changing clubs

[pleta-lameka]

I was playing for a club that was close to my house.
Now I moved and go to a different one.
I want to play for the new one.
Turns out the old one wants to actually receive money for my "pass".
Is this common? Would you be upset if you weren't allowed to play for any club you wanted?
It makes me feel a bit like a pro though I am definitely not one

 

[raazzz]

Sounds odd, especially if you aren't a pro.

 

[Cornel]

Do you have a contract or something with your old club? If not, they just don't have any reason for requesting money from your new club, and especially for not allowing you to play for your new club. If I weren't allowed to play for the club I wanted, I wouldn't be upset, I would be ANGRY!

 

[gman4911]

Turns out the old one wants to actually receive money for my "pass".

Most clubs here in the US require players to prepay for a daily/monthly/yearly membership. If you move while your membership is active, the club usually doesn't refund you the unused portion unless it's part of the terms of the membership. If your membership doesn't allow a refund, I'm afraid you're out of luck.

 

[UpSideDownCarl]

I was playing for a club that was close to my house.
Now I moved and go to a different one.
I want to play for the new one.
Turns out the old one wants to actually receive money for my "pass".
Is this common? Would you be upset if you weren't allowed to play for any club you wanted?
It makes me feel a bit like a pro though I am definitely not one

I think you may need to explain the scenario more fully. Are you pro or semi-pro? Or just a player who likes to play? When you say "playing for a club", were you on their team? Or do you just mean you played at the club?

Did you pay a membership? If yes, was the membership monthly? Yearly?

Are they asking you to pay them for them allowing you to change clubs? Play on the other club's team? Are they asking you to pay them money you have not already paid them? Or are they not giving you back the remainder of a membership that had a term (a length of time) attached to it?

Why would they be asking you to pay them to have them let you play somewhere else? What do you think?

 

[Der_Echte]

Maybe you could tell the old club to do the hamstring stretch standing?

 

[Cornel]

Maybe you could tell the old club to do the hamstring stretch standing?

Der_Echte, rough but true words. I was thinking about exactly the same, what will happen if you simply don't pay anything to your old club, and continue to play for your new one?

 

[brabhamista]

If it's a contractual issue you'd be best adviced to take it up with your national association. Likewise if you don't have a contract as a player for the old club. It might be that your old club is trying to pull a fast one. If so, the national association needs to know and will set them straight.

 

[UpSideDownCarl]

Yep, I basically agree with Der_Echte: if they are asking you for money so they will allow you to play at a different club, introducing him to one of the big guys from prison who likes it when someone bends over to pick up the soap in the showers.

So the question is, were you playing FOR the club and do they have an exclusive contract for you to play on their team?

Or are you talking about having membership fee and they won't return the used portion?

But if it is just that you played there and now you play somewhere else, then that is just how it goes. If you eat in one restaurant you don't have to pay that restaurant so they will ALLOW you to go to another restaurant. If you buy a shirt from one store you don't need their approval to buy a different shirt from another store.


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[pleta-lameka]

It's a thing of the federation/association.
When players want to change clubs the old club has the right to ask for x amount of money to the new club for the player.
There is a maximum amount established for each division.
In my division this maximum amount is roughly 5 times the typical monthly fee you pay in a club.
So in my case when I asked to change the old club asked the maximum amount to the new club to let me go.
The new club said "ok we will pay this amount".
But if they didn't the old club wouldn't have let me go.

It's the first time I'm introduced to all this and it's a rather tense situation.
If he wanted to, the owner of the old club could let you go for free so you kind of feel like he is somehow trying to gain some money with you.
Also you feel somehow in debt with the new club.
Should I give the "pass" money to the new club?

 

[pleta-lameka]

Yep, I basically agree with Der_Echte: if they are asking you for money so they will allow you to play at a different club, introducing him to one of the big guys from prison who likes it when someone bends over to pick up the soap in the showers.

So the question is, were you playing FOR the club and do they have an exclusive contract for you to play on their team?

Or are you talking about having membership fee and they won't return the used portion?

But if it is just that you played there and now you play somewhere else, then that is just how it goes. If you eat in one restaurant you don't have to pay that restaurant so they will ALLOW you to go to another restaurant. If you buy a shirt from one store you don't need their approval to buy a different shirt from another store.


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It's not membership fee, here membership is paid monthly.

You don't have a contract with the club but you are one of the members of the club in the federation, which means you can only play for that club.
If you want to play for another club you need to be transferred.

So it's a different way of thinking.
A player for a club becomes an asset, like money in the bank
I guess that's the way pros feel about themselves.

 

[UpSideDownCarl]

Well, it is nothing I have heard of. But if they want another club to pay them in order for you to go to that club, it should be a situation where the first club was making money off of you, you were getting paid and it would be a loss to the company that you are playing elsewhere.

But I don't know what you should do here.


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[pleta-lameka]

Well, it is nothing I have heard of. But if they want another club to pay them in order for you to go to that club, it should be a situation where the first club was making money off of you, you were getting paid and it would be a loss to the company that you are playing elsewhere.

But I don't know what you should do here.

I think supposedly it's for what they taught you during the time you were a member of their club.
but you paid a monthly fee for that so I don't know...

 

[UpSideDownCarl]

I guess we are back to Der_Echte's comment.

They aren't asking you for the money. They are asking the other club for the money. Regardless, it sounds like BS to me.

I would talk to some official that oversees things like this and find out what you should do.

If someone tried to do that to me, I personally, would like to tell the new club not to pay a cent and the the old club to shove it. But I am not sure how things work in your country.


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[Killerspintt]

This is quite common in France. If you improved alot in a club, then your new club might have to pay a fee to the older club. It is very very common. And i'm not speaking about pro players of course.

To answer the OP question : in France it is very common.

 

[UpSideDownCarl]

This is quite common in France. If you improved alot in a club, then your new club might have to pay a fee to the older club. It is very very common. And i'm not speaking about pro players of course.

To answer the OP question : in France it is very common.

Wow. Interesting. Seems totally odd to me. But I live in USA where I am not sure that could happen. Different system.


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[pleta-lameka]

I guess we are back to Der_Echte's comment.

They aren't asking you for the money. They are asking the other club for the money. Regardless, it sounds like BS to me.

I would talk to some official that oversees things like this and find out what you should do.

If someone tried to do that to me, I personally, would like to tell the new club not to pay a cent and the the old club to shove it. But I am not sure how things work in your country.

actually the officials have it already planned.
there is a max amount of money the old club can ask the new club.
this max amount is set by the officials (the federation) and is the amount the old club asked the new club in my case.

I did tell the new club "hey I'm not sure you should pay that money" but they said "it's ok" and when I offered to pay a part of the sum they said "never mind, when you leave the club we will do the same"

 

[UpSideDownCarl]

Oh, pretty interesting. So different. I play in a few clubs and have never thought about it.


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[pleta-lameka]

Oh, pretty interesting. So different. I play in a few clubs and have never thought about it.

Actually this is my 4th club (that I play for in the federation, I've been to more clubs to play) but I had never heard of this.
Makes me wonder if the other transfers involved money as well.

 

[pleta-lameka]

This is quite common in France. If you improved alot in a club, then your new club might have to pay a fee to the older club. It is very very common. And i'm not speaking about pro players of course.

To answer the OP question : in France it is very common.

I didn't improve a lot in that club.
When I left I was in the same division as when I arrived to the club.
Also I barely trained, mostly just once a week.