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There was a guy on all the forums many years ago who started fights like this, trying to rally against the ITTF. He even created his own alternative organisation, created a crappy little forum for it, and created multiple accounts / posts on his own forum to make it seem like he had a following. It was obviously just a single person with significant mental issues. He wasn't fooling anyone. He tried this stuff multiple times over many years, he is truly obsessed. It always ended in failure, of course.
I know who you talking about, that 1 man who has been trying for 10 or 20 years haha
i stumbled across his own table tennis forum, him and his 100 alias, all talking to each other.

all those accounts were like created and did 1 or 2 posts, and it looks like a forum with many users, but all inactive users with little posts.
you can see when the op post something, and then like 5 or 10 users agreeing
it is like the right hand giving the left toe a thumbs up and the right hand giving the right knee a hug in agreements.
it was hilarious.

end of the day, even rebellions, you need to make friends.
trying to alienate people, especially forum management, is really silly.
i hope op doesn't do the same to the MA that he should actually be engaging. I won't be surprised if he alienate MA people too.

Gee, I wonder if this is the same guy.
well, this guy is a bit more polite and does have some facts
the other is really from the circus.
 
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but you do know, China Smash is not run by WTT do you?
Dainton noted the lack of China Smash affected the bottom line of 2023.

As it stands, WTT is not run solely by WTT anymore. They are in dire need of investment and yet are wary of ceding control. OTOH, the employee turnover of the company seems concerning.

2023 #06 Executive Board Meeting minutes
https://documents.ittf.sport/sites/default/files/public/2024-06/2023-12-06_07_EB_Minutes_p.pdf
4. CEO Report / Strategic Plan
4.1. Current business status update

...

Mr DAINTON also presented on the work being made to get WTT, from a business perspective,
back on track. It was noted that not everything planned for 2023 had come to fruition and that
it would be a slightly complicated year-end for WTT compared to what had been budgeted. Mr
DAINTON noted that more focus would be needed to look at event modelling, TV production,
and managing events, adding that the lack of a China Smash or the expected WTT Finals in a
country where negotiations were advanced will affect the final result. However, this was the first
year that WTT could see how events could operate after the pandemic.

Mr DAINTON noted that he was working closely with Mr LIU, Ms SÖRLING, Mr Khalil AL-
MOHANNADI and Mr LEI Zhenjian on looking for better ways to ensure the WTT board has better
decision-making processes. The next meeting of the WTT board will be slated for 11 December
2023 in Chengdu. Mr DAINTON wished to thank World Sports for their support and indicated a
line of credit to help with WTT’s cash flow during the period before the Olympic Games has been
agreed. Mr DAINTON added that World Sports has also been a big help to business modelling,
investment discussions and the success of the XTWC. Mr DAINTON noted the increased
confidence of World Sports and expected a China Smash to happen in 2024.

Dr MESHREF thanked Mr DAINTON for his update and expressed that the EB feel comfortable to
see Mr DAINTON taking control and going into the details of WTT, what gives hope that some
good changes would be coming, as requested from the EB. Dr MESHREF noted the ITTF-WTT
steering committee is not yet enforced and opined that there is room on the WTT Board for the
ITTF to have greater representation, suggesting adding an athlete on the WTT Board.

Ms SÖRLING acknowledged Dr MESHREF’s comment and noted that the composition of the WTT
Board should be discussed further at the WTT Board meeting in Chengdu.

Mr DAINTON agreed with Ms SÖRLING and acknowledged Dr MESHREF’s comment. Mr DAINTON
echoed that the steering committee should be set up first and to ensure that athletes are fully
represented on that committee, as there is where the technical decisions should be handled,
whether with respect to world ranking, rules to events, etc. Mr DAINTON continued that the WTT
Board could be more focused on the business and operational aspects of WTT. Mr DAINTON
agreed that both considerations should be taken at the meeting in Chengdu and a decision be
made around that.

...

8. World Table Tennis
8.1. Investment update
[Followed on from Agenda Item point 4]

Mr DAINTON presented an investment update, noting that the conversations initiated earlier in
the year are ongoing, with two offers having been received during the Summit period. Mr
DAINTON opined that there is room for improvement in both proposals and indicated that this will
be discussed at the next WTT Board meeting. Figures of the potential investment were given,
indicating that the amount of control requested makes them not so appealing.

Ms SÖRLING noted that this shows WTT is attractive to investors, echoing Mr DAINTON that to
lose control would not be ideal for WTT at this period of growth, as it could potentially mean that
WTT would not be able to use the investment according to the ITTF strategic plan. Moreover, as
seen in other sports, investors have created challenges for the sport and requested that the
investment money be used in different directions and strategies.

Mr DAINTON noted that the process of going through due diligence for the investment was a real
learning point for WTT to understand the business. Mr DAINTON noted that the size of the
prospective investor is notable, and this could be a good partner if conditions can be agreeable.

Mr NATRAN opined that in business, if someone wants to invest and take over more control, a
fair offer should be presented, suggesting continuing searching for alternative investments. At
the same time, Mr NATRAN suggested continuing negotiations with this potential investor,
perhaps with a restructured offer, for example, through creating a subsidy of WTT on special
markets. The prospective investor could then be a majority focusing on such special markets, and
if there is proof that by their contribution, those markets can be more successful than before,
then WTT can take a step further. Mr NATRAN further opined that focus should be kept on
cooperation and that the prospective investor has already spent time and resources on the
potential deal – from legal, finance, and valuation perspectives, agreeing with Mr DAINTON that
they seem to be a good potential partner.

Mr DAINTON concurred that WTT should not just walk away from the potential investor if their
initial offer is not good but find ways of potential cooperation. Mr DAINTON noted that in the
investment proposal, there was mention of a subsidiary in a specific region, which could be
considered.

2024 #01 Executive Board Meeting minutes
https://documents.ittf.sport/sites/default/files/public/2024-06/2024-02-19_EB_Minutes_p_0.pdf
5. Operations

...

5.1.1. Forecast 2023

...

Mr BROWN also presented on cashflow, noting that the ITTF has a line of credit with UBS bank,
with about CHF1.78m having been utilised, and reported that the paperwork for the agreed
increase of such line of credit from the current CHF2.4m to CHF4m as agreed in December is
being made. It was also noted that a loan facility for World Table Tennis with World Sports, and
that this line of credit will help ease cashflow issues until the completion of the Olympic Games.

...


13. Other Business
Mr RYU requested the floor and presented before the EB a video exhibiting the making of the
rackets, which he had presented at the beginning of the meeting to the EB members.

Mr LIU was invited to close the meeting.

Mr LIU noted that the meeting had gone very smoothly, and from all the reports it could be seen
that there had been big efforts made since Durban to make WTT healthier in all areas and
functioning better. Mr LIU noted that following the XTWC in Chengdu, three cities in China had
expressed interest in hosting a Grand Smash event (Hangzhou, Chongqing, and Beijing).

Mr LIU added that the Chinese capital showed a great interest and positive attitude. Beijing had
not hosted a high-level international event since the first China World Championships in 1961.
Following the recent Lunar New Year Celebrations, the Beijing government has already started
their work by sending a delegation to Chengdu to learn from the successful experience of the
XTWC. Mr LIU opined this is a great opportunity to develop events in major cities. Successful
events in ITTF can influence WTT events and vice versa. Chengdu’s biggest success was the
sold-out sessions for all days, and this success could only be achieved with the support of the
ITTF. Mr LIU noted that he believes the spectators are the focus point and that he wants to build
a business and marketing team to develop this area.

2024 #02 Executive Board Meeting minutes
https://documents.ittf.sport/sites/default/files/public/2024-06/2024-02-25_EB_Minutes_p_0.pdf
5. Operations
5.1. Finances (update from Finance Forum)
Dr MESHREF was invited to address the EB about the Finance Forum on 24 February 2024.

Dr MESHREF reported that there was very good attendance, a sign that the members wanted to
understand the finances. Many questions and good answers were given. Dr MESHREF noted that
the most important question was about the investment from World Sports, which is a key issue
on the audited financial statements, suggesting that it is a priority to deal with it.

Ms SÖRLING opened the floor to any further remarks. There were no further remarks.

5.2. HR
The EB noted the report from HR which was included in the package.

Mr DAINTON noted from his discussions with Dr MESHREF that the changes made to the
structure need to be reflected in an updated chart, which will be done.

Dr MESHREF queried whether the ‘gradual easing of the hiring freeze’ would mean that WTT
would start actively hiring – which Dr MESHREF opined was one of the issues causing the cash
flow problems. Dr MESHREF noted that the term ‘gradual easing’ should not be overused.

Mr DAINTON noted that the hiring freeze was a hard freeze and hard stop. However, the gradual
lift of the freeze would not mean the floodgates would open. Mr DAINTON noted that many
people have resigned from WTT, and a new solution needs to be sought for the WTT structure.

Dr MESHREF asked specifically if the CFO position would be reflected in the revised chart, which
Ms SÖRLING confirmed.

...

7. World Table Tennis
7.1. Investment Update
Mr DAINTON recalled the EB meeting in Lausanne, where it was noted that there had been
several different proposals from a prospective investor and that WTT had not been very satisfied
with those initial offers mainly as it would be taking over a large portion of control from WTT
with a financial contribution amount lower than expected. Since his December report, WTT have
replied to decline this offer and the prospective investor is currently working on revising their
offer, combining it with the hosting of a Grand Smash. Mr DAINTON noted that this would lower
the company's value and that there would be more back and forth with the prospective investor.

Mr DAINTON reported that the Saudi Smash has been confirmed and added that there have
been discussions with another investment company (“second prospective investor”) that had
interest in WTT but their feedback was that WTT’s value is not in the size this second prospective
investor would consider for an investment. Mr DAINTON noted that there is a long way to go for
WTT and echoed Dr AZEVEDO's call for WTT to be more aggressive to catch up to these levels.

Dr MESHREF noted that it is good news that other interest parties want to invest in WTT and
echoed Mr OSHODI’s suggestion not to look for investors but for other sponsors for the moment.

Ms SÖRLING recalled that during the first discussion about the first prospective investor in
Durban, it was agreed that provided the cash flow situation can be managed, it is certainly better
to delay the sale of shares until the company’s valuation grows.

Mr NATRAN noted the few topics to address in negotiations, such as cash flow and strategic
partners, which are linked to the shares and ownership of WTT. Mr NATRAN was glad to hear
that the credit lines and cash flow management in the previous months have improved the
situation, alleviating pressure, agreeing with Ms SÖRLING, Dr MESHREF and Mr DAINTON that
it would be better to wait for a better position of WTT before involving potential new investors.
Mr NATRAN concluded that having strategic partners is just as important as liquidity.

Ms SÖRLING added that the newly created Business Development Unit (BDU) was created with
the aim of bringing new sponsors and business streams.

7.2. Calendar

...

Ms SÖRLING was pleased to hear of a fuller calendar of events and thanked the team for working
hard on this. Ms SÖRLING noted while sponsors are important, it is also important to have a
business model that helps not only WTT earn money but also local organisers to earn money in
order to keep them as organisers. Ms SÖRLING noted that there are ongoing efforts to review
the business model.

2024 #03 Executive Board Meeting minutes
https://documents.ittf.sport/sites/default/files/public/2024-12/2024-05-22_EB_Minutes_p.pdf
4. CEO Report / Strategic Plan

...

In relation to the WTT Structure and investment, Mr DAINTON thanked Dr MESHREF for his visit
to Macao to discuss with the investor and concluded his report speaking about the Olympic and
Paralympic Games preparation.

Ms SÖRLING and Dr MESHREF noted that with the deadline for the Audit to be completed in
June, it would be good to finalise the proposed solution earlier.

...

5. Operations

...

5.2. Finances
The EB agreed to review the Finance Report in the coming days as it was received a short time
before the meeting. Dr MESHREF reflected on the very small headcount in the Finance
Department, suggesting attention is put to this area to ensure operations can run with normality.

Mr DAINTON echoed Dr MESHREF and expressed his concern about the low retention in that
department with a few staff leaving the organisation.
 
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According to Wuhan Municipal Sports Bureau in 2022, the royalty fee for WTT CS cost over US$3 million.

According to Taiyuan Sport Bureau, WTT CT Taiyuan 2023 pulled in CN¥4.4143 million (~US$602k) in ticket revenue, which was collected by Kaicheng Sports, failed to be handed over to the Taiyuan Finance Bureau.

追踪WTT商业化之路:雷姓神秘商人与一宗隐秘的股权变更 (Tracking WTT's commercialization path: A mysterious businessman named Lei and a secret equity change)
https://www.jiemian.com/article/12236365.html
https://news.sina.com.cn/c/2025-01-12/doc-ineesksh4110986.shtml
  1月6日,据武汉城市留言板,网友在2023年曾发帖问“武汉能不能举办一场乒乓球比赛”。武汉市体育局对此回应称,“2022年特邀相关单位到武汉进行考察,经综合评估,该赛事最终未能落户武汉,主要原因是办赛经费过高,WTT冠军赛仅版权费就高达300多万美元”。

...

  另一则有关WTT的财务问题引发关注,其中亦涉及雷振剑与中国著名足球评论员刘建宏。1月7日,微博认证为ESPN中文网西甲记者的杜立言发布了《WTT常规挑战赛太原站2023办赛经费绩效评价报告》有关图片,这份报告的主管单位是太原市体育局,发布于2024年8月。

  报告中提到,“滨河体育中心语开承体育签订的《WTT 常规挑战赛太原站2023 赛事运营合作协议》,存在合同内容及跟踪管理不严谨的情形。关于合同内容,由于协议未规定款项支付方式、支付时间,截至绩效评价日,开承体育收到的 441.43万元赛事票房收入未交到太原市财政局,合作协议内容不够严谨。”
 
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Working in WTT is a very tough job.
often the employees are not respected enough.

For those that can just compare 2024 to say 2022
WTT has more than double its coverage, if not tripled.
the staff now need to do 2 to 3 times the work load and there is no stop work, due to non stop competition.

so with such high pressure environment, the retention rate will always be challenging.
but I also doubt, they have the money to double or triple the work force.
 
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well, this guy is a bit more polite and does have some facts
the other is really from the circus.
Keep in mind that he would need to be able to suppress his issues in real life in order to get by. Otherwise he would be unemployable. It wouldn't be difficult to be civilised for a post or two on the internet compared to what he does in real life.

Inevitably his issues will be revealed though, usually when he realises that his attempt at 'charming' has failed and he receives resistance. This is exactly what you see here.

You can imagine how dangerous it would be if an ex-partner or family member were being targeted like this. Unfortunately this is reality for a lot of people. This guy isn't unique.
 
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