Backhand rubber

[UpSideDownCarl]

And I say, anything that can help you improve is worth doing. Hence I will keep my dream of having 4 hour lessons 5-6 days a week.

In the end changing rubbers to something with more control in the normal category like Sriver of Mark V or even Vega Pro may help Tareq learn good technique without the stress off such a jumpy rubber. But, in some way, pips or anti will solve the return problem and force him to learn new and different technique for his backhand and that could mean he will never learn how to hit a good conventional backhand. So pips do answer one problem and could create a different one.

Better to switch to pips after you know how to play decently and at a decent level with smooth rubber. But some people go with pips early and are fine.


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[TareqPhoto]

Sure, now the rubbers are here waiting, and the coaching can wait, one coach that i always ask and assembled my rackets is not here, he is in vacation, so in all cases i have to wait him to come back if he will come back, and i will move to my house soon this month, this will settle me more and then i can get time to have coaching, but again, even with coaching this will take long time until i improve in anything, so until the time is coming to be improved what i can do in those tournaments i play and lose? or i shouldn't join those tournaments until i am ready for all strokes?

Remember the first time i registered here and i started this year i wasn't able to do any strokes, now with different rackets and tests and some practices i am able to beat some players who defeated me in the beginning and they have coaching, and i narrowed my problems, i know i can't solve all my problems alone without training, but until i start coaching seriously i want to be ready with all strokes so it won't make my training more difficult or longer, the more longer time i take training the more i pay, then i may feel that i just spend money on coaching and still i didn't get there on higher level and then i may have another issues in life, i won't turn to be a table tennis player, so there are more important things in life to do than just give time for sports, and if i don't do that training in short time fixed like 3-5 times per week then it won't make me better in certain time within 1 year and others will go further higher than me if they train more than me.

Anyway, you gave me one main correct solution which is training and recording myself, good, i got it, now i try the solution which is temporary for now, changing the rubber, but, i think i don't need to change rubber i have already on that blade while i have another rubbers on another blade, i will fore myself to test another blades and leave my main racket for rest now, then once i find that rubber that can help me do something [not necessary to make me a higher level as you think] then i may convert to that rubber for my BH and keep playing, but i still think about inverted rubber, because i can use pips out rubbers anytime and return any serve even the spiniest and moving on, but i am not a big fan of pips out rubbers to be honest.

 

[UpSideDownCarl]

My first reaction is: "oh gosh, there goes that extra does of estrogen kicking in!"

But I think there is something here to work with so I won't say that.

If you like playing in those tournaments you should keep playing in them. If you don't like playing in them you shouldn't. But that shouldn't have much to do with whether you win or not.

In a table tennis match there is always someone who doesn't win. If you are too hung up on never losing then you may as well stop now because there are always players who are higher level. But, if you switch the way you think about it and try and not get hung up on the losses but learn something from them, then the losses could help you improve just as much as the wins.

An example that shows you are actually doing some of this: you are trying to figure out how to make your receive with your backhand better. You learned from your losses that this part of your game needs improvement.

What happens when a spinny serve goes to your forehand? What method do you use to return those spinny serves when they go to your forehand?


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[TareqPhoto]

My first reaction is: "oh gosh, there goes that extra does of estrogen kicking in!"

But I think there is something here to work with so I won't say that.

If you like playing in those tournaments you should keep playing in them. If you don't like playing in them you shouldn't. But that shouldn't have much to do with whether you win or not.

In a table tennis match there is always someone who doesn't win. If you are too hung up on never losing then you may as well stop now because there are always players who are higher level. But, if you switch the way you think about it and try and not get hung up on the losses but learn something from them, then the losses could help you improve just as much as the wins.

An example that shows you are actually doing some of this: you are trying to figure out how to make your receive with your backhand better. You learned from your losses that this part of your game needs improvement.

What happens when a spinny serve goes to your forehand? What method do you use to return those spinny serves when they go to your forehand?

Well, i just joined 3 tournaments so far, even they are not that real or official or whatever by ITTF, but they are tours they [the club or sporting TT people] made to have fun.

In those 3 tours i won only 2 games, but the second and third i joined were in knock out format, in that second one i was able to win my first game, and i was very happy, but in the first tour which is in group stage i came in 4th place and didn't qualified, and in the third i lost first game, if i won first game i will be happy as i know i can't go far to 1/4 or semi finals anyway, but i will be happy to reach 2nd or 3rd at least, but the first tour was the only one categorized by level, and the other 2 were by age so it is normal i may face strongest or higher level even from first round.

Well, in all those rounds, my weakest points were loops and heavy spin serves return to my BH and chopping, but i almost solved the loops and blocking and chopping, but still spin serve return still a problem.

Mostly they don't serve spinney to FH from what i see, even if they do it isn't that spinney and i just flick/smash it with FH because FH is easy for flicking or smashing, but my BH isn't good anymore as in the past, even in looping i easily lose in BH rally but with FH i can go more, so when i smash with BH i may win 1-2 points out of 6-8 of serves they do, so it isn't a solution to keep doing it as in FH, and as i said, they don't do much spinney serve to my FH so i can't tell if i can win more if they keep serving to my FH side.

 

[UpSideDownCarl]

Okay. Good answer. Keep playing. That Yasaka Extra blade with Vega Pro or Mark V on it might be perfect for you.

Don't be discouraged by the results in the tournaments. Go to have fun. Over time your results will improve.


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[TareqPhoto]

Okay. Good answer. Keep playing. That Yasaka Extra blade with Vega Pro or Mark V on it might be perfect for you.

Don't be discouraged by the results in the tournaments. Go to have fun. Over time your results will improve.

Well, my Yasaka Extra is still not assembled, and i don't have Vega Pro or Mark V rubbers, i can list you what rubbers i have now so you can choose one of them to be for Yasaka Extra, and later when i move to my house and have higher net speed i will post my other rackets assembled photos for record or reference of my collection.

Sure, i go and play regardless if i win or lose, but i try not to make same mistakes or to solve something i didn't in previous tours, so if from first and second tours i solved 1-2 issues, it is time for me to solve the other issue i still face, it doesn't matter that i will win the title, but at least i need the tool to be good enough when my technique isn't good enough yet, so from first tour i lost i learnt how to deal with few previous problems that helped me in second tour so i won first game only, because the second next game was against a strong high level player from our club academy so even if i am well trained i am still no match to him, but in third tour, my opponent wasn't strong enough but i lost because i made mistakes more and it was mostly with spin serves, even he couldn't match my forehand smashes/loops and some of my chopping, so it was really funny that i made him win just because i wasn't good enough to receive his serves to my BH, i should use another blade that has pips out but then it may cause problems with loop or speed or whatever, he lost to another player using pips out anyway so it was not a problem which setup to use for his serves, but in fact i didn't know that he depends on his serve more so it was late to figure out the best way to beat him, and it was our first game together, so if i saw him playing before my game against him then i may understand him better, but those tours with knock out format don't give you enough time to read opponents and may lose from first round.

I keep go to play or practice anyway, and i do play games out of tours with some opponents and i win some and lose some, but i do play with opponents who are mostly near my level more or less, very few times i play with higher levels because they don't like to play with lower level players or they don't play strong or serious if they did, so i avoid them anyway as it is not gentle kind from them to think they are unbeatable and won't play with any lower level players.

Thanks again, and hope you don't feel offended of my replies, i try to explain the whole pictures, and sometimes your solution is the right one but not possible or not available due to time or place or persons, i always like to have more solutions and alternatives so i can try everything i can, not always i am able to do the correct true solution that may fix a problem permanently, but then another temporary solution is needed better than nothing.

 

[NextLevel]

And I say, anything that can help you improve is worth doing. Hence I will keep my dream of having 4 hour lessons 5-6 days a week.

In the end changing rubbers to something with more control in the normal category like Sriver of Mark V or even Vega Pro may help Tareq learn good technique without the stress off such a jumpy rubber. But, in some way, pips or anti will solve the return problem and force him to learn new and different technique for his backhand and that could mean he will never learn how to hit a good conventional backhand. So pips do answer one problem and could create a different one.

Better to switch to pips after you know how to play decently and at a decent level with smooth rubber. But some people go with pips early and are fine.


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That's why I said short pips. I think short pips are close enough to inverted, especially on the backhand, for the strokes to be reused. But beyond that, I doubt it, but I don't have the coaching experience so it is just a very strong and informed opinion.

 

[sherif_sha2000]

I actually didn't want to post here, 'cause last time i responded to you, it seemed you misunderstood my comment, totally.

But anyway, here's the thing:
There is no such thing like an ultimate rubber that is totally insensitive to incoming spin and can create ton loads of spin on it's own! (I guess if there was, EVERYBODY would play with it.) ;-)


If you get a short pips rubber it would help you maybe getting your serve returns on the table, but it's also much much harder to create spin on your own, so i really wouldn't recommend that in a beginner status. I think it would be better finding someone who wants to practice on his serve, so you could combine your goals and he'll practice on his serve and you can work on your return. If you can do that for a while, you'll see your returns getting better from time to time. You can also play matches, but it would be helpful to let your practice partner do all the serves since your returns seem to be your weak point and seem to need some practice. I don't think it's your serve returns in general. I guess you rather seem to have a little trouble reading the spins on the serves and that's what makes your returns go off the table. And only practice and an Understanding of what is happening can help that....

Well, of course you can do what you want, but this is how we do it.
Now i wrote again a whole bunch of stuff and i hope this time it is more helpful than last time. ;-)

Don't give it up, buddy. If you really wanna get there, you'll get there. Take your time.

Edit: an "easy-to-control" type rubber like a sriver or a magic carbon or any type of non tensor rather 'slowish' rubber could be helpful in your case.

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[HappySpinner]

Hi

I would like to know what rubbers do you recommend or suggest for backhand that is not sensitive to coming very spinney serves? honestly speaking it became my weakest point now, many many shots lost due to very spinney low slow or close to the edge to my backhand side, my T05FX and in the past T64 on JM blade weren't good enough for me to return, so i think i should look for a good rubber.

I have that 9000 good enough but i used that on N-11 blade which i don't use much, this blade didn't match the control or speed of my DHS HH3 with forehand, but with 2 or 3 blades i have with Tenergy rubbers on BH i lose a lot when they serve to my BH side, i tend to flick a lot then to get some points but this didn't help much, and my technique is not good yet to receiver/return that, and i know it will take years if i get coaching until we reach about returning serves, so until that time coming i don't want to lose more just because of my backhand weak receiving, for smash of normal shots is great, that is only in practicing with others, but in tournaments or serious games they serve so spinney to my BH more and i lose more points due to that, i do serve to their BH too and they had problems too, but sounds i can't keep rally with them or win more points when i lose easier shots or some serves.

I am not thinking/planning to use pips out yet, i have LP on a defensive blade but i am not getting used to that blade at all, it needs too much training and playing with it, but i don't want to go defensive style as i see all or many defensive players lose to many offensive players, but i may accept using SP instead or anti spin if that will help, but i hear/read that those pips out or anti spin are all slow rubbers anyway.

I firmly believe that your issue is a matter of reading spin and precision. I would suggest Increasing your training on reading spin and returning serves and stick to one racket setup for precision consistency. You have used, for me, the best and most expensive backhand rubbers by far, T05fx and T64 if these rubbers doesnt do you any good then definitely and clearly you have a skill issue and not an equipment issue.

As much as possible try not to compensate your skill weakness with equipments it will only cost you more money and more disappointments. Just like any other sports, there are no shortcuts, only hardwork and efficient training. Wish you well and good luck to you!

I hope you find yourself a coach like mine who has very little respect on equipments and focuses mainly on technique, precision and physical fitness. Such will make you see and appreciate more the strengths of your equipment and efficiently use it to win your battles rather than recognizing its weakness and waste money and good equipment by suddenly shifting to a different one which you or others deem better.

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[Baal]

It took me a long time to realize that I play better with exactly the same rubber on both sides. I think it makes transitions from side to side easier and more zen-like.

By the way I used SP on BH for several years, thinking it was a fix for getting older. I used very spinny SP and played with it more or less the same way I played with inverted, which any coach will tell you is not the right way. It worked for me in some ways but you give up quite a bit too. I never developed the classic SP flat hit and so classic SP rubbers like Spectol were impossible for me. I could get away with using something like Raystorm as if it was inverted, just use a more open racket angle. One day Jim Butler watched me play for a little while and said, "you should be using inverted on BH". I listened to him. He was talking about BH!

Not surprisingly, I think he was pretty much correct for me anyway. Even with inverted I was trying one thing on FH and something else on BH, but once I had pretty much figured out again how to play with inverted on BH again (which took a few months, and largely required getting used to much heavier rubber), it was quite awhile before I realized that what is optimal for me was T05 on both sides.

The one thing about those years with SP on the BH, though, I developed a lot of power and strength so that when I switched back to inverted, my BH was much spinnier, more powerful and really just better than it had been right before I switched to SP.

 

[Ilia Minkin]

There is one thing about receiving that many people miss. Watch the trajectory of the ball. Yes, it takes a lot of experience, there is no shortcut, but when you saw zillion of times what heavy backspin, not so heavy backspin, no-spin, topspin etc. look like, you can make a good receieve even if you totally missed the contact.

After some experience you will learn to combine lots of sources of evidence, including contact point, speed of it, trajectory of the ball, knowledge of particular opponent, bounce on the table, guts and intuition into a single decision: what kind of stroke to play and how to adapt to the spin.

 

[TareqPhoto]

Ok, thank you very much all.

Well, finally i moved to my own house with a lot of issues, i stopped playing tennis for a while now and maybe i may stop playing it much once i get settled and go back to my favorite hobby, Photography.

Back to this BH rubber issue, i remember i said that i am not trained yet and i need long time in training or practice or even watching those serves to understand its secret or way to receive, but until that time i am improved i will be losing too may games, i missed [or let's say i didn't go] last tournament which was last Friday 4 days ago, i know i will not go far not even pass the first round because it is in knock out format.

Last time i practiced with one guy who really improved by training and i was able to win over him, he became so good by training as you all said and this is no wonder or surprise, and i was having problems with his serve to my BH side, then i changed to my LP racket [on BH] and he had difficult time to win over me as he did when i was using the inverted rubber on BH, so it was like he lost more points because i was able to receive all of his serves even those i had difficulties with, sure i can receive with inverted rubber and i am sure that T05FX is amazing, but maybe i am not practicing enough or not trained enough to receive by inverted rubbers, also maybe this rubber is still too early for me on BH, other rubbers softer maybe or less sensitive to incoming spinney serves, i need time to practice, but as i said, i am not in good situations where i can practice a lot or go on fixed training schedule, and i keep joining those open tournaments when i am not ready with anything, so i was hoping there is a rubber that can help to decrease the damage not to solve a problem, and in fact i feel that this T05 or T05FX rubbers are the ones i should end with not ones i start with.

At the end, thanks for all recommendations and advises, i feel i lost the joy of playing TT somehow, when i started in February 2015 until around say April i was fine and i won more even over those who are beating me now, something wrong happened to me since May and i lose more than winning, even those who i won a lot before told me i was way much better few weeks/months ago, so it is like maybe it is not my skill or physical techniques, it could be that my mental and mood that killed my way of playing.

 

[Suga D]

Ok, thank you very much all.

Well, finally i moved to my own house with a lot of issues, i stopped playing tennis for a while now and maybe i may stop playing it much once i get settled and go back to my favorite hobby, Photography.

Back to this BH rubber issue, i remember i said that i am not trained yet and i need long time in training or practice or even watching those serves to understand its secret or way to receive, but until that time i am improved i will be losing too may games, i missed [or let's say i didn't go] last tournament which was last Friday 4 days ago, i know i will not go far not even pass the first round because it is in knock out format.

Last time i practiced with one guy who really improved by training and i was able to win over him, he became so good by training as you all said and this is no wonder or surprise, and i was having problems with his serve to my BH side, then i changed to my LP racket [on BH] and he had difficult time to win over me as he did when i was using the inverted rubber on BH, so it was like he lost more points because i was able to receive all of his serves even those i had difficulties with, sure i can receive with inverted rubber and i am sure that T05FX is amazing, but maybe i am not practicing enough or not trained enough to receive by inverted rubbers, also maybe this rubber is still too early for me on BH, other rubbers softer maybe or less sensitive to incoming spinney serves, i need time to practice, but as i said, i am not in good situations where i can practice a lot or go on fixed training schedule, and i keep joining those open tournaments when i am not ready with anything, so i was hoping there is a rubber that can help to decrease the damage not to solve a problem, and in fact i feel that this T05 or T05FX rubbers are the ones i should end with not ones i start with.

At the end, thanks for all recommendations and advises, i feel i lost the joy of playing TT somehow, when i started in February 2015 until around say April i was fine and i won more even over those who are beating me now, something wrong happened to me since May and i lose more than winning, even those who i won a lot before told me i was way much better few weeks/months ago, so it is like maybe it is not my skill or physical techniques, it could be that my mental and mood that killed my way of playing.

Sounds interesting. The mental factor is very often underestimated. I'm pretty sure others might have told you before, but maybe you shouldn't focus so much on winning and instead tryin' to focus on playing EVERY ball as good as you can. If you try that, i'm sure you will find yourself sooner or later on the winner side.

 

[TareqPhoto]

Sounds interesting. The mental factor is very often underestimated. I'm pretty sure others might have told you before, but maybe you shouldn't focus so much on winning and instead tryin' to focus on playing EVERY ball as good as you can. If you try that, i'm sure you will find yourself sooner or later on the winner side.

This is what i should do, maybe when i returned back i wasn't thinking about equipment or winning then i felt myself i get some of my old skills back, but once i move to focus on equipment and only winning without learning and also with mental or mood issues i started to lose more and more.

Thanks!