club players and coaching

[janovewaldnerstwin]

gonna practice with a top junior who comes from my club.Any tips?Me blocking or receiving his professional serves for practice.Im at club Rn and I got 5 more hours

 

[janovewaldnerstwin]

any practice tips

 

[UpSideDownCarl]

Practice tip. Have fun.

 

[ttmonster]

These days, most of the times I consider a 10 times before posting in a thread because it seems Carl has become the last bastion against the invasion of trolls on TTD ... anyways ... good that you posted videos , otherwise you would have stayed in my ignore list ... here are few things I wanted to say to you ...
1. one of the key things in table tennis is to be relaxed , the one of the major qualities needed to be relaxed is to be patient. So that is a quality that you urgently need to develop whether you have ADHD or not.
2. even for kids the development in table tennis skills happens in very subtle ways , almost imperceptible . Asking for tips every 10 minutes and checking if you are improving or not , is like checking your height every hour to see if you are growing taller .... you have to just let it go and it will happen automatically , it cannot become worse , simply because you have a coach ,he is pretty decent ...
3. now tips for your technique and form boils down to the same things I told you earlier, be patient and relax ... be patient to let the ball come to your hitting zone , you are rushing and thats why the ball is not staying on your rubber and has less spin .... and I did hear your coach talk to you about your shoulder, take his advise please ... and relax so that you can reset quickly , the loop in table tennis is like a dance movement and the reset movement after the loops is part of the stroke , finishing the loop and watching the ball is not going to help ,you have to immediately do your reset hop and back to your neutral position ... especially during drill, in game play it will happen automatically ...
4. Now carl may disagree with me because he prefer the timo boll technique where looping arm finishes on the opposite shoulder , I like the more classic technique where it finishes on the forehand like a salute ... you might want to check that with your coach , it might be the reason why your elbow and shoulder is moving more ... but there are more than one way to do something and there is nothing wrong with the stroke as long as you stay relaxed , wait for the ball to come to your zone , swing from the waist and reset ..
5. tip for practicing ... relax and have fun ...

 

[Der_Echte]

gonna practice with a top junior who comes from my club.Any tips?Me blocking or receiving his professional serves for practice.Im at club Rn and I got 5 more hours

In any club where there are way better players than yourself... one excellent thing you can do to be useful is to be able to consistently block in a controlled manner... block everything and to where the better player wants it.

You do that, and you can be welcome with players 3-4 levels better than you.

Another thing to be useful is to be flexible and execute a drill for them that they want, like make an opening topspin to a certain place so they can practice countering it. No the only drill, but you get the idea - be able and willing to make a quality ball where and how they want it with consistency.

You do that and you will be useful and welcome in any club that has higher level players training.

If you do not believe me, go spend a week in Carl's Septic Tank under his secret Crack House for a week with captured Goonies.

 

[ttmonster]

you are absolutely spot on as usual Der_Echte ... but I will tell you the other side of the story , having been a blocker for a lot of people for a lot of time, the ability to block and make a drill happen is not that common, and players simply don't pay attention when its their turn to block and feed the ball ... either they goof off or they are "too good" to be nice .. but I agree with you this is a very good way to become popular ... and get some table time with superior players

In any club where there are way better players than yourself... one excellent thing you can do to be useful is to be able to consistently block in a controlled manner... block everything and to where the better player wants it.

You do that, and you can be welcome with players 3-4 levels better than you.

Another thing to be useful is to be flexible and execute a drill for them that they want, like make an opening topspin to a certain place so they can practice countering it. No the only drill, but you get the idea - be able and willing to make a quality ball where and how they want it with consistency.

You do that and you will be useful and welcome in any club that has higher level players training.

If you do not believe me, go spend a week in Carl's Septic Tank under his secret Crack House for a week with captured Goonies.

 

[Der_Echte]

TTM,

Yes, you are right. There are surprisingly not too many players at any level who can do well where I recommended... that is why someone who can do that is of obvious value to the top players in any club.

Often, a lot of newer TT players really want that valuable time with better players... but let's face reality. A player many levels below offers absolutely nothing but a waste of time to such a better player, unless the better player wants coaching time with lower players.

So, a lower player who can offer value is often welcomed with the better players once it is known they can reliably block or help in any drill.

I do not know why such a player is rare.

OK, we know, you spelled it out, people are lazy, inconsiderate, or ADD unfocused.

 

[Ranger-man]

I also think that it is best to get the basics right as early as possible. On some of your serves the toss was barely legal, as in not high enough. So make sure you get that right and not get used to lower toss serves that might be borderline legal. Another thing to be mindful of is ball contact. You are serving pretty close to the table so just make sure the contact is not on the table.

Serve practice is an essential part of the game and I can do it for hours. You should always have more than one serve up your sleeve. Slow, fast, long, short. Once you have your basic serves down, then you can work on deception.

As Carl said, serve receive is all about practice and always watch what your opponent is doing to the ball so you can better judge the kind of spin being imparted on the ball. Serve receive is also about being fully committed to your return. No half-shots.

And you might want to bring some spare balls.

 

[janovewaldnerstwin]

I can block but the problem is it’s mostly top juniors and they train with eachother.I train with players who are at my level and they have quite matured shots on topspins.They goof about and if I train more with them my technique is not warmed up in a sense because they don’t want to do a consistent rally of me blocking their topspin.England don’t mostly have good clubs such as in London.Expensive too and a waste of money sometimes when u don’t get good coaching

 

[janovewaldnerstwin]

Let me record my blocking against a good player with decent spin and a good powerful quality.

 

[bircham boi]

Twin/ghost. No comment on strokes and play - others are telling you what you need to hear.

Comment on forum etiquette: posting two, three or four times in a row comes across as somehow impolite or needy. If you have two or three things to say, why not say them in a single post? An example: "so shorten arm length and twist my hips and body a bit more for a well POWERFUL forehand topspin shot.Also check match pls and I’m 13 Carl not 15" is immediately followed by "https://streamable.com/01l1q match play.The obvious thing I do is that I make the same serve I need variation.Pls feedback on other thingssssssss!". And that's then followed with "I’m gonna show serves too". Constant posting comes across as harassing. Most of us have other things to do with our lives than rushing to respond every time you feel like posting something.

And it really, really helps to acknowledge what others are saying. For example, Carl has suggested a number of times swinging a tennis racket, but got no response from you. He has no idea whether you're reading his posts or think he's just plain crazy. Say something in reply to people, even if it's, "sorry, I don't have a tennis racket". It's called dialogue.

 

[janovewaldnerstwin]

I don’t have a racket

 

[perham]

Twin/ghost. No comment on strokes and play - others are telling you what you need to hear.

Comment on forum etiquette: posting two, three or four times in a row comes across as somehow impolite or needy. If you have two or three things to say, why not say them in a single post? An example: "so shorten arm length and twist my hips and body a bit more for a well POWERFUL forehand topspin shot.Also check match pls and I’m 13 Carl not 15" is immediately followed by "https://streamable.com/01l1q match play.The obvious thing I do is that I make the same serve I need variation.Pls feedback on other thingssssssss!". And that's then followed with "I’m gonna show serves too". Constant posting comes across as harassing. Most of us have other things to do with our lives than rushing to respond every time you feel like posting something.

And it really, really helps to acknowledge what others are saying. For example, Carl has suggested a number of times swinging a tennis racket, but got no response from you. He has no idea whether you're reading his posts or think he's just plain crazy. Say something in reply to people, even if it's, "sorry, I don't have a tennis racket". It's called dialogue.

Don't bother. He doesn't care. People have told him numerous times.

 

[Ranger-man]

I don’t have a racket

You know. I could let this go. I guess you may need help with table tennis but you surely need no help in being a wise ass. So I will do better than let this go. I will just let you go and ignore everything you say from now on. Maybe it is not your game that makes the better players avoid you. Good luck being the next Waldner. I could be a wise ass too and tell you what I think about that ever happening but I won't.

 

[UpSideDownCarl]

I don’t have a racket

Hopefully you get that you are getting people on the forum annoyed with you.

Send me a PM to explain what this means. Don’t explain on here.


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[janovewaldnerstwin]

I’m saying I don’t have a tennis racket.... what else can I find then I’m not acting like I’m not listening I just don’t have one.

 

[UpSideDownCarl]

Here is the PM dialogue.

Tennis racket.I really do need to use something else right.My coach gave me a little weight which u use for bicep curls and he said do the forehand topspin.Is it for muscle memory or something.Should I do 1 to 1 coaching with him which costs 40 pounds for 1 hour

Well, if your parents or uncle knew someone who had a tennis racket you could borrow it would help you fix the power and hips issue in your FH stroke faster.

But if you just keep playing it will start to happen anyway. So it is not needed.

Any one-on-one coaching that you can get will be worthwhile. I don’t know what you can afford. But if you want to get better faster, that is the most important thing.

Group sessions are fine. But nowhere near as useful as one-on-one coaching. But what you get is going to be based on what you can afford.

I think what we are seeing is why kids like to post on Instagram but not on Facebook.

TwinGhost, when you post info it may help if you give full context and it you keep more ideas within one post.

If sentences are shorter than 8 words,most people on the forum won’t know what you mean in your post. If a post is less than 3 sentences, wait till you have more subjects to ask about.

Try to remember, even if you know what you mean, the people you are asking for help may not if your questions are not asked fairly clearly.


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[janovewaldnerstwin]

how u do a tennis forehand do u just swing it foward or

 

[UpSideDownCarl]

Next part of PM dialogue:

if u train
with players at ur level who miss the shot consistently and goof about in group sessions.I don’t improve but when 1 to 1 on multi ball I improve.Also how should I hit the tennis shot just put my left foot in front and right back.My coach said the hip rotation comes naturally.But I want to improve my technique faster so pls tell how to do tennis forehand shot

I understand. That is why working one on one with a coach will get you better faster than anything else.

Tennis: pretend it is a TT stroke and just try and drive the ball. But, yes. More turned than TT so right foot a little further back and left foot a little further forward.

Interesting how TwinGhost is explaining more fully in the PMs but not in his thread.


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[janovewaldnerstwin]

hey here’s video of me doing tennis swinging https://streamable.com/z4l06 is that ok or do I need to stay low more.Any tips I’m using tennis racket for transfer and pls judge if correct Carl or othersssssssss!.