Calderano Signs with Joola (#139)

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Bro it’s a Q968 and it has verification code LMAO. Do you really have a hard time to believe everything?

Verification code guarantee player actually was using this specific blade you bought? Or it was one of 50 blades he maybe was holding in his hands?
 
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Regardless of the truth and besides mere mortals wanting to get their hands on one, it highlights the crux of a long-standing issue that some here either don't get or refuse to come to terms with, that is, sponsored pros not using what brands make you believe they are.

Instead of acknowledging that fact and (perhaps not) following up with a debate on integrity, the focus always turns to how much difference constitutes a difference and whether that difference is discernible and whether one is proficient to make the best of it, without realizing all those questions are moot when the premise is not even established.

Again, to add to the other Chihara's video, the narrator states that 1グラムの誤差が世界大会ての勝負の明暗を分ける/a 1-g error could make the difference between winning and losing at the World Championships.

https://www.tabletennisdaily.com/fo...onsorship-with-other-brands.23591/post-316819
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The problem with all this is that it pretends there are zero cases on which a well established pro is largely playing with what he is advertised as playing with. Mizutani and Harimoto will have a lot to answer for in Japan.
 
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Does it? It seems like it has been stated repeatedly in this thread now that there are those cases as well.
I don't see that acknowledgement in his post. The thread is not his post. He is throwing shade at people so he needs to be precise.
 
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If what BobFL said about Anders using a hidden TBALC is true, this was my theory as well. A slow and controlled OFF- blade with tons of dwell time is easier to market as something that fits Anders' signature shots....it's a much harder sell when you frame it as "Anders uses a Koto outer ALC, and he just has superhuman talents that you will never have that allows him to do these shots"
Donic used to sell all kinds od blades under Dima's name. Lind is the closest thing to a superstar they have had in a while. You are focused on the product characteristics but I think it is more likely like Dima, they just needed to market something and he was their best player so...
 
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I have this question since long ago: what makes a blade of a brand special than others even when they have the exact same composition, why couln't Donic replicate the exact blade like TMBALC (blades are all wood and carbon stick together, it's not a microchip)
Blade engineering is not as trivial as you think it is. It's not rocket science on the basic level, but whenever you introduce targets and precision into anything, generalizations no longer work and details matter.
 
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If what BobFL said about Anders using a hidden TBALC is true, this was my theory as well. A slow and controlled OFF- blade with tons of dwell time is easier to market as something that fits Anders' signature shots....it's a much harder sell when you frame it as "Anders uses a Koto outer ALC, and he just has superhuman talents that you will never have that allows him to do these shots"

I think it's other way around. There are many off- blades with dwell time. In this case it easier to sell Lind blade since people want to play with same blade as he
 
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I wonder how a player-manufacturer sponsored event would work if there was an auction for signature blades/rubbers. It would be difficult to do for a WTT event, but having something like the limited-edition Butterfly Assar blades being auctioned for the event and using some of the earnings to go into the event would be an interesting way to crowdfund prizing.

Selfishly, give me more sponsored events or partnerships that aren't necessarily tournaments. On a naive level, if I had a company in an emerging market, I'd try to do events just to demo and sell or gain some market share with communities.
 
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I've made a few blades for pros, not many. It's not that interesting actually, if the player is sponsored then he cannot advertise he is using my blade, and I can't do it too, so it does nothing other than inflate my ego 😅. I've also made some repairs and handle swaps for pros.

You have several levels of pro, and by pro I mean someone who earns something in return for playing. The reality is that most pros know very little about equipment, because they simply don't care. They play with whatever is put in their hand since a young age, and many only start messing with equipment changes at an adult stage. A pro looks at equipment differently from us, for them it's a tool to do their job, so what they want is reliability. They don't even want to think about that stuff, if they miss a point they don't want to look at their racket thinking something was off. Of course there are exceptions, we have a little bit of everything, but this is true for most low/mid tier pros.

When Marcos first moved to Tibhar he was playing with a M. Maze since a young age. They built a blade for him but he continued using his trusty old blade. He only changed after he moved to Butterfly, and I believe he still continued using it for a while. For an elite player, the decision of moving to another brand has very little to do with equipment. There are many ways around that. Don't forget that this is still a business, and money is what moves both sides. For a player like Hugo, it's also important to support his career, and also start preparing for when he retires. He seems interested in moving TT forwards in Brazil, and maybe Joola aligns itself, and supports his view. As for his blade and rubbers, you can never really trust what a pro is using. In tennis they paint frames to make them look like other ones, in TT we make handle swaps. He can continue using his blade until they build him something that he likes. He will adapt, don't worry. Rubbers too, this was told to me by a pro, he was using an old generation rubber that he preferred, but the printing on the top sheet was from a newer model that had just came out and they wanted to sell. They also get their rubbers boosted from the factory. So, forget about what pros use, it's all marketing and very easy to deceive, do what's best for you.

In the case of Anders, he has a blade with his name on it, why would he say he is using something else? Does he not want to make money?! Maybe he even used it for a while but had a change of heart, not that the blade is bad or anything, it happens... Maybe the brand already had this composition destined for this type of marketing and decided to use his name and he played along...

And there isn't this magical forest where all the special wood for TT blades grows. Apart from Hinoki, namely Kiso Hinoki, which you can select the boards with a tighter grain, wood is wood. Of course there's crappy wood, but there's not magical wood. Butterfly has pretty good Limba, and I really doubt they change the source of that Limba for pro blades, it's all about material selection. They select what they need (in terms of density and grain), from their current batch. Better quality components does not always translate to a higher quality product. There are good blades with crappy materials, and vice-versa. And a higher quality product does not necessarily mean a better blade for that player, it's all about personal preference, so it's all very subjective. If a pro gets a blade with his name, but he likes to play with a 95g head heavy blade, that will never sell, so of course they have to tweak the composition to make it commercially feasible.
This is my opinion as insider too but my english is not that good +
Table tennis player is close to child. They need something so they will get it even IT is not working well for them for longer run but they need to feel it.
For me if Joola will get old Darker products with Aureveil, aka CNF I think about
impegno, avantir
They will receive big selling super product close to butterfly blades..
 
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This is off the instagram of a korean reviewer. he usually gets stuff before its released, at least thats the case for xiom gear.

he didnt post any infos, but it has the same handle that was used by hugo recently at an event if I remember correctlyView attachment 39799
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Right - we could end any discussion of equipment ever by saying that as long as the racket is good enough to reliably play with, the differences won't matter in terms of changing an amateur's level or ability to play. But that isn't the point, the point is that they are different from what you can buy, I suspect it is more of the "refusing to come to terms with" than the "don't get" because it is probably a hard pill for EJs and fans in general to swallow that whatever they've spent thousands of dollars on isn't even what their idols use (again, in some cases, not all).

It is funny you chose the Dima picture there. He is well known as one of the most obsessive and demanding players over his equipment.
Right. To add to what ZJK said about using a custom Viscaria for 14 out of 15 years, even he admitted that true or not, he, too, jumped on the bandwagon and that the blades aren't all that different, that he didn't understand or care about the serial number and how Viscaria had gone through multiple [design] changes over the years, that he could use his Viscaria for 7 to 8 years because he could send it to the technicians for a "press".

The length Dima went to cover up what he actually used has left a deep impression...

Lastly, here are some live streams where ZJK showed his Viscaria #2 for Rio 2016 without a serial number and prints (all his Viscaria since 2010 are like that) and ZJK ZLC with a short serial number and no prints and stressed they are/should be off-limits to the public unless the 2 given were leaked by Hao Shuai and WMY or leaked from Butterfly through other means.

zjk:什么码不码,什么大鱼鳞,什么选手注(有被笑死
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【张继科】0926张指导直播展示奥运2号板,多尼克红张,蝴蝶特制板的声音区别
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https://www.bilibili.com/video/BV1iDnUzNEPg
 
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The problem with all this is that it pretends there are zero cases on which a well established pro is largely playing with what he is advertised as playing with. Mizutani and Harimoto will have a lot to answer for in Japan.
I thought about adding restrictive modifiers, e.g. (some) sponsored pros not (necessarily) using what (some) brands make you believe they are, but then I thought to myself, Anders Lind is supposedly an outlier who doesn't use custom blades, and as soon as a supporting claim was made, it was met with a counter claim, and it became moot.

"Custom blades for pros" are like the power laws in which outliers dominate averages, and in our case many choose to view ZJK and ML et al. as the outliers whereas some choose the other way around.

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I don't see that acknowledgement in his post. The thread is not his post. He is throwing shade at people so he needs to be precise.
It's unfortunate you feel that way, but since it's moot to convince you otherwise, you may as well treat that as reciprocal measures (that the Ministry of Foreign Affairs of the PRC likes to put it) against what I was subjected to, which reinforces what Wang Yi said about stereotypes.

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