19th Asian Games Hangzhou

[zeio]

WD QF
Harimoto/Kihara 2-1 SYS/WMY (9, -5, 7
20, 22, 42 corner edge for JPN, 52, 57, 67, 68, 88, 89, 119
01, 11, 12, 32 dead net for JPN, 42, 46, 56, 511
02, 42, 43 dribbling net for CHN, 53 net for JPN, 54, 64, 66, 106, 107, 117
10, 11 Harimoto missed the killer, 12, 22, 23, 53 TO for CHN, 63, 68, 78 epic BH oldschool flick from Harimoto, 88 WMY missed the FH loopkill on Harimoto's chiquita, 89, 119
Bronze minimum for Harimoto/Kihara.

MS QF
LJH 0-4 WCQ (-6, -6, -5, -5)
02, 12, 13, 43, 44, 65, 611
21, 23, 43, 45, 55, 59, 69, 611
04, 15, 25, 26, 36, 39, 49, 410, 510, 511
03 TO for LJH, 13, 14, 25, 26, 36, 37, 57, 511

JWJ 4-3 Harimoto (-8, -10, -8, 9, 17, 4, 8)
02, 22, 26, 36, 37, 67, 68, 88, 811
20, 22, 42, 43 slight side edge for Harimoto, 44 net for Harimoto, 54, 55, 65, 66, 86 net for JWJ, 89, 109, 1011 slight mishit from Harimoto, 1012
04, 14, 17, 47 TO for Harimoto, 67, 68, 69, 79, 710, 810 faint endline edge for JWJ, 811
10, 11, 22, 32, 33, 53, 54 TO for JWJ, 55, 65, 67, 97, 98, 108, 109, 119
05, 15, 16, 26, 27, 37, 38, 58, 59, 109, 1010, 1011 side edge for Harimoto, 1111, 1112, 1212, 1213, 1413, 1414, 1514, 1515 medical TO for Harimoto, 1516, 1716, 1717, 1917
01, 51, 53, 63, 64, 114
10, 11, 21, 22, 32, 35, 65, 66, 86, 88, 118
Bronze minimum for JWJ.

JJH/SYB 3-1 CSY/Huang Yi-Hua (-9, 6, 6, 4)
03, 43, 44, 54, 55, 65, 67, 87, 89, 99, 911
10, 13, 33, 34, 44, 46, 116
01, 14, 24, 35, 45, 46, 76 TO for TPE, 116
10, 22, 42, 43, 63, 64, 114

FZD 4-0 CCY (7, 8, 1, 4)

S. Mukherjee/A. Mukherjee 3-1 CM/WYD (5, 5, -5, 9)
85, 115
13, 83, 85, 115
20, 21, 31, 33, 43, 46, 56, 511
20, 21, 31, 32, 42, 44, 64 TO for CHN, 84 dribbling net for IND, 85 TO for IND, 95, 96 endline edge for CHN, 106, 107, 108 S. Mukherjee missed the popup BH smash, 109, 119
Bronze minimum for S. Mukherjee/A. Mukherjee.
0 medals for CHN in WD.

Cha Suyong/Pak Sugyong 3-2 DHK/Zhu Chengzhu (10, -8, -6, 6, 8)
77, 78, 98, 99, 109, 1010, 1210 epic point
04, 14, 15, 25, 27, 37, 38, 58, 510, 810, 811
03, 23, 24, 44, 45, 55, 56, 66, 611
10, 11, 31, 32, 52, 53, 73, 74, 84, 106, 116
01, 12, 13, 43 TO for HKD, 44, 84, 85 TO for PRK, 95, 96, 106, 108, 118
Bronze minimum for Cha Suyong/Pak Sugyong

LYJ 3-4 WCT (-11, 8, 7, -9, 9, -9, -8)
1110, 1113
20, 25, 45, 46, 66, 67 slight net for WCT but epic point, 107, 108, 118
10, 13, 33 endline edge for LYJ, 43, 44, 54, 55, 85, 86, 106, 107, 117
10, 11, 31, 33, 43, 46, 56, 57, 67, 69, 89 TO for WCT, 99, 911
10, 11 corner edge for WCT, 12, 22, 23 slight FH mishit for WCT, 53, 54, 74 WCT served into the net, 76 TO for LYJ, 86, 88, 108, 109, 119
03, 43, 44, 54, 55, 65, 67, 87, 810, 910, 911 corner edge for WCT
02, 12, 13, 23, 25, 35, 36, 46 corner edge for LYJ, 47, 77, 710, 810, 811
Bronze minimum for WCT.

 

[Gozo Zyreruna]

https://www.freemalaysiatoday.com/category/highlight/2023/09/30/malaysian-squash-girls-clinch-team-gold-in-asian-games/

Malaysia is just not good in Table Tennis. Sigh!!!

 

[Takkyu_wa_inochi]

WD QF
Harimoto/Kihara 3-1 SYS/WMY (9, -5, 7, 9)
20, 22, 42 corner edge for JPN, 52, 57, 67, 68, 88, 89, 119
01, 11, 12, 32 dead net for JPN, 42, 46, 56, 511
02, 42, 43 dribbling net for CHN, 53 net for JPN, 54, 64, 66, 106, 107, 117
10, 11 Harimoto missed the killer, 12, 22, 23, 53 TO for CHN, 63, 68, 78 epic BH oldschool flick from Harimoto, 88 WMY missed the FH loopkill on Harimoto's chiquita, 89, 119
Bronze minimum for Harimoto/Kihara.

MS QF
LJH 0-4 WCQ (-6, -6, -5, -5)
02, 12, 13, 43, 44, 65, 611
21, 23, 43, 45, 55, 59, 69, 611
04, 15, 25, 26, 36, 39, 49, 410, 510, 511
03 TO for LJH, 13, 14, 25, 26, 36, 37, 57, 511

JWJ 4-3 Harimoto (-8, -10, -8, 9, 17, 4, 8)
02, 22, 26, 36, 37, 67, 68, 88, 811
20, 22, 42, 43 slight side edge for Harimoto, 44 net for Harimoto, 54, 55, 65, 66, 86 net for JWJ, 89, 109, 1011 slight mishit from Harimoto, 1012
04, 14, 17, 47 TO for Harimoto, 67, 68, 69, 79, 710, 810 faint endline edge for JWJ, 811
10, 11, 22, 32, 33, 53, 54 TO for JWJ, 55, 65, 67, 97, 98, 108, 109, 119
05, 15, 16, 26, 27, 37, 38, 58, 59, 109, 1010, 1011 side edge for Harimoto, 1111, 1112, 1212, 1213, 1413, 1414, 1514, 1515 medical TO for Harimoto, 1516, 1716, 1717, 1917
01, 51, 53, 63, 64, 114
10, 11, 21, 22, 32, 35, 65, 66, 86, 88, 118
Bronze minimum for JWJ.

JJH/SYB 3-1 CSY/Huang Yi-Hua (-9, 6, 6, 4)
03, 43, 44, 54, 55, 65, 67, 87, 89, 99, 911
10, 13, 33, 34, 44, 46, 116
01, 14, 24, 35, 45, 46, 76 TO for TPE, 116
10, 22, 42, 43, 63, 64, 114
Bronze minimum for JJH/SYB.

Harimoto got injured at G5 15-15. He was limping from G6 and it’s a miracle he scored 8 points in G7. If he had won it would have been a match for history

At the end of G6 his coaches told him there was no shame in quitting but Harimoto refused to do so. His sharp pushes and blocks as well as his serves enabled him to give him a 5-3 lead and to stay in the match till the very bitter end (for him)

Coach Tasei had to carry him out

 

[Takkyu_wa_inochi]

Where can we watch the games live?

in Japan on TV, TBS is covering the games, showing matches with Japanese athletes in various disciplines. That’s where I’ve been watching a few matches

fortunately in TT Japanese players go a little deep

 

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[zeio]

China out in WD.

 

[SFF_lib]

Well done the Indian team has knocked out China’s No.1 women’s double

 

[dingyibvs]

Liang Jingkun/Lin Gaoyuan out of MD as well! A lot of surprises this tournament!

 

[turbozed]

WD QF
Harimoto/Kihara 2-1 SYS/WMY (9, -5, 7
20, 22, 42 corner edge for JPN, 52, 57, 67, 68, 88, 89, 119
01, 11, 12, 32 dead net for JPN, 42, 46, 56, 511
02, 42, 43 dribbling net for CHN, 53 net for JPN, 54, 64, 66, 106, 107, 117
10, 11 Harimoto missed the killer, 12, 22, 23, 53 TO for CHN, 63, 68, 78 epic BH oldschool flick from Harimoto, 88 WMY missed the FH loopkill on Harimoto's chiquita, 89, 119
Bronze minimum for Harimoto/Kihara.

MS QF
LJH 0-4 WCQ (-6, -6, -5, -5)
02, 12, 13, 43, 44, 65, 611
21, 23, 43, 45, 55, 59, 69, 611
04, 15, 25, 26, 36, 39, 49, 410, 510, 511
03 TO for LJH, 13, 14, 25, 26, 36, 37, 57, 511

JWJ 4-3 Harimoto (-8, -10, -8, 9, 17, 4, 8)
02, 22, 26, 36, 37, 67, 68, 88, 811
20, 22, 42, 43 slight side edge for Harimoto, 44 net for Harimoto, 54, 55, 65, 66, 86 net for JWJ, 89, 109, 1011 slight mishit from Harimoto, 1012
04, 14, 17, 47 TO for Harimoto, 67, 68, 69, 79, 710, 810 faint endline edge for JWJ, 811
10, 11, 22, 32, 33, 53, 54 TO for JWJ, 55, 65, 67, 97, 98, 108, 109, 119
05, 15, 16, 26, 27, 37, 38, 58, 59, 109, 1010, 1011 side edge for Harimoto, 1111, 1112, 1212, 1213, 1413, 1414, 1514, 1515 medical TO for Harimoto, 1516, 1716, 1717, 1917
01, 51, 53, 63, 64, 114
10, 11, 21, 22, 32, 35, 65, 66, 86, 88, 118
Bronze minimum for JWJ.

JJH/SYB 3-1 CSY/Huang Yi-Hua (-9, 6, 6, 4)
03, 43, 44, 54, 55, 65, 67, 87, 89, 99, 911
10, 13, 33, 34, 44, 46, 116
01, 14, 24, 35, 45, 46, 76 TO for TPE, 116
10, 22, 42, 43, 63, 64, 114

FZD 4-0 CCY (7, 8, 1, 4)

S. Mukherjee/A. Mukherjee 3-1 CM/WYD (5, 5, -5, 9)
85, 115
13, 83, 85, 115
20, 21, 31, 33, 43, 46, 56, 511
20, 21, 31, 32, 42, 44, 64 TO for CHN, 84 dribbling net for IND, 85 TO for IND, 95, 96 endline edge for CHN, 106, 107, 108 S. Mukherjee missed the popup BH smash, 109, 119
Bronze minimum for S. Mukherjee/A. Mukherjee.
0 medals for CHN in WD.

Cha Suyong/Pak Sugyong 3-2 DHK/Zhu Chengzhu (10, -8, -6, 6, 8)
77, 78, 98, 99, 109, 1010, 1210 epic point
04, 14, 15, 25, 27, 37, 38, 58, 510, 810, 811
03, 23, 24, 44, 45, 55, 56, 66, 611
10, 11, 31, 32, 52, 53, 73, 74, 84, 106, 116
01, 12, 13, 43 TO for HKD, 44, 84, 85 TO for PRK, 95, 96, 106, 108, 118
Bronze minimum for Cha Suyong/Pak Sugyong

What's the story behind the Kihara/Harimoto pairing and Nagasaki being now paired with Hirano?

I remember watching some TV Tokyo interview with Kihara/Nagasaki just a few months ago where they're remembering their gold medal performance at World Tour Grand Finals. Seemed like there was a lot of history so wondering if there was any resistance or disappointment to the change.

 

[zeio]

No MS medal for Harimoto and LYJ.
Yet, MS medal for JWJ and WCT!

 

[Tony's Table Tennis]

And that's why I'd been telling Ishikawa

wow
is she a regular member on mytt?

 

[zeio]

What's the story behind the Kihara/Harimoto pairing and Nagasaki being now paired with Hirano?

I remember watching some TV Tokyo interview with Kihara/Nagasaki just a few months ago where they're remembering their gold medal performance at World Tour Grand Finals. Seemed like there was a lot of history so wondering if there was any resistance or disappointment to the change.

AFAIK, the JTTA has not revealed the reasoning.

I guess they are trying out possible pairs (with Hirano) for Paris 2024, which is a really bold move given the weight of ATTC 2023 and Asian Games 2022. Now it's confirmed Harimoto is a choice better than Ito for WT.

http://mytabletennis.net/forum/foru...7&title=wtt-contender-tunis-2022-8-16#1129907

If you ask me, Ito is the one that's the most disappointing, other than Ishikawa.

At the WTT Champions, even Yan An commented that Hayata played much better without being held back by Ito in WD.

Hayata and now Harimoto are the 2 most valuable JNT players, who can play in WS/WD/XD w/ various partners. Ito's value has greatly diminished in this cycle, and at this point, she is just hoarding up Hayata and Uda. Hayata has won titles w/ Hirano/Miwa's brother/Togami.

 

[NextLevel]

Liang Jingkun/Lin Gaoyuan out of MD as well! A lot of surprises this tournament!

Not really, those are not Olympic events, so they don't factor as heavily in China's prep and evaluation. If MD and WD become Olympic events then we will see all these upsets evaporate.

 

[zeio]

China has significantly cut back on doubles training since it was replaced by team event at Beijing 2008. Similarly, LGL even said they never trained for XD before it became a new event at Tokyo 2020. At the WTTC 2009, as a gesture and part of the program called 养狼计划 (Wolf-Raising Plan, akin to an exchange program which involves sending out coaches all over the world) by Cai Zhenhua, they even "gave away" the XD by sending the weakest teams and yet still won gold, silver and bronze.

 

[NextLevel]

What about world championships?

World Championships is not the Olympics, but if China prioritizes those events for WTTC prep, you will know. Remember that before XD became an Olympic event, they even let their best doubles player, XX, pair with Yang Haeun of Korea. Then in WTTC 2021, they let their players pair with Americans as a good will gesture and I think that got Lily an XD medal if I remember rightly ( of course their top team still won). Don't get me wrong, it is not that they want to lose those events, but the focus on those events is much lighter. The teams are formed more randomly and the training is far less. Also, WTTC, in addition to having a history, plays a role in selecting for Olympics in the singles and teams. The WD and MD, not so much, they just test combinations to keep the players fresh for the teams doubles.

 

[Robin0910]

World Championships is not the Olympics, but if China prioritizes those events for WTTC prep, you will know. Remember that before XD became an Olympic event, they even let their best doubles player, XX, pair with Yang Haeun of Korea. Then in WTTC 2021, they let their players pair with Americans as a good will gesture and I think that got Lily an XD medal if I remember rightly ( of course their top team still won). Don't get me wrong, it is not that they want to lose those events, but the focus on those events is much lighter. The teams are formed more randomly and the training is far less. Also, WTTC, in addition to having a history, plays a role in selecting for Olympics in the singles and teams. The WD and MD, not so much, they just test combinations to keep the players fresh for the teams doubles.

Surely it’s less important but they always organise simulation matches and tournaments so it must also be important. Even Asian games which are held every 4 years are sorta important. They wouldn’t send doubles pairs who weren’t likely to win or at least reach the finals.

 

[NextLevel]

Surely it’s less important but they always organise simulation matches and tournaments so it must also be important. Even Asian games which are held every 4 years are sorta important. They wouldn’t send doubles pairs who weren’t likely to win or at least reach the finals.

What were the major simulations matches for doubles that you know of? And in preparation for what event?

Of course they sent their top teams - these teams I believe were the same teams sent to the Asian Table Tennis Championships a few weeks ago. But these are not critical events. The loss of WCQ at the Asian Table Tennis Championships is a far bigger deal that these losses, even though because of the number of entrants, China still dominated the medal standings. The main point is that if there isn't an Olympics dimension to an event, the event is not as big a focus for CNT because the Olympics is where table tennis gets global visibility. WTTC not so much.

 

[Robin0910]

What were the major simulations matches for doubles that you know of? And in preparation for what event?

Of course they sent their top teams - these teams I believe were the same teams sent to the Asian Table Tennis Championships a few weeks ago. But these are not critical events. The loss of WCQ at the Asian Table Tennis Championships is a far bigger deal that these losses, even though because of the number of entrants, China still dominated the medal standings. The main point is that if there isn't an Olympics dimension to an event, the event is not as big a focus for CNT because the Olympics is where table tennis gets global visibility. WTTC not so much.

They always organise simulation events for WTTC and of course Olympics. Probably the Marvellous 12 was the last very known one but that was mainly singles. You can find a bunch on yt for Durban or for the ongoing Asian games, for example Ma Long WQC vs FZD LGY, etc…

 

[Tony's Table Tennis]

There is MD (and WD) in teams event at the OG, let us not forget that.
How I remember the old days with Doubles and XD

 

[NextLevel]

They always organise simulation events for WTTC and of course Olympics. Probably the Marvellous 12 was the last very known one but that was mainly singles. You can find a bunch on yt for Durban or for the ongoing Asian games, for example Ma Long WQC vs FZD LGY, etc…

So they got the two teams going to play Asian Champs to play each other and that is preparation? Or are you just confusing that match which was the finals of the Asian Champs with prep for the Asian games?

In any case, we are a point of impasse. You can believe what you want. The CNT doesn't prioritize preparation for non-Olympic events as highly as it does the Olympic ones.