


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    Quote Originally Posted by virtuososiu

    Hi Thomas, interesting to see you using H3 Neo unboosted. Have you tried H3 (none Neo) unboosted too?

    Hey, not yet, but I will be sometime next month.

    I think the Viscaria gives me the extra boost I need with unboosted H3 Neo right now.

    Do you boost your H3N's? You don't find 38 too soft on your FH?

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    I've been using Hurricane rubbers on my fh since I've started playing again three years ago. So far I've used H3N, H3, H3 Prov OS and H3N Prov OS, mostly mid hard. Currently I use Neo Prov OS in 39 and 40 deg on my two main 5ply off- blades and it works well, although I find 40 deg a tad too hard for a slower blade. A faster blade would definitely help here. I don't boost the Neos, I don't think it's necessary. What I find helpful is to choose the thickest sponge option (2.2mm) if you don't boost because this makes the rubber a bit easier to handle when you loop. I've also played with a boosted H3 (mid hard). Generally I think that most H3 users boost too much (three or four layers is really insane). I've only used one layer of Haifu Seamoon which I have applied directly to the sponge without a layer of glue. It felt a bit softer than an unboosted H3N at the beginning but apart from that I couldn't detect any other major differences. I think that there is a misconception about the effectiveness of boosters. It's not that you get a super fast magic H3 after boosting it with Haifu. I also like the hard linear feel of H3 and don't want a too soft and elastic rubber on my fh.

    I'd also like to try a 37degr H3 on my backhand in the future. I think I would put that on my H301 blade because the others are too slow.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MK73
    I've been using Hurricane rubbers on my fh since I've started playing again three years ago. So far I've used H3N, H3, H3 Prov OS and H3N Prov OS, mostly mid hard. Currently I use Neo Prov OS in 39 and 40 deg on my two main 5ply off- blades and it works well, although I find 40 deg a tad too hard for a slower blade. A faster blade would definitely help here. I don't boost the Neos, I don't think it's necessary. What I find helpful is to choose the thickest sponge option (2.2mm) if you don't boost because this makes the rubber a bit easier to handle when you loop. I've also played with a boosted H3 (mid hard). Generally I think that most H3 users boost too much (three or four layers is really insane). I've only used one layer of Haifu Seamoon which I have applied directly to the sponge without a layer of glue. It felt a bit softer than an unboosted H3N at the beginning but apart from that I couldn't detect any other major differences. I think that there is a misconception about the effectiveness of boosters. It's not that you get a super fast magic H3 after boosting it with Haifu. I also like the hard linear feel of H3 and don't want a too soft and elastic rubber on my fh.

    I'd also like to try a 37degr H3 on my backhand in the future. I think I would put that on my H301 blade because the others are too slow.
    Thickest sponge, absolutely agree, always MAX for me. I know people though, who really differentiate between 1.8 and 1.6... In boosting I think I still have things to learn, if you see the pictures in another thread, from harty and davidzhang, where the pimples nicely come out, I don't have that, do you? The 37deg on BH feels good. What I'd like to understand is, why do you say 40 is too hard on slower blade? Why not on faster blade? I just find this: the harder the sponge, the faster the rubber on FH, and also the softer the sponge, the easier to engage in BH spin. The difference is not enormous though, even between H37 and H41.

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    Harder sponge is like harder spring. I won't try to make any scientific explanation because brokenball won't be happy.

    Harder sponge allows you to absorb more energy before it bottoms out, and it will give more energy back.

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    Too bad, have not played for more than 3 wks now. Im a bit accustomed now to both sides h3 37. I just love the speed and spin on noth sides. The red one has a higher arc.
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    Quote Originally Posted by yogi_bear
    Too bad, have not played for more than 3 wks now. Im a bit accustomed now to both sides h3 37. I just love the speed and spin on noth sides. The red one has a higher arc.

    I am stilling loving h3 37 on backhand. However I find loop drive/kill harder to perform on the FH (with h3 37). Could be my technique or blade.

    I am trying H3 Provincial 39 (none Neo/ unboosted) on FH now. its a lot of work!

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    Quote Originally Posted by virtuososiu

    I am stilling loving h3 37 on backhand. However I find loop drive/kill harder to perform on the FH with h3 37. Could be my technique or blade.

    I do think that on FH, H3 is meant to be harder, minimum 38-39, otherwise it doesn't reach its optimal sponge/topsheet combination and it therefore lacks support.

    A blade like the Viscaria definitely provides a boost/support to my otherwise unboosted 38-40 commercial H3 Neo.

    Do you boost?

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    Quote Originally Posted by thomas.pong
    I do think that on FH, H3 is meant to be harder, minimum 38-39, otherwise it doesn't reach its optimal sponge/topsheet combination and it therefore lacks support.

    A blade like the Viscaria definitely provides a boost/support to my otherwise unboosted 38-40 commercial H3 Neo.

    Do you boost?

    I agree 40 boosted or 39 unboosted is great.

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    Quote Originally Posted by thomas.pong
    I do think that on FH, H3 is meant to be harder, minimum 38-39, otherwise it doesn't reach its optimal sponge/topsheet combination and it therefore lacks support.

    A blade like the Viscaria definitely provides a boost/support to my otherwise unboosted 38-40 commercial H3 Neo.

    Do you boost?

    No, I dont want to get into boosting. Not that I mind the work, but its more the consistency. I was playing around with boosting few years back then, and sometimes it got too soft, other times it didnt feel right.

    I want to see if I can just use it as is on my Carbonado 45

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    I want to see if I can just use it as is on my Carbonado 45
    Carbonado 45 looks like a really interesting blade, like a tiny bit faster HL5. Can you by chance compare it to HL5, TB ALC/Viscaria, other Carbonado, or some other blade?

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    Quote Originally Posted by virtuososiu

    No, I dont want to get into boosting. Not that I mind the work, but its more the consistency. I was playing around with boosting few years back then, and sometimes it got too soft, other times it didnt feel right.

    I want to see if I can just use it as is on my Carbonado 45

    If you don’t want to boost you could also give H8 a try, hard or mid-hard sponges available, a little faster than H3N provincial, tack wears off after a while, but this just seems to make it better!! Spin is also good. Excels when looping on FH.
    H8 was the first DHS rubber I tried, liked it a lot, then gave H3N provincial 40 deg, 2.15 orange sponge a go, unboosted, liked this as well, they are pretty similar to each other. A boosted H3N would be even closer speed wise.
    On the price side of things, H8 is cheaper than the H3N provincial rubbers, I also found that the 1st 2 sheets of the H3N provincial rubbers I bought were fairly fragile, slightest knock and pimples chipped off, maybe a bad batch, haven’t noticed this with the 37 deg sheets I have.
    So for less bucks you get a rubber pretty much the same as H3N provincial!!!
    You still have to work hard with H8 though!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by virtuososiu

    No, I dont want to get into boosting. Not that I mind the work, but its more the consistency. I was playing around with boosting few years back then, and sometimes it got too soft, other times it didnt feel right.

    I want to see if I can just use it as is on my Carbonado 45

    Another thing worth trying is using multiple layers of glue!! Enough so you can see the glue layer!! For example 2 or 3 on the blade, 2/3/4 on the sponge, another reason for the 2.15mm sponge, if you use a soft glue like DHS No15 it stays soft and elastic, sort of adds another rubber layer under the sponge!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by virtuososiu

    No, I dont want to get into boosting. Not that I mind the work, but its more the consistency. I was playing around with boosting few years back then, and sometimes it got too soft, other times it didnt feel right.

    I want to see if I can just use it as is on my Carbonado 45

    Yea, I'm not interested in boosting yet either. I think H3 is already very good as is for my current needs, and a lot of people's needs.

    Hope it works for you on your Carbonado.

    For me, I definitely need the little extra kick of the Viscaria to back it up which is why I started using that blade again that I wouldn't necessarily use with a tensor or spring sponge on the FH otherwise.

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    Quote Originally Posted by thomas.pong
    I do think that on FH, H3 is meant to be harder, minimum 38-39, otherwise it doesn't reach its optimal sponge/topsheet combination and it therefore lacks support.

    A blade like the Viscaria definitely provides a boost/support to my otherwise unboosted 38-40 commercial H3 Neo.

    Do you boost?

    What do you play on backhand on the Viscaria? I've been testing around quite a lot with bh esn/tensor rubbers in combination with H3 on fh.


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    Quote Originally Posted by MK73

    What do you play on backhand on the Viscaria? I've been testing around quite a lot with bh esn/tensor rubbers in combination with H3 on fh.

    I'm currently using Tenergy 05 FX in 1.9mm on my BH which seems to work just fine. Since I mostly picked up my Viscaria again to test how H3 would feel on it, and it immediately felt like a great pairing, I've yet to test a bunch of rubbers on it for my BH. I tried T05 on it and that just felt too hard, I now want to try T80 on it, as well as Fastarc G-1 and C-1. Whichever one of these 3 rubbers + T05 FX allows me to hit hardest with plenty of spin while still lending on the table consistently will stay on my BH.

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