27th ITTF-Asian Table Tennis Championships 2024, Astana, 10/7-13

[NextLevel]

Come on, any coach would do the same to a crying boy whether he played good or bad. It's just a common human nature.

Not so sure, there was some respect for the effort level there.

 

[pongfugrasshopper]

Same as last time. She has turned her focus to beating CNT players since 2023 (highest win rate against CNT players in 2022 and 2023 and against non-CNT players until early 2023), and she is the only one who has done as well as Harimoto in WT, beating 2 CNT players in 2024. The knee brace is there for a reason (tons of matches to catch up in WR after fending off Ito in selection trials). Their overall stats against non-CNT players, especially KNT, have gone down. 8 losses this year. 3 for Hirano, 2 for Ito and Kihara each, and 1 for Nagasaki. What RSM said back in early 2021 is starting to manifest.

LA 2028 Cycle
ATTC 2024
R32 Hirano 0-3 Lee Eunhye (-10, -15, -9)
China Smash 2024
R32 Hirano 2-3 Kim Nayeong (10, 13, -11, -9, -7) [For reference, R16 Ito 3-2 KNY, G5 5:9, 11:9]
WTT CS Macao 2024
R16 Ito 0-3 Joo Cheonhui (-7, -10, -7)
WTT CT Almaty 2024
R16 Kihara 1-3 Yoo Siwoo (-8, 11, -9, -10)

Paris 2024 Cycle
Paris 2024
QF Hirano 3-4 SYB (-4, -7, -5, 7, 8, 9, -11)
WTT CS Incheon 2024
R16 Ito 2-3 JJH (-9, 4, 6, -8, -6)
WTT SCT Ljubljana 2024
QF Kihara 2-3 SYB (-11, 5, -7, 11, -6)
R16 Nagasaki 1-3 SYB (-16, -5, 5, -2)

Hmmm.. somehow I get the feeling that we wouldn't hear the end of it had it been Hayata who lost to Lee Eunhye

So Hirano excels at certain statistics... just not the things that people care about like medaling at the Olympics or Asian Championships. You have to get through the early rounds in order to meet the top Chinese.

 

[backspacer]

I wish they would cut matches or posted individual matches. Even time stamps would be something. I couldn't catch the evening matches because I had to play myself. I guess you gotta give WTT credit for post livestream coverage.

 

[NextLevel]

PRK have not so quietly made XD their event.

 

[driversbeat]

Similar to Ayhika Mukherjee, Hirano is just better at team events than singles. I didn't expect her to go far and this early loss proves it once more.

Hmmm.. somehow I get the feeling that we wouldn't hear the end of it had it been Hayata who lost to Lee Eunhye

So Hirano excels at certain statistics... just not the things that people care about like medaling at the Olympics or Asian Championships. You have to get through the early rounds in order to meet the top Chinese.

 

[Takkyu_wa_inochi]

give a break to Hirano. You've all noticed her knee. Its been there for weeks.
Thats why she played in 3 in the final, to avoid 2 matches and maximize her chance of winning that match.

 

[Janard]

North Korea for XD gold!

 

[NextLevel]

Similar to Ayhika Mukherjee, Hirano is just better at team events than singles. I didn't expect her to go far and this early loss proves it once more.

I don't think Ayhika is about being better than teams than singles, I think Ayhika gets better as the opponent gets better because she can control high quality balls when they don't overwhelm her and returning all that spin to the opponent can be devastating. People who know how to play within their limits when they don't overwhelm her, which some lower rated players can do better than some elite players, will do better against her. Ito's lower spin game with powerful pace is exactly the kind of game optimally designed to give someone like Ayhika trouble.

Hirano is just injured amongst other things, Lee is not chopped liver either as anyone who remembers the beating she gave Kaufmann will attest to. And of course, the KNT have a really good coach who is very familiar with the JNT and would love to return to coach them if he could (though his dream is to coach Ito, Hirano and Hayata as a team since he coached them as juniors and that is *not* going to happen).

 

[NextLevel]

give a break to Hirano. You've all noticed her knee. Its been there for weeks.
Thats why she played in 3 in the final, to avoid 2 matches and maximize her chance of winning that match.

It's the zeio effect, fans of Hirano start sounding like haterz because of all the supposed Tieba hype being rejected.

 

[zeio]

Hmmm.. somehow I get the feeling that we wouldn't hear the end of it had it been Hayata who lost to Lee Eunhye

So Hirano excels at certain statistics... just not the things that people care about like medaling at the Olympics or Asian Championships. You have to get through the early rounds in order to meet the top Chinese.

You're getting ahead of yourself here. I was going to write about it at the end of the event.

I wrote that Hayata needed to achieve something that is unique/exclusive to her. She has yet to do so. OTOH, Hirano along with Harimoto have just achieved something that was last done half a century ago. Let that sink in. It's only natural for Harimoto to be touted by Tieba users as the No. 1 foreign player now, displacing Hayata. Hirano has also reinforced her status as the No. 1 foreign player in WS and WT results, as rated by Tieba users.

Even worse, you can't lose if you don't play. SYS is being bombarded for withdrawing from WS and WD and Hayata's withdrawal from WS is being used to add fuel to the fire. Once again, a typical scenario of 一白遮三醜.

 

[driversbeat]

You're getting ahead of yourself here. I was going to write about it at the end of the event.

I wrote that Hayata needed to achieve something that is unique/exclusive to her. She has yet to do so. OTOH, Hirano along with Harimoto have just achieved something that was last done half a century ago. Let that sink in. It's only natural for Harimoto to be touted by Tieba users as the No. 1 foreign player now, displacing Hayata. Hirano has also reinforced her status as the No. 1 foreign player in WS and WT results, as rated by Tieba users.

Even worse, you can't lose if you don't play. SYS is being bombarded for withdrawing from WS and WD and Hayata's withdrawal from WS is being used to add fuel to the fire. Once again, a typical scenario of 一白遮三醜.

Hayata: First ever WTTC bronze + Asian Games silver defeating core CNT player in 40/50+ years something something. But nobody gives her credit because her opponent was Wang Yidi, even though Hayata was only the 2nd JNT player (maybe non-CNT too, can't be bothered to look it up) to defeat WYD in that cycle. The same Wang Yidi that Hirano lost too as well.

When was the last time Hirano reached semifinals at a major? Best I can think of is quarterfinals at this year's World Cup. Hirano has a style that's more dangerous to CNT but doesn't have the absolute level to consistently beat everyone else, something Hayata has demonstrated over and over. Both have their merits and both are amazing players. The only time you get CNT level consistency is if you're the select few from CNT's core, or 2018/19 Ito, but even she fizzled out faster than anyone expected

 

[zeio]

Hardly anyone gives weight to something achieved by beating WYD now. Go convince Harimoto and Mizutani. Who hasn't done it? Hirano (Singapore Smash 2023 [first JNT player in the Paris 2024 cycle] and WTTC 2024) and Harimoto (World Cup 2024 and WT of ATTC 2024) have also beaten WYD twice.

In response to your previous post, Hayata is equally just better in WS now than XD and WT, is it not?

 

[NextLevel]

Manush Uptibal Shah 3-0 An Jaehyun.
LYJ 3-0 XP.

 

[zeio]

Comeback LJK...

MS R32
Alamiyan 3-0 LJK (13, 9, 13)

 

[driversbeat]

Hardly anyone gives weight to something achieved by beating WYD now. Go convince Harimoto and Mizutani. Who hasn't done it? Hirano (Singapore Smash 2023 [first JNT player in the Paris 2024 cycle] and WTTC 2024) and Harimoto (World Cup 2024 and WT of ATTC 2024) have also beaten WYD twice.

In response to your previous post, Hayata is equally just better in WS now than XD and WT, is it not?

Yup, her best result was that victory against Chen Meng (something that Hirano, Ito, and Miwa haven't done). I also bashed her for that horrible performance in the Olympic finals that cost Japan the match. I mean, you could also say that Hirano *only* beat WYD and CXT in both team finals. The stats can tell you whatever story you want as long as you beat it hard enough.

 

[blahness]

Wildest ATTC ever!

 

[JackJohnson]

Wildest ATTC ever!

Agree, I was not expecting Iran Men’s team to do so well this tournament. You have 14 year old Faraji beating WCQ in Teams, almost beating LSD in Singles match and then you have Noshad beating LJK in Singles match.

Japan Women’s team winning the finals against China. It would have been much better if WMY and CM were in the team but beating China is never easy. Miwa beating No 1. ranked SYS

 

[turbozed]

ATTU mispelled Odo's name as "ODON" and the Japanese fans are really having fun with it in live chat

 

[Takkyu_wa_inochi]

wow Noshad beats LJK 3-0

 

[Takkyu_wa_inochi]

ATTU mispelled Odo's name as "ODON" and the Japanese fans are really having fun with it in live chat

French fans have even more fun when she is wearing her favourite shirt