Chinese Trials for World Championships 2017

[eyepop]

Is there another stage? 1 more spot left for grabs?

The remaining 3 spots will be granted by LGL and the coaching staff after closed sessions in April.

 

[Suga D]

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How did you manage to implement a GIF file? Everytime i've tried that it didn't work. Could it be my browser?

 

[kirua18]

How did you manage to implement a GIF file? Everytime i've tried that it didn't work. Could it be my browser?

Just insert adress of GIF as an image (insert image, then put URL).

Example : https://i.imgur.com/AjGuGOH.gif

 

[Suga D]

Just insert adress of GIF as an image (insert image, then put URL).

Example : https://i.imgur.com/AjGuGOH.gif

Will try. Thanks a lot.

 

[Michal_Z]

Ma Long is going for sure.
The rest is the question..?
I wouldnt put Xu Xin in, but we will see..
Will we see some new face or LGL will just send old faces like XX and ZJK or FB?

 

[Filip]

Of course they should put Xu Xin in (and Ma Long of course). XX is not going to lose against anyone unexpected, but liang jinkun could lose against for example against Kenta Matsudaira (cheating not taking into account), or Zhou Yu lost against Mengel not a long time ago,...

XX en ML are going for sure, it is also a good idea to do so, because of the world ranking, that way, they can avoid each other until the semis, if LJK plays, he can play against Ma Long in the first round f.e. If Zhang Jike is going, that is the big question. If he is not, it will be LJK, i guess

 

[Yecats Encerwal]

Of course they should put Xu Xin in (and Ma Long of course). XX is not going to lose against anyone unexpected, but liang jinkun could lose against for example against Kenta Matsudaira (cheating not taking into account), or Zhou Yu lost against Mengel not a long time ago,...

XX en ML are going for sure, it is also a good idea to do so, because of the world ranking, that way, they can avoid each other until the semis, if LJK plays, he can play against Ma Long in the first round f.e. If Zhang Jike is going, that is the big question. If he is not, it will be LJK, i guess

XX lost to Mizutani in Rio, lets not forget

 

[NextLevel]

XX lost to Mizutani in Rio, lets not forget

Mizutani is world #5/6, that is not someone unexpected.

 

[Takkyu_wa_inochi]

Mizutani is world #5/6, that is not someone unexpected.

it was unexpected because despite being world #5/6 Mizutani had never beaten any of the Chinese top players in perhaps 30-40 matches...
and despite having had 6 match points in an ITTF open against the same XU Xin some months ago

 

[NextLevel]

it was unexpected because despite being world #5/6 Mizutani had never beaten any of the Chinese top players in perhaps 30-40 matches...
and despite having had 6 match points in an ITTF open against the same XU Xin some months ago

Yes, but when the original poster (Filip) said "unexpected opponent", he was talking abut how solid XX generally was, not saying that he can't lose to anyone at all. Mizutani played Ma Long well at the Olympics.

 

[Yecats Encerwal]

Mizutani is world #5/6, that is not someone unexpected.

So he is expected to lose to Mizutani?

 

[UpSideDownCarl]

So he is expected to lose to Mizutani?

Come on Yecats, you know what NextLevel meant. A top Chinese player losing to one of the top 2 non-Chinese players may be a bit of an upset. But it is not the same as XX losing to WR #40-60 or even WR #11. It is not XX getting knocked out in the first round which has happened to LJK and FB.

Look at XX's record against non-CNT players through his career. How many times has he lost to anyone not on CNT? What win percentage vs non-CNT. He is pretty darn solid. Who knows what happened at the Olympics? But he clearly had a bad tournament.

There have been times when ML had a bad tournament too. ZJK has had it happen plenty of times.


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[Yecats Encerwal]

Come on Yecats, you know what NextLevel meant. A top Chinese player losing to one of the top 2 non-Chinese players may be a bit of an upset. But it is not the same as XX losing to WR #40-60 or even WR #11. It is not XX getting knocked out in the first round which has happened to LJK and FB.


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Of course, its not the same level of "unexpected", but it is still an unexpected loss which is why I replied to the original post

As you know, for the CNT, losing to anyone outside China nowadays is considered a big unexpected loss. People made a big fuss when ZJK lost to Dima, who wasn't ranked much lower than #5 at the time

 

[Yecats Encerwal]

Of course, its not the same level of "unexpected", but it is still an unexpected loss which is why I replied to the original post

As you know, for the CNT, losing to anyone outside China nowadays is considered a big unexpected loss. People made a big fuss when ZJK lost to Dima, who wasn't ranked much lower than #5 at the time

To add to this, XX lost to JM in the OLYMPICS. The biggest event there is and an event where the Chinese are expected to be super dominant. This in itself makes it more unexpected, just like ZJK losing to Dima in WTTC

 

[NextLevel]

Come on Yecats, you know what NextLevel meant. A top Chinese player losing to one of the top 2 non-Chinese players may be a bit of an upset. But it is not the same as XX losing to WR #40-60 or even WR #11. It is not XX getting knocked out in the first round which has happened to LJK and FB.

Look at XX's record against non-CNT players through his career. How many times has he lost to anyone not on CNT? What win percentage vs non-CNT. He is pretty darn solid. Who knows what happened at the Olympics? But he clearly had a bad tournament.

There have been times when ML had a bad tournament too. ZJK has had it happen plenty of times.


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Thanks, Carl. Ma Long has destroyed Freitas and Dima many times. But I remember that the last two times, Freitas took a game off Ma Long. The first time he did it, the first 3 games were going as usual, but Freitas found a level in the 4th game especially that changed the tone of the match. After the match, when asked why he struggled, Ma Long said something to the effect that losing a game to someone in the top 10 is a normal result.

I know the level at which these guys makes it easy to take their excellence for granted but Mizutani could easily be on the CNT. Ask the CNT players themselves how many of them have never taken a game off Ma Long despite getting to play him often, you might be pretty surprised. I am sure if Dima beat Ma Long, it would cause a major stir, but no one would call it a result that was outright impossible.

 

[Garrison]

Usually if a chinese gets beaten it is in the team competition (Boll vs ZJK in 2012, JM vx XX in 2016) where it is bo5 and not bo7. The longer the game the more likely the better player pulls through.

 

[NextLevel]

Okay, people. Bottom line is that other than Ma Long and Fan, who would you take in a match against any non-Chinese player?

I thought so. Kill the academic discussion please.

 

[Filip]

I did not think it was so unexpected, as Mizutani was really shining in the singles event, he had the confidence. And he was getting closer and closer to XX. And indeed, with unexpected, I mean more like you would not even think he stands a chance. Xu Xin would not lose against Mengel like Zhou Yu. Liang Jingkun should have lost to Matsudaira in my opinion, Xu Xin would not, even in the best tournament of Matsudairas life (WTTC 2013) XX did not lose. So they are going to send him.

And everyone forgets about the ranking. But it is better for the chinese team to send even ZJK, as then it is more likely they can have an all chinese semi-final

 

[UpSideDownCarl]

Everyone has bad days.

Yes, CNT is always expected to win. Part of that is that they always have 3-5 guys who nobody outside of the CNT has a good percentage against. But they don't all win all the time.

Can someone post the stats of how many times XX has lost to a non-CNT player?

I think it is a VERY HIGH winning percentage throughout his entire career.


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[rainneverever]

Here are some stats of a CNT player losing to a non-CNT player, including junior tournaments, excluding inj/dsq
# of losses / # of matches
ZJK: 25/282 (2013-present, 10/107)
ML: 23/406 (2013-present, 0/129)
XX: 10/309 (2013-present, 4/160)
FZD: 5/171 (2013-present, 5/155)
FB: 10/93 (2013-present, 4/44)

Everyone has bad days.

Yes, CNT is always expected to win. Part of that is that they always have 3-5 guys who nobody outside of the CNT has a good percentage against. But they don't all win all the time.

Can someone post the stats of how many times XX has lost to a non-CNT player?

I think it is a VERY HIGH winning percentage throughout his entire career.


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