Aruna Quadri's forhand loop analysed by Chinese Coach

[mcaibyz2]

Here is an intersting video posted by a Chinese coach. He analysed Aruna's forehand loop and explained why he can win 2 games from ZJK.

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Summary
1. Aruna's forehand loop is different from any other professional players. His power comes from his arm and wrist, whereas most other players use their leg and waist.
2. Aruna's forehand loop is very powerful, but also has slow recovery. He lose points sometimes because of this.
3. Aruna's forehand loop has high success rate against backspin balls. When he miss against top spin balls, the ball is mostly too far off the table.
4. Aruna's forehand loop is uniqe and not recommended for amateur players (LOL).
5. African players have natrual talents that is not found in Asian players. They can achieve much more if given the oppotunities.

 

[sebas-aguirre]

maybe the rubber does have something to do.
tenergy is great for cruise drive looping but not so much for forward aggressive looping, which is what the chinese do with h3 and what aruna does with his rubber (maxxx ... or rhyzm.... or maxxx ... or rhyzm... or both.... or none...).

also it seems like some color people naturally have more power and explosion than average.
just look at the olympic games 100m race...

 

[Tinykin]

Absolutely not true...

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also it seems like some color people naturally have more power and explosion than average.
just look at the olympic games 100m race...

Let's not get into this race/colour thing. Caribbean and American athletes do well in sprinting because they have great coaches and they work hard at it. Sprinting has always been the glamour event at the Olympics, so naturally it tends to attract more athletes willing to put in the effort.
Same thing for cycling. Europeans dominate because they have a long cycling tradition.
Koreans are top at archery, again because no other country works as hard as the Koreans at archery.
China dominates TT because no other country has the level of government support that the CNT players receive.

TT is very popular in Nigeria but also very disorganised. They thus produce players who play well without having had much coaching. Look at Aruna/Toriola etc, no way would they have that style if they had grown up with the CNT.

 

[Persistence TT]

maybe the rubber does have something to do.
tenergy is great for cruise drive looping but not so much for forward aggressive looping, which is what the chinese do with h3 and what aruna does with his rubber (maxxx ... or rhyzm.... or maxxx ... or rhyzm... or both.... or none...).

also it seems like some color people naturally have more power and explosion than average.
just look at the olympic games 100m race...

I agree, black people have much better muscle growth and genetics that are responsible for muscle growth than all the other races. Given the same training, a black man is better than a white one in terms of muscle explosion/strength, nothing "racial" about that just pure scientific facts.

Sports like basketball or sprinting which require fast explosions are perfect for black people. No hate towards any race, just pure facts

 

[izra]

race indeed plays a factor in a crude manner, when talking about average muscle explosiveness etc., but there is no reason to say "he plays like this because he is black" when you can simply say that this man is in above average physical form and that he is ridiculously explosive.

i really like the chinese take on his technique, i'd love to see some more if it is floating around the internet somewhere.

 

[Persistence TT]

Well off course no one said that Aruna plays like this because he is black. What science and research have proven is that , in an imaginary world if we had produced a white Quadri Aruna with same height weight flexibility and hours of training, he wouldnt be as explosive or muscular as the original black one

 

[akoozab]

where is video?

 

[Persistence TT]

where is video?

I dont know if ur browser has any problems but the video is in the 1st post

 

[jedimasterplk]

Well off course no one said that Aruna plays like this because he is black. What science and research have proven is that , in an imaginary world if we had produced a white Quadri Aruna with same height weight flexibility and hours of training, he wouldnt be as explosive or muscular as the original black one

Just drop it (the whole race thing) TT Frenzy )))... you are probably not trying to deliberately offend anyone, but as we have (Aruna Quadri) himself here, your comments might inadvertently offend him and other members. What you claim is 'scientific' is complete BS - and is in essence just racial stereotyping. Anyone can be dropped into a lazy (and stupid) stereotype bucket. Lets steer clear of that.

 

[izra]

Just drop it (the whole race thing) TT Frenzy )))... you are probably not trying to deliberately offend anyone, but as we have (Aruna Quadri) himself here, your comments might inadvertently offend him and other members. What you claim is 'scientific' is complete BS - and is in essence just racial stereotyping. Anyone can be dropped into a lazy (and stupid) stereotype bucket. Lets steer clear of that.

i don't see it as offensive to say that people from certain parts of the world have genetic traits that make them on average more explosive than people in some other parts of the world. people are all so diverse that it's only natural.

i do agree however, that it should play no factor when talking about a single player and that there is really no point in mentioning the race thing anyway. he might as well be an equally physically fit swede, or a korean (it's just that the chances for that are low).

 

[Persistence TT]

Just drop it (the whole race thing) TT Frenzy )))... you are probably not trying to deliberately offend anyone, but as we have (Aruna Quadri) himself here, your comments might inadvertently offend him and other members. What you claim is 'scientific' is complete BS - and is in essence just racial stereotyping. Anyone can be dropped into a lazy (and stupid) stereotype bucket. Lets steer clear of that.

Everyone is entitled to have an opinion. Have a nice day sir

just for the record you can read this article if you like

http://run-down.com/guests/je_black_athletes_p2.php (it has many references to official scientific results/researches)

I would personally highlight the below paragraph and everyone can make his own conclusions on the matter

Geneticist and exercise physiologist Claude Bouchard at Laval University in Quebec City, has run numerous experiments comparing two populations, French-Canadian and West African students. Using long needles inserted into the thighs of test subjects, Bouchard's team extracted tiny sections of fibers, which look to the naked eye like pieces of raw meat. They were chemically treated to reveal metabolic differences, put on a glass slide, and slipped under a high-power microscope, where they appeared as a collage of tiny red and white crocodile scales. The West Africans, by a ratio of approximately two to one, had more of the larger fast-twitch fibers. The researchers concluded that the force generating capacity of type-II muscle fibers at high velocity, the speed and tempo of movements, and the capacity of an individual to adapt to exercise training are all genetically influenced.

In simple words west african students had a lot more (close to a 2/1 ratio) fast twitch muscle fibers than the French ones. For those who dont know what fast twitch fibers are, they are the fibers activated when trying to apply force in an explosive way (running, lifting weights really fast, jumping etc)

If white and black were 100% the same in genetics, then we wouldnt see the NBA ruled by black players . Same thing for sprinting.

The only white guy who ran (and still can) 100m under 10 seconds is Christophe Lemaitre from France. To be more specific he is the only man of purely European descent (100% white) who broke the 10 s barrier in 100m dash.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/10-second_barrier. Check the list of sprinters who have broken the 10s barrier. The only one who does not have west african roots is Patrick Johnson from Australia...and guess what, he is brown

 

[Persistence TT]

i don't see it as offensive to say that people from certain parts of the world have genetic traits that make them on average more explosive than people in some other parts of the world. people are all so diverse that it's only natural.

i do agree however, that it should play no factor when talking about a single player and that there is really no point in mentioning the race thing anyway. he might as well be an equally physically fit swede, or a korean (it's just that the chances for that are low).

If the translation is correct the thread starter translated the chinese coach like this

5. African players have natrual talents that is not found in Asian players. They can achieve much more if given the oppotunities.

To my eyes this sentence is a compliment to all african players, there is no racial issue. Sebas aguirre made a comment about colored people (which is true) and tinykin with jedimasterplk obviously didnt like that comment.

 

[ranniely]

Just mine 31 cents, all of that Mr.Frenzy said, is true. Some time ago, i read a research (i don't remember where anymore) where they explained those genetic traits. Nothing rude, nothing offensive, it's pure nature World nowadays is much too concerned with racial shit, when one cannot even have a proper discussion because of " sensitivity " of topic nature, + we're all getting sidetracked with this.
So i'll apologise for "offtopic post" with a video, which means no harm, it's just funny and i hope you'll all get a good laughter.

And Aruna Q. i love your extra forehand and i love to see someone succeed with uniquenes in sport like ours!

 

[Persistence TT]

Suddenly no one wants to answer. Thats pretty funny

 

[izra]

people from western countries are very touchy on this matter, with political correctness sometimes getting out of hand. slavic countries and east / sout-east europe is on the other end of the spectrum, we're not in touch with this western political correctness so it's easy for us to sometimes jokingly cross the line of what is offensive without even knowing.

ranniely, the joke that you posted in video is meant to be filled with racial stereotypes and is not appropriate when discussing this matter.

 

[Persistence TT]

izra its just a funny post. relax nobody offended the africans

 

[mahomedy13]

izra its just a funny post. relax nobody offended the africans

you will never know what offends unless you are of that race group.

Why delve into something controversial?

 

[Tony's Table Tennis]

Some people can be way to sensitive to Racism or Race issues.
The topic here is about sports, about table tennis, and science has indeed did comparisons.
Some races, maybe DNA, or Genes or cultural activies or what not, does affect sports in some way.

Now, let me quote from Chinese coaches who have spent years in Africa as well as in Europe and Asia (China, Japan, Taiwan)
This includes coaches/former coaches of Egypt, Tunisa, South Africa to name a few.

Africans - mostly black Africans are super athletes (I remember these was the words they used).
They body condition is far more superior to Europeans and Asians.
They are able to achieve the same result by using less hours - which is a bonus consider they don't have the luxary of full time training schedule compared with Asia.
The physical condition is superior.They are very talented and generally very fast.

Regarding the OP video, that specific coach also stated that African's has extra strength/power, and Aruna was able to execute that power in a unorthordox way. Chinese requires to borrow the body weight power by the swing of the waist. Aruna was able to do it with just his arm. something that the coach tried to copy and could not succeed.

As I said above, there is more than just race, it is a whole lot of influences like - environmental - training at 2000m altitude?
Things they eat? Things in the culture? Genes and all other kind of influnces.
It doesn't mean you are part of 1 race and it = that you are this or that - this is racist then
So I think there is more than just the race part, but the general comparison of elite athletes was clear.

The Chinese coaches who are in Africa, stated that, if they is more resources, and a long term plan. Africa can really become a power house.
I still remember one of the coaches (Kong Linghui's buddy and team mate) said that, due to the uniqueness of African players, he had to train differently compared to the provincial team in China. They didn't focus so much on fitness, but focus more on strategy and psychology.
Sad thing was, he only has access to his players (national team) around 6 to 9 hours a week.

Some Chinese coaches say, Chinese play better table tennis because we use chopsticks - so since small and every day, we train hand eye co-ordination.

On the race part to keep it fair - Chinese are great in TT, Badminton, Gymnastics, Diving etc.
Did you guys know LGL's boss - Director Cai Zhenhua is also in charge of soccer/football?
Chinese basketball is also lacking of physical power and speed.

So 1 Billion people.
Endless amount of money
Bigger sports in China compared to TT, but they can't even compete against Americans, Europeans etc

 

[Persistence TT]

you will never know what offends unless you are of that race group.

Why delve into something controversial?

I agree if you are talking only about the family guy video and not about the thread starter and me. When it comes to the video its mostly a matter of sense of humor (or perspective of "funny", what is funny to me may be insulting to you and that situation is totally normal and ok, we are all different as human beings) and not racial issues.

Stating that africans have better muscle genetics is a proven fact. Not an insult, if anyone is insulted by this then obviously has difficulties distinguishing facts with racist behaviors. And im not saying that in a degrading way for people who cant understand that. If I say "the sky is blue" some peole might also get offended, that is not related to the truth nor it should stop me from saying my opinion

Untill tinykin and jedimasterplk posted with an aggressive manner no one insulted anyone. African sprinters are not the best just because they have the best coaches, they are better in genetics also.

p.s. As for the race group quote, I dont have to be a muslim believer to understand what offends a muslim, most of the times if someone makes a joke out of their religion , I can understand that they are offended