34th ITTF-ATTU Asian Cup 2025, Shenzhen, 2/19-23

[zeio]

Also, KM continues to surprise, this time taking down WYD convincingly. Having beaten WMY and WYD the last couple of tournaments means she's now overtaken QTY as the one to take the spot vacated by CM.

For me, KM is taking over the role of SYS in the Paris 2024 cycle, whereas WMY is taking over the role of CM. It's becoming clear after Paris 2024 and ATTC 2024 that SYS is starting to struggle to keep up in multiple events.

https://www.tabletennisdaily.com/fo...-cnt-boss-what-would-you-do.35638/post-488701

After Paris 2024, because of China Smash 2024 and ATTC 2024 (the latter of which doubled as the continental qualification tournament for WTTC 2025 with all the placement matches), the rest period has been severely compressed and only FZD and CM took a real break. For those two events, it's clear the idea is 以老帶新, literally to bring the new up to speed with the old, LSD/KM winning XD in both events marked the successful transfer of power from WCQ/SYS.

 

[NextLevel]

For me, KM is taking over the role of SYS in the Paris 2024 cycle, whereas WMY is taking over the role of CM. It's becoming clear after Paris 2024 and ATTC 2024 that SYS is starting to struggle to keep up in multiple events.

https://www.tabletennisdaily.com/fo...-cnt-boss-what-would-you-do.35638/post-488701

You mean in XD, since LSD is pretty much a lock as well. The question will be whether she plays singles or not and that is pretty open. I am sure SYS and WMY are still ravenous and I suspect CXT and WYD have not entirely yielded either though KM is clearly capable.

 

[Robin0910]

I personally think HYZ is ready to take the next step into the chinese A team or at least be the B team leader over XP. So close to beating an inform LYJ, and he’s only going to keep improving.

Funny how you gave up on him a month ago

 

[Shine]

I'm not sure how much I would include LYJ in that list with Miwa and Tomo of getting it done when the chips are down. In fact it seems like he's always so close to breaking through and falling just short, Olympics bronze medal match with Dima as the most notable example. Open to discussion though.

Yeah I agree with you, But he's got a bit of a notoriety of beating some of the best players in tournaments just below the majors. Getting it done in my train of thoughts basically means beating the Chinese at the big tournaments. He never fully figured out how to beat FZD and history seems to be repeating itself with LSD now. But he's got a decent record against WCQ so let's see how tomorrow goes.

 

[Shine]

I personally think HYZ is ready to take the next step into the chinese A team or at least be the B team leader over XP. So close to beating an inform LYJ, and he’s only going to keep improving.

More like herald him as the new number 5 on the men's team. The pressure on LGY is not letting up, and he probably knows where the wind is blowing seeing as he's played a couple matches in the European league.

 

[ThePongCommenter]

Yeah I agree with you, But he's got a bit of a notoriety of beating some of the best players in tournaments just below the majors. Getting it done in my train of thoughts basically means beating the Chinese at the big tournaments. He never fully figured out how to beat FZD and history seems to be repeating itself with LSD now. But he's got a decent record against WCQ so let's see how tomorrow goes.

Yeah he definitely is a threat to beat top players and he got ML a few times as well, but to me he seems to fall short in the biggest moments while getting his big wins in the slightly less important moments but that isn't easy for anyone.

He has a serious LJK problem too.

 

[joshmak10]

Funny how you gave up on him a month ago

This is a time where I’m glad i’m proven wrong. But no more silly losses HYZ please!

 

[blahness]

That's the softness of his game that he said he's lost. For those shots, he needs to receive with the FH by turning the corner to exert pressure on the other side.

I have real-life experience with that. I visited a university club in the early 2010s and played 2 members there (a quiet night), winning the first one (inverted penhold twiddler with LP) in 3 games and losing the second one (single-side inverted penholder) in deuce after 4 games. The second guy told me after the match that he should've lost because of his grip (inferior BH) but he noticed that I never stepped around to receive with the FH the whole time and that gave him room to breathe. I didn't tell him that that's the whole point I switched to shakehand but like what Liu Jiayi said about European players, my footwork had become lazy and my table tennis "philosophy" took precedence over making the opponent uncomfortable.

His FH is actually pretty nice now, pivoting introduces extra risk which may not pay off in today's game. Harimoto simply needs to increase the power of his BH opening loop against underspin. Everyone is catching him on this weakness now. It is so predictable and easy. Push long to Harimoto's BH, wait for that weak opening loop and then crush it with a counterloop. Harimoto BH is only strong against topspin really.

So either he goes back to his younger days where he did this super quick off the bounce BH opening loop, or leverage his muscular strength to play the BH loopkill just like Darko Jorgic or the CNT players. I'm sure a player of his BH level can train it easily.

 

[zeio]

His FH is actually pretty nice now, pivoting introduces extra risk which may not pay off in today's game. Harimoto simply needs to increase the power of his BH opening loop against underspin. Everyone is catching him on this weakness now. It is so predictable and easy. Push long to Harimoto's BH, wait for that weak opening loop and then crush it with a counterloop. Harimoto BH is only strong against topspin really.

So either he goes back to his younger days where he did this super quick off the bounce BH opening loop, or leverage his muscular strength to play the BH loopkill just like Darko Jorgic or the CNT players. I'm sure a player of his BH level can train it easily.

As Miyazaki pointed out in an article back in 5/2019, the world has adapted to the BH-oriented game of JNT players with countermeasures and that they should take a page from South Korea.

They need more Uda.

https://www.tabletennisdaily.com/forum/topics/whats-wrong-with-harimotos-fh.21649/post-286082

The world has responded to this. Even if it is not a player from a strong country, fast shots can be returned if the opponent's reflexes are good and the racket angle matches up. Foreign players with good physiques can reach even if they swing left and right. Countermeasures for the chiquita were also devised, and the feature of contemporary Japanese table tennis with a huge focus on BH has become hard to score.

"Especially now that the plastic ball has slowed down and the amount of rotation has decreased, it is the FH that has the decisive power. BH is a little under-powered. This is an era to seize the timing with BH and finish with FH. This is how South Korea teaches the younger generation," said Miyazaki.

...Even if Japan's BH has become stronger, “It still comes down to the FH," said a Chinese official.

 

[Janard]

【kk】一不小心暴露了性向，哈哈哈哈 ([kisskiss] Accidentally exposed my sexual orientation, hahahaha)
https://tieba.baidu.com/p/9514396852

Shinozuka is to be blamed for LSD's loss to LJK.

 

[zeio]

MS SF
LSD 3-4 LJK (5, 7, -9, -9, 4, -8, -8)
G7 01, 31, 32 big net for LJK, 42, 43, 63, 69, 79, 710, 810, 811

 

[NextLevel]

Wow, Liang shows it is possible to still outshine Lin on the backhand. Crazy.

 

[joshmak10]

Comeback man always does his thing. Let’s see how he does against one of WCQ or LYJ!

 

[Gozo Zyreruna]

4-3!

 

[NextLevel]

I still believe that LJK eas posed with the question by his coach: why not you?

 

[NextLevel]

Wang Manyu ‐ warrior mode activated.

 

[zeio]

WMY is to KM as CM is to SYS.

 

[JackJohnson]

LJK these past few months has shown quite an improvement that I wasn’t expecting from him.

I can’t remember if it was WTT Montpellier or WTT Frankfurt last year where he got scolded quite badly from Coach Liu Zhiqiang in one of the matches and to beat Dima, WCQ and now LSD these past couple of tournaments is something I wasn’t expecting.

I guess the scolding from Coach Liu Zhiqiang has worked.

 

[zeio]

MS SF
LYJ 2-4 WCQ (9, -9, -6, -3, 8, -5)
G1 37, 47, 48, 58, 59, 119
G2 20, 21, 31, 32, 42, 43, 53, 54, 64, 66, 86, 89, 99, 911
After the advent of the 19th prince, the 8th prince makes a grand entrance.
G5 13, 53, 55, 95, 96, 106, 108, 118 epic point
G6 05, 25 TO for WCQ, 26, 36, 37, 47, 49 epic point, 410, 510, 511

 

[joshmak10]

Amazing match between WCQ and LYJ. Can’t wait for the WCQ-LJK final!