19th Asian Games Hangzhou

[Robin0910]

So they got the two teams going to play Asian Champs to play each other and that is preparation? Or are you just confusing that match which was the finals of the Asian Champs with prep for the Asian games?

In any case, we are a point of impasse. You can believe what you want. The CNT doesn't prioritize preparation for non-Olympic events as highly as it does the Olympic ones.

 

[NextLevel]

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Thanks, so this is a preparation match. Let's note that neither of these teams is playing the Asian Games as a doubles team on the Men's side. Give that some thought.

These were the teams that played the Asian Championships. But again, I am at a point where there is little of substance to contribute than what has already been written which has clearly failed to move the needle with you.

 

[Robin0910]

Thanks, so this is a preparation match. Let's note that neither of these teams is playing the Asian Games as a doubles team on the Men's side. Give that some thought.

These were the teams that played the Asian Championships. But again, I am at a point where there is little of substance to contribute than what has already been written which has clearly failed to move the needle with you.

I know that the Olympics is the most important but that’s no reason for losing other matches. Also, as Tony stated above, there are MD and WD in teams events.

 

[zeio]

Hirano/Nagasaki: Did we lose our partners just now?
Harimoto/Kihara: Yes

 

[NextLevel]

There is MD (and WD) in teams event at the OG, let us not forget that.
How I remember the old days with Doubles and XD

I said as much, Tony. If you think that China places the same emphasis on MD and WD as it does on other events, that is fine.

I know that the Olympics is the most important but that’s no reason for losing other matches. Also, as Tony stated above, there are MD and WD in teams events.

The CNT are not robots, they need to be realistic about their investments into the preparation of their players. When you say "no reason", you are acting like these players don't have limitations. The Wang Manyu and Sun Yingsha loss will be taken more seriously because it is related to a potential pairing they might face in a Teams event. But no, not all losses are given equal weight. These are the lowest priority CNT events. That said India might field an all pips team at the Olympics and then China might have to prepare for them. But it definitely is not the same as losing the Teams event itself (and honestly, I am a bit surprised that the Asian Games hasn't realigned itself with the Olympics but maybe they just love their TT).

I just showed you based on what you posted that they prepared for the Asian Games with teams that did not play in the event. But it gives you no pause.

 

[Robin0910]

I said as much, Tony. If you think that China places the same emphasis on MD and WD as it does on other events, that is fine.

The CNT are not robots, they need to be realistic about their investments into the preparation of their players. When you say "no reason", you are acting like these players don't have limitations. The Wang Manyu and Sun Yingsha loss will be taken more seriously because it is related to a potential pairing they might face in a Teams event. But no, not all losses are given equal weight. These are the lowest priority CNT events. That said India might field an all pips team at the Olympics and then China might have to prepare for them. But it definitely is not the same as losing the Teams event itself (and honestly, I am a bit surprised that the Asian Games hasn't realigned itself with the Olympics but maybe they just love their TT).

I just showed you based on what you posted that they prepared for the Asian Games with teams that did not play in the event. But it gives you no pause.

That was a picture of one video. There are multiple others, also you claimed the CNT didn‘t place as much emphasis on these events and olympics thats true, it’s the same for every country. Everybody competes for the olympics ultimately, the ranking system is for that too. But that doesn’t mean that the players or the coaches don’t put as much effort in their game and tactics as they’d do at the Olympics. They lost because they had a bad day or because they hadn‘t met the opposing pair before, etc. but not because of the CNT‘s principle. They prepared just as much as they would for more important tournaments, took it as seriously as other tournaments and were granted the same conditions as they were before WTTC or Olympics with the warm-up games, practice tourneys and others. Also, there’s much more money in table tennis in China than in any other country, so they have the resources. And that game shown in the video was held before the ATTC so it was a warm-up match and tournament for that too.

 

[igorponger]

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[NextLevel]

That was a picture of one video. There are multiple others, also you claimed the CNT didn‘t place as much emphasis on these events and olympics thats true, it’s the same for every country. Everybody competes for the olympics ultimately, the ranking system is for that too. But that doesn’t mean that the players or the coaches don’t put as much effort in their game and tactics as they’d do at the Olympics. They lost because they had a bad day or because they hadn‘t met the opposing pair before, etc. but not because of the CNT‘s principle. They prepared just as much as they would for more important tournaments, took it as seriously as other tournaments and were granted the same conditions as they were before WTTC or Olympics with the warm-up games, practice tourneys and others. Also, there’s much more money in table tennis in China than in any other country, so they have the resources.

I didnt just claim it, I know it as a fact and what you presented was evidence of it which you are not combining to get a full picture. Why is China changing teams between the Asian Champs and th Asian Games if they are taking the event that seriously? Why is Ma Long not partnering with Wang Chuqin since that is the likely Olympic partnership? At the champs, Sun Yingsha partnered with Wang Yidi I believe so they have switched partners for the Asian games. Is that how a country taking an event seriously prepares?

Nothing you have written shows a familiarity with how China internally ranks the importance of events and player performance. And no, it is not the Same with every country. Japan for example fielded a team in Men's doubles that has virtually no chance of either player being a contender for a spot in the Olympics. Hina Hayata did not play any womens doubles, she only played singles and mixed doubles, in the latter she and Harimoto lost to one of the Chinese teams. Korea on the other hand, has fielded it's best doubles men's and women's team consistently across all the events (Games and Championships and even WTTC).

These are professional athletes, everyone wants to win, but trust me, if MD or WD were Olympic events, the level of seriousness China would bring to resting players and forming the teams and scouting opponents would be a completely different level. Right now, they legitimately don't take the losses as amounting to much.

 

[zeio]

Off the top of my head, LJK has actually lost a few doubles matches in major events but still the CNT wasn't too concerned, much to the chagrin of the fanboys and fangirls.

It's a warning sign on the women's side, though, given SYS/WMY and CM/WYD are the former and reigning WTTC Champions and that 3 of them will play Paris 2024. As LGL pointed out when assessing the danger level of the 5 events before Tokyo 2020, he just needed a score of 2-2 after winning the doubles in the team event, but the MT and WT were still the least in danger. The fact that they chose WYD for WS of Asian Games, by slightly bending the rules that they came up, is a telltale sign they aren't that concerned.

After losing the XD gold at Tokyo 2020, many Tieba users and Douban users agree that losing once in a while may actually be a good thing. The only time XX lost to Mizutani was at Rio 2016 and XX/LSW never lost to Mizutani/Ito before Tokyo 2020.

Team World Cup 2019
XX/LJK 2-3 JYS/LSS

WTTC 2021
LJK/LGY 0-3 Falck/Karlsson

 

[Robin0910]

That was a picture of one video. There are multiple others, also you claimed the CNT didn‘t place as much emphasis on these events and olympics thats true, it’s the same for every country. Everybody competes for the olympics ultimately, the ranking system is for that too. But that doesn’t mean that the players or the coaches don’t put as much effort in their game and tactics as they’d do at the Olympics. They lost because they had a bad day or because they hadn‘t met the opposing pair before, etc. but not because of the CNT‘s principle. They prepared just as much as they would for more important tournaments, took it as seriously as other tournaments and were granted the same conditions as they were before WTTC or Olympics with the warm-up games, practice tourneys and others. Also, there’s much more money in table tennis in China than in any other country, so they have the resources.

I didnt just claim it, I know it as a fact and what you presented was evidence of it which you are not combining to get a full picture. Why is China changing teams between the Asian Champs and th Asian Games if they are taking the event that seriously?

Nothing you have written shows a familiarity with how China internally ranks the importance of events and player performance. And no, it is not the Same with every country. Japan for example fielded a team in Men's doubles that has virtually no chance of either player being a contender for a spot in the Olympics. Hina Hayata did not play any doubles, she only played singles and mixed doubles, in the latter she ans Harimoto lost to one of the Chinese teams. Korea on the other hand, has fielded it's best doubles men's team consistently across all the events (Games and Championships).

These are professional athletes, everyone wants to win, but trust me, if MD or WD were Olympic events, the level of seriousness China would bring to resting players and forming the teams and scouting opponents would be a completely different level. Right now, they legitimately don't take the losses as amounting to much.

By everyone I meant the olympics as the main objective, not that they all behave like China, of course they don’t. Also, yeah, they change pairs, they also mix among the mixed doubles pairs, even though it’s present at the olympics (They keep WCQ and SYS). And everything else I wrote above is true. They did have the opportunity to seize titles, medals. The CNT don’t care as much but the players do. Also, they had their strongest pairs in both MD with FNZ and WCQ and WD, one is still in as expected. They did switch for the ATTC but did they reach the finals? Yes. Here they have the strongest pairs. So what other factors make you believe that they don’t take this as seriously?

 

[Shine]

I think NextLevel is right that doubles ( MD, WD) is the event where the least priority is given. And that the content of some of their losses e.g the Women doubles losses here and in the WTTC show a significant dearth of preparation compared to what the CNT usually brings to the big stage.

I think Robin is right that they prepared for the doubles; probably as much as the other national associations, And it's a fair loss, because going by precedent since 2021 China has had a couple of big losses in doubles, so the world has caught up especially since China doesn't put much effort on training. Best of 5 also helps.

 

[NextLevel]

By everyone I meant the olympics as the main objective, not that they all behave like China, of course they don’t. Also, yeah, they change pairs, they also mix among the mixed doubles pairs, even though it’s present at the olympics (They keep WCQ and SYS). And everything else I wrote above is true. They did have the opportunity to seize titles, medals. The CNT don’t care as much but the players do. Also, they had their strongest pairs in both MD with FNZ and WCQ and WD, one is still in as expected. They did switch for the ATTC but did they reach the finals? Yes. Here they have the strongest pairs. So what other factors make you believe that they don’t take this as seriously?

They actually didnt switch their XD pairs for this event. Different events serve as qualifiers to different tournaments. Knowing why the pairs were selected and when they were selected and what events the winners qualify for would explain why the XD pairs were different. But at this point, I don't see any benefit in delving into it.

 

[igorponger]

Chinese should get troubles a lot once the Magic Eye detector comes in force. Looking forward to get the thing for laboratory trials.

 

[Robin0910]

Off the top of my head, LJK has actually lost a few doubles matches in major events but still the CNT wasn't too concerned, much to the chagrin of the fanboys and fangirls.

It's a warning sign on the women's side, though, given SYS/WMY and CM/WYD are the former and reigning WTTC Champions and that 3 of them will play Paris 2024. As LGL pointed out when assessing the danger level of the 5 events before Tokyo 2020, he just needed a score of 2-2 after winning the doubles in the team event, but the MT and WT were still the least in danger. The fact that they chose WYD for WS of Asian Games, by slightly bending the rules that they came up, is a telltale sign they aren't that concerned.

After losing the XD gold at Tokyo 2020, many Tieba users and Douban users agree that losing once in a while may actually be a good thing. The only time XX lost to Mizutani was at Rio 2016 and XX/LSW never lost to Mizutani/Ito before Tokyo 2020.

Team World Cup 2019
XX/LJK 2-3 JYS/LSS

WTTC 2021
LJK/LGY 0-3 Falck/Karlsson

Yes it makes sense, but WYD and WMY actually have higher win ratio in international events. Yes, I know WYD‘s ranking is lower and she lost to Hina Hayata at their last encounter (though it was an extremely tight match) but CM also has lost to foreigners, quite a few, mainly Europeans though, so their selection wasn’t too off. It’d have indeed been careless if they had chosen Chen Xington or Qian Tianyi. But we’ll se how she’ll perform against Hayata this time

 

[Gozo Zyreruna]

India WD beat CNT WD! Jai Hind!

 

[igorponger]

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Thanks for the stream but I wasn't expecting half naked guys in speedos. Did you intend on posting this in the "what are your other hobbies" thread?

 

[Tony's Table Tennis]

The problem with doubles for OG is that the Singles must be confirmed first.
Then you confirm the 3rd player for teams, then you confirm how to play the doubles in the teams.
Look at Japan, having 2 lefty doubles last time round.
I think for CNT womens, the paring - is going to be fine, no matter who pairs with who. Since there is Super league team mate pairing and the trying out of SYS and WMY.

For men's, I think it is certain that Ma Long will be going on as the 3rd player, unless someone out runs him in the next few months.
From my memory, CNT does prepare in doubles in Olympic cycles, especially in closed training and open prep tournaments.
Doubles used to be huge in CNT's WTTC preparations too. With previous CNT team management consisting mostly of doubles specialist too.

I also recall with the new teams format, someone from CNT was saying the importance of taking the first match.
And obviously with ABC or XYZ, the XYZ can only play its 2 singles at 2 and 5, which can even alter some teams doubles mixed up to ensure the 2 best players play inside the first 4 matches

 

[NextLevel]

Thanks for the stream but I wasn't expecting half naked guys in speedos. Did you intend on posting this in the "what are your other hobbies" thread?

The link actually works, it depends on what event is being broadcast at the time. It is China focused, so Sun Yingsha is on now.

 

[Takkyu_wa_inochi]

the link is working for me but the sound is out of sync. which VPN location are you using ?