Can Chunli Li go to London olympic??

[NTclub]

Yesterday, a New zealand woman tabletennis player (50 year old) obtained the right to London olympic in 2012 Oceania Olympic Qualification Tournament.
http://www.ittf.com/competitions/competitions2.asp?Competition_ID=2125&category=OG

She has a big problem. What is it?

It is the problem whether or not New Zealand Olympic Comittee send her to London Olympic.

Accoding to the regulation of New Zealand Olympic Comittee, New Zealand Olympic Comittee send a player having a high ranking to a olympic game.

The younger sister Karen Li quarified the qualification of Bejing Olympic, however, New Zealand Olympic Comittee did not send her to Bejing Olympic.

See this news.
http://www.stuff.co.nz/archived-stu...NZ-table-tennis-misses-out-on-Olympics-ticket

Chunli Li has no ranking, Can Chunli Li go to London olympic??
I hope that she is possible to go to London.

Please, give me good idea!

The communication board of NT club
http://sports.geocities.jp/nttabletennisuclub/index.html

 

[azlan]

For the Olympics I think any player should go as long as they get through the qualifying..period. It shouldn't go down to rankings. So, most countries will have a fair opportunity to send their players to compete. It's about bringing the world closer together through sports. If a country have the resources/funds and their athletes actually qualify, they should be allowed to participate in the game, regardless of their world ranking.

 

[azlan]

For the Olympics I think any player should go as long as they get through the qualifying..period. It shouldn't go down to rankings. So, most countries will have a fair opportunity to send their players to compete. It's about bringing the world closer together through sports. If a country have the resources/funds and their athletes actually qualify, they should be allowed to participate in the game, regardless of their world ranking.

 

[NTclub]

I agree

I agree with azlan. Maybe, this problem relates to financial issue. IF many people contribute a sum of money, we think that this problem will be solved.

 

[azlan]

I also think that the Olympics should not carry any points. It should be open to pros and amateurs. You do well in the qualifying, you are in the games. Olympics are special, it should be above all the ranking points, politics and special treatments just because you're the best. You still have to go through the qualifying. If you're the best, it shouldn't be a problem for you to qualify, should it?

 

[NTclub]

According to ITTF selection system for London olympic system,
(1) ranking 1-28 players (2 players/one country)
(2) qualifiers from continental qualification and
(3) players whom ITTF and IOC recommend
can go to London olympic.
Regarding to (1), a strong player of a rich country can obtain high points of for ranking because the player can enter the ITTF tournament.
Please note that ITTF tournaments are held in some poor countries in order to submit financial help.
Regarding to (2), a strong player of a poor country can go to London olympic.

Therefore, I think that ITTF selection system is balanced for singles of London olympic.
However, the selection system for the team tournament is strange. The teams are selected according team ranking points.
The team ranking points are determined by ranking points of players. There are no tournaments for team qualification.

In USA, there is a tournament for selecting players for entering North American continental qualification. I think that USA is a democratic country.
In Japan, two players were determined automatically based on ITTF ranking 1-28. The Japanese tabletennis association decides a third player who enters the continental qualification. China is the same.

 

[sarahherlee]

Hi NTClub! I have written a blog post relating to this thread topic..! Might be of interest or use to you?.... and at the end, there is a link under "comments" which others have suggested ways perhaps to push for sending NZ players that are qualified... =)

http://www.sarahherlee.com/2012/03/oceania-olympic-qualifying-2012-making.html#more

 

[Goldenwing]

The issue seems to relate to NZ's arhcaic and discriminatory regulations rather than those of ITTF or the Olympics. I do hope the NZ Olympics Committee will allow her to go. Great injustice was done when Chunli's sister Karen was not allowed to attend the 2008 Beijing Olympics.

 

[ttEDGE - William]

The NZ Olympic Committee has a long history of not sending qualified athletes to the Olympics. In fact it is very rare that NZ players get to go. Highly unlikely that Chun Li or Phil will get to compete which is a terrible shame.

 

[Matt Hetherington]

Well the NZOC have told TTNZ that they won't even really consider a case from Phillip unless he can prove prior to their decision date that he can beat players ranked top 100 in the world, so I would say it's almost impossible for Phillip to go at this stage.

Chunli has a better chance because of her track record at bigger events, Commonwealth Games, World Cup etc. But I think NZOC will probably say her capability to repeat success at that level is close to diminished.

I'm with William on this one, I can't see either of them being allowed to participate in London. I have my fingers crossed though

 

[azlan]

A real shame. NZ is not actually a poor 3rd world country with limited funds, is it? Olympics is not about winning, it's about bringing the world closer, it's about participations. If NZ is thinking of medals, the only team that should go are the rugby 7's and track cycling team. Malaysia will only be sending their track cycling and badminton squads. Countries like Gambia should just forget about it. It's atrocious and ridiculous.

If they don't want to send Chunli, then they should've send the youngsters through the qualifying. If they qualify, then send them instead. It's all politics I think..absolutely rubbish!

 

[Matt Hetherington]

I agree entirely. Any player who qualifies in their region is GOOD ENOUGH to compete. The unfortunate thing is that now if the NZ players don't get to participate then the spots are given to players from Vanuatu, who's standard is far inferior to the NZ and Aus players, a great opportunity for them but if Vanuatu will fund their players to go, why won't NZ!

 

[WiWa]

I agree entirely. Any player who qualifies in their region is GOOD ENOUGH to compete. The unfortunate thing is that now if the NZ players don't get to participate then the spots are given to players from Vanuatu, who's standard is far inferior to the NZ and Aus players, a great opportunity for them but if Vanuatu will fund their players to go, why won't NZ!

Lol, Vanuatu.... I remember that name from playing FIFA, it would be the best option when you were searching for the lowest rated team I can imagine their TT standard is inferior to most other countries too.

 

[azlan]

What??!! You mean even Vanuatu could afford to send a team?? I'm not sure how the qualification system for the Oceania works, but if sacrificing NZ and the Aussie team so that Vanuatu may participate is just wrong. What's the point doing a qualification round in the 1st place? Besides, it won't be healthy for the development of the sport in Vanuatu..coz at the end of the day they will know that they're going to the Olympics every 4 years, regardless.

If that's the case, sport politics is in play here and it could be detrimental for the sport in the long run, especially in the development of players in the Oceania region. What's the point, NZ and Aussie players train like heck, and Vanuatu will go instead. Vanuatu will not improve too knowing that they'll go anyway.

 

[Matt Hetherington]

What more can be said

 

[Matt Hetherington]

It was confirmed just a week ago in a congratulatory letter to the Vanuatu Olympic Committee from the ITTF, that the two athletes from Vanuatu: Anolyn Lulu and Yoshua Singh have qualified for the Olympics. This means that New Zealand, Phillip Xiao and Li Chunli have not qualified from Oceania.

 

[Matt Hetherington]

Just received confirmation that Chunli's Olympic hopes are still alive and it has been confirmed that she will compete in Doha, though the chance of making it is tough

 

[d@vid]

Just received confirmation that Chunli's Olympic hopes are still alive and it has been confirmed that she will compete in Doha, though the chance of making it is tough

Is it because Doha is a World event rather than "just" a continental qualification? Then she can prove to the NZ committee that she is "worth" sending to the olympics?

I wish Tahitian players could participate in the Oceanian qualifications. They definitively have a chance against Joshua. Fortunately, the Tahitian olympic committee is discussing with the French Committee and IOC about a possible way to allow French Polynesian athletes to take part in the Olympics in the future.

 

[Matt Hetherington]

Is it because Doha is a World event rather than "just" a continental qualification? Then she can prove to the NZ committee that she is "worth" sending to the olympics?

I wish Tahitian players could participate in the Oceanian qualifications. They definitively have a chance against Joshua. Fortunately, the Tahitian olympic committee is discussing with the French Committee and IOC about a possible way to allow French Polynesian athletes to take part in the Olympics in the future.

Yes that's essentially what she is trying to do, though there are only 2 places so it will be ridiculously tough. Yea Ocean Belrose would wipe the floor with Yoshua Singh

 

[UpSideDownCarl]

Somebody has to go and smack the New Zealand Olympic Committee around a little. It is ridiculous that if players from NZ qualify they still will not get sent unless they can demonstrate that they have the potential to finish in the top 16 in the tournament.

I remember when Sarah wrote about that and I was outraged. It goes against what sports are. You cannot guarantee a result in sport. That is what makes them so exciting. When an underdog wins a big upset match, it is great to see. It goes against the spirit of sport. Doing your best, trying your hardest and seeing what happens. It goes against the Olympic spirit, the spirit of countries from all across the globe getting together, putting aside their differences and battling it out in the arena of sport for the sake of camaraderie, bringing disparate cultures closer, for the sake of having your countries athletes connect with and meet athletes from all over the globe.

Here is the thread where I wrote a big giant piece on how off and nonsensical what the NZOC is doing to their athletes and to themselves:

http://www.tabletennisdaily.co.uk/f...eam-and-pulling-out-(&highlight=sarah+her-lee

Sarah's thread about why she pulled out and did not even bother to try and qualify still is pertinent here.