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    I've never seen a lefty defender

    Been scratching my head all day to recall just one , at any level and I can't find any ...

    I remember telling my coach once about a 2100 points guy winning against the best defender in France who is about 2700 ... my coach told me while it is still a surprise, but lefty attackers like our 2100 guy have a bit more advantage over rightt attackers from the same level playing against righty defenders. I think this is why , lefty wanna-be-defenders realise early on this is not good playing all the time against majority right-handed players , I would appreciate it if someone has a video of such rare specimen

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    OP: Left-handed choppers do not exist.
    Liu Song: YES!!!
    Higashi: Japan exists.



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    Naa, come on LIU not so much and the other guy was an old timer like me, he don't count 😁.

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    Hello from Taiwan.

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    Quote Originally Posted by zeio
    OP: Left-handed choppers do not exist.
    Liu Song: YES!!!
    Higashi: Japan exists.



    Only the second video counts,but thats confirm my observation because it looks soooooo weird


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    Hello from Taiwan.

    well this one the only lefty is clarly an attacker


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    Why is it bad for a lefty to be a defender?

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    Why is it bad for a lefty to be a defender?

    according to my theory based on my coach comment: Since the majority of players are right-handed, a left-handed defender will have a hard-time progressing and finishes by quitting all over or just changing the style


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    I see the OP's definition of defender is even stricter than mine. Aside from attacking on both FH and BH way too much, I don't regard Mikhailova as a chopper because her strokes are consistently shorter and more horizontal than others, hence the term "mid-distance pushes". The difference is really obvious from the side angle at WTT Contender Doha.

    https://youtu.be/oTdyyo6X5TU?t=270
    https://youtu.be/6saL_-CZ1fU?t=620

    However, Liu Song is a different story. Staying close to the table, he usually plays the stroke of 切(cut) in Mandarin, or 閘(guillotine) in Cantonese, or chop-block in English, but he chops when necessary, especially when forced away or out of position. If he's not considered a chopper/defender, then Filus, Gionis, Chen Weixing, Hou Yingchao et al. should not be either as they don't chop at all on the FH but instead loops aggressively, often using the stroke of 兜/兜拉(wrap/wrap-loop) in Mandarin if they can't attack. Filus at WTT Star Contender is a prime example. Old-school defenders are dead at the world level and a dying breed below. Modern defenders are not that far off. Find me another Ding Song or Joo Sehyuk who chops on the FH. And you expect to see left-handed old-school defenders?

    And for the dude from Taiwan, if you've ever seen a defender vs defender match, then either they both play defense until expedite rule kicks in or one of them plays offense.

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    I have a loosely based theory that left handed players have the advantage of serve against right handed players as beginners so they get easier returns and start to run around and kill the ball with the forehand so many left handed players become somewhat forehand oriented? 😀

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    my first coach (in France) was a lefty defender, a very good one !!

    hope he's still in good health. If so, he must be a very old man now

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    Christian Martin? He was a lefty defender, played for the French national team in the 70s and 80s.Some (good) footage of him at the start of this video:

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    Yup Christian Martin is a good example of lefty defenders ... downsides: vs righties the major issue is the FH loops with some sidepspin trajectories that are pushing lefties BH chops WAY OUTSIDE the table ! they have to cover a way much bigger area, more physical game, more footwork, it's tiring. Right FH loops vs Right BH chops don't push them so far outside, only heavy sidespin BH loops would do that, and it's not what offensive players do unnless it's... Kreanga.

    There's a 1700 righty LP defender at my club (=2200 USATT) who loves training with me for that exact matter: I've got a strong BH loop that I can repeat again and again, as I'm a righty too it pushes him far more outside, so he has to travel more to catch the ball.

    EDIT: bear in mind that at that time, the french team had also... Jacques Secrétin, lefty offensive player, so Christian Martin mostly trained with him, It's France's trademark: many lefties have always been in the national team
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    France has been team world finalist VS China, silver medal so, in 1997 with 3 lefties in its squad ! says a lot: Gatien, Chila, Legoût. That's why France has produced more lefty defenders at a high level.

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    Here's a 2-part video interview with Ding Song on the difficulties and future prospects for choppers and defenders alike and his own journey to becoming one. Various players such as Chen Xinhua, Joo Sehyuk(Zhu Shihe in Mandarin) and Hou Yingchao, techniques, tactics, equipment, and training etc. are touched on. The translation could be a little off here and there but overall gets the message across.

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    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lq2pNLv0ENk

    https://youtu.be/GuyyA4sV6sI?t=470
    Choppers need to abandon conventional notions which doesn't mean basic foundation is not important, but players need to get in touch with much more advanced training to let them know there's other ways to chop. People believe choppers can attack only after a good chop at first, but some players do have the desire to attack, like me. Try to win with that old-fashioned notion is literally difficult.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lula
    I have a loosely based theory that left handed players have the advantage of serve against right handed players as beginners so they get easier returns and start to run around and kill the ball with the forehand so many left handed players become somewhat forehand oriented? 😀


    I think other way, all left handed players have very good BH

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    Quote Originally Posted by piligrim


    I think other way, all left handed players have very good BH

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    I think other way, all left handed players have very good BH


    Until they win a world championship with mostly their pivot forehand like Gatien did ... Lebesson is also pivot FH oriented, his BH is kinda... weak, as he's won a European Championship I guess it counts too.


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