Daily Table Tennis Chit Chat

says Spin and more spin.
says Spin and more spin.
🏆 Top 1% Commenter
Well-Known Member
Moderator
Dec 2010
16,640
18,535
56,964
Read 11 reviews
The shadow stroke looks much better than it did when you showed me how you were trying to do your FH back when you were in NYC. Back then your game stroke was better than the shadow. These look okay now. Perhaps they could be more relaxed but they look fundamentally sound.


Sent from the Subterranean Workshop by Telepathy
 
  • Like
Reactions: OldschoolPenholder
This user has no status.
This user has no status.
🏆 Top 1% Commenter
Well-Known Member
Moderator
Oct 2014
19,984
26,546
70,922
Read 17 reviews
Played a tournament today. Got there late because my car didn't start as the battery had worn down. When I got there, I found out that they had put the girl who beat me on Tuesday in my RR for the U2350. Her and a guy now in college who I don't think I have beaten in almost a year now. Oh well - I go hit the practice tables. MY camera is damaged so I have to get a new one - I am pissed.

So when I come back, I play the guy. I win the first game 11-9 and I am up in the second game 7-4. Am I going to end the year of losing to this 2200 kid? As good as my forehand was, it was not to be. I started missing, lost the second game at 9, lost the third game, and in the fourth game, was up 10-8 but ended up losing 13-15. Sucks balls, man.

Then I play the girl. And like Tuesday, I go up 2-0, firing away on almost all cylinders as I am warmed up this time. Like Tuesday in the 3rd game, I go down 1-5. Like Tuesday, I lose the 3rd and 4th game and go into a deciding 5th. Not looking good. Unlike Tuesday, I am the first to get to 5 and go up 6-3. They call a timeout for the girl, but the time out throws her off - she has some high ball issues - in general, she missed easy shots - I wish I could have called it some great play of mine that made it 11-4, but other than the third ball loop kill to end the match, it was really bad play after the 3rd game.

Then in the quarters, I played the kid with medium pips who I lost to in the semis of the U2000 last time. In the first two games, he returned my backspin serve really badly. In the 3rd game, we were tied at 6-6 and then I win 4 points in a row to get to match point. And then he wins 3 in a row to get to 9-10. I served, he pushed , I looped, he blocks with the pips, I loop again and he blocks long - PHEW!

So now I go play my U2000 RR. I play an older blocker who I have played quite a few times at that tournament - he usually pisses me off with his stomping, I call him on it and he stops doing it, he wins the first game, then I come back and win the next 3 comfortably. We start the first game and I am murdering him. It's like 8-2 in a jiffy and 10-4 after that. He comes back to win the game 13-11. WTF?!?!?!? And of course, like clockwork, I win the next three games at 4,5 and 8.

In the semis of the U2350 , I play a 2300+ guy. Men, this guy serves heavy reverse sidespin with his backhand into my wide forehand. Let's just say that if I could have returned his serve reasonably well, then MAYBE I would have made the match interesting. But other than a few good highlight shots, I was roadkill.

I then play the 3rd place match of the 2350. I was playing a forehand looper and I just could not avoid his forehand. I think that changes in my forehand technique played into his hands as I was trying to be more aggressive. In any case, I lost 3 straight. He was the same guy I beat twice to break USATT 2000 almost 2 years ago now.

Then I came back to my U2000 RR and played an older guy who plays at the club. He plays me a lot and I usually torture him, though recently, by using a fast Andro blade with skyline on forehand and OVA on backhand, he has gotten more consistent with his style, which is to drop even long pushes short until you pop up his short balls, after which he goes Jet Li on you. I wasn't looking forward to this. I won the first game at 8, he won the second game at 8. And in the 3rd game, I can't make a shot and I am popping up the ball and I go down 8-2. So I say freak it and stop hitting the ball hard against his openings or pushes unless he floats a push long. And weirdly, he starts missing. I get it to 8-8 and win the game 11-9. That must have broken his heart as he lost the last game at 1.

In the U2000 QF, I play the son of a buddy of mine. The kid is 10, maybe 11 and pretty short like his father. But the annoying thing about kids who are short is that they keep the ball low, tend to know what to do with low backspin, and hit the ball with full strokes. That said, I know a thing or two about playing kids who have not developed good footwork. I push to their backhands and let them open, forehand or backhand. I then block with my backhand from the forehand side into their wide forehand. I may use my forehand sometimes as well. When they chase that ball and bring it back, usually hihg, I sent it back into their backhand side with pace. I repeat this run around sadistically until the match is over or in this case, I do it a bit nicely since he is a buddy.

In the semis, I get another guy who is 1700 but really underrated and doesn't play enough since he is a family man. He was 1500 when I was 1300 and is a fantastic counterlooper. Now though, my all round play and defence was a bit too consistent.

So in the finals I am playing a kid that has an annoying awkward game and good touch. As with all kids, one day, he will leave me behind. But right now, it is annoying to lose to a kid who backs off the table and puts the ball into the sky. He serves short topspin so that you can hit the ball long or pop it up and then he can get into his theatrics. He sometimes hits the ball hard so you can't fall asleep. He also floats the ball sometimes or drops it short to toy with you. I go up 2-0 by attacking his short high topspin serve. The thing is that if you kill the ball towards him, he uses your pace to bring the ball back while you are over the table. So I mostly flick the ball to his wide forehand or backhand to move him out of position and try to make the block back. Then going for a loop in game 2, up 8-4, my muscles start tightening in my elbow and just give way. From then on, even though I won that game, the match was not the same. I could not open with my backhand without fatiguing it and I lost the match in 5. 2nd place in the U2000 was annoying, though after all I Was top seed and did lose to the second seed. But if my elbow had not deserted me, it would have been more.

I considered pulling out of the U2200 but said what the heck do I have to lose. I played the C player first and won in 3 straight - he had major issues returning my backspin serve and I think he got frustrated. Then I played my buddy D - won that in 4, but it is never fun or easy playing him. In the quarters, I had a bye as the #2 seed and in the semis, I got to play the kid that beat me in the U2000 final. I won the first two games easily just like in the U2000 finals. Then I went up 9-1 in game 3 and I knew it was over, so over that my body stopped playing and then it was 9-5. Then I got it to 10-5 and I lost 3 more points and it was 10-8. Then I called timeout. Then it was 10-9... then we play a point and loops long and I let out a loud CHOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!

And in the finals, who is waiting for me? THe medium pips kid! He upset the #1 seed, who I had lost to in the 3rd place match of the 2350. The medium pips kid had the kid I just beat and two other kids (the girl I beat in the morning and her friend) cheering loudly against me, joined by the father and the coach. Playing in the away club can be tough and I think I rushed too much and didn't play with enough spin. I lost in 3 straight. Other than the first game, not really competitive. Maybe beating the kid too easily in the morning hurt me.

So what were the takeaways? Some good improvement on my forehand in general and I think that is only going to get better as long as I stay healthy as I have found technique that taxes my shoulder less and rotates my core more even if imperfectly. I now need to be able to use it to counterloop with a short stroke and drill some footwork into the new forehand. MY backhand over the table and aspects of my mental game need improvement - need to keep concentration till the last point. I also need to work on serving to spots that force people to move and not straight into people's strokes. All in all, it is a good day when you make all your entry fees back even if you didn't win any event outright.
 
This user has no status.
This user has no status.
🏆 Top 1% Commenter
Well-Known Member
Jan 2016
5,314
6,828
27,630
@Archosaurus

its just a training match, recently we have 1 match every week. He's 17 and he's really improved a lot. 2-3 years ago, i would win him most of the time, then it became more even, then he started to beat me badly every time... but despite him improving, i managed to improve myself somewhat this year, and i got a few wins against him this year, though he's better. He's just getting too quick and powerful, and he can attack on both sides.

Actually we've played much better games together lately, he's not in a great day, he seems a bit less focused than usual, and i was 1 set all, 10-8 me to serve in the 3rd but i wasted my chance, i was weak mentally perhaps at this moment, and lost that match even i put a decent fight in the 4th. If i won the 3rd, maybe it would have been different. It also shows I lack a very good serve + 3rd ball high percentage combo to close a tight set/match at decisive moments.

In this game, i try not to step around too much because i was relying too much on my FH before and i want to balance my game. I think i'm better than b4 in BH. However, i see that sometimes i make a FH block where i should try to go for a counterloop. I think i make too many overmisses with my FH loop and BH opening shot. Part of reason (30-50% weight ?) i was putting a new set of rubbers, and that was the first time i played with it. I can see also that i'm not moving very well, because i end up quite a few times pushing long balls that really i should step around and attack.

But from a tactical point of view, that game shows a bit how I would ideally like to play, even if i end up missing quite a lot.

Else, blocking is one of my strong points. Even when i play a better player, and i am losing big, i will always make quite a few blocks which will make me look very good in a match...i think its a mix of reading well the ball, and being able to anticipate, not be afraid to get the ball right after the bounce, when the ball has a lot of power, i still go to the ball, but relaxing my grip, and try to control the direction, relaxing the grip makes the shot secure (the ball wont go out) but because i take the ball early and actively, the ball doesn't pop up and i surprise my opponent. I would be more on trouble on spinnier balls, where one should go to the ball as well, but close more the angle of the bat, timing is also sometimes trickier on the slower balls.

but the point for good block is to lower the body , both lower and upper body, and take the ball early off the bounce; especially on the spinnier balls, if you get it too late, its much more difficult to control the spin. Trying to block the ball too late, or worse, while moving back away from the table, is a sure recipe to miss
 
Last edited:
This user has no status.
This user has no status.
🏆 Top 1% Commenter
Well-Known Member
Aug 2015
1,662
1,564
4,397
Read 13 reviews
Second day of the tournament. Both events U1800, U2000

U1800= Third place just like the U1900 and for the same reason, lost to training partner AGAIN in semi's. Training partner took home the gold for this.

U2000= My balls grew to maximum size for this event and I broke out the long pips. Didn't get out of my RR group :(.

U2400= Our Japanese player beat all three of the "big dogs" that were his contenders in the Open on day 1. 3-0, 4-0, 4-0. I was impressed. Then I started to feel bad for him, realizing the only reason he lost the prior day was because nobody from our club plays at that level so that was the first time he'd played decent players in a long time.
 
This user has no status.
This user has no status.
🏆 Top 1% Commenter
Well-Known Member
Aug 2015
1,662
1,564
4,397
Read 13 reviews
Shuki, your local table tennis samurai sounds quite vicious indeed. Do post any video if you acquire any!

lots recorded, will do. Just can't wait for them to upload. also he used to play on the same team as my favorite player ^.^ Mizutani. He just got a new paddle since he didn't have one here in america, hurricane forehand. I asked him if he boosted, and he said "oh you mean oil?" I said yea and he said "no I don't know how can you teach me?" so he pooped on these guys with unboosted commercial hurricane.
 
  • Like
Reactions: OldschoolPenholder
says 2023 Certified Organ Donor
says 2023 Certified Organ Donor
🏆 Top 1% Commenter
Well-Known Member
Sep 2011
13,493
14,299
32,463
Read 27 reviews
I did Sunday Elite league and was very competitive vs the O2100 crowd. Won 3-0 vs a 2150s guy went 1-3 vs the others and had them under a lot of pressure. I played with Karis on the Hanibal unknowingly in the 3-0 win... I realized when I was showing Wade my KJH and he said what is Karis.

By the way, Karis is on the market now on our website. It is the first Nexy rubber I can truly play on my FH... Carl and NL know how picky my FH is...

I dropped to low 2010s in Chantilly league last week. This week should bring me back to 2040s. Ironic, at Smash TTC I almost went below 1800 this season.

Sent from my SM-T350 using Tapatalk
 
says Spin and more spin.
says Spin and more spin.
🏆 Top 1% Commenter
Well-Known Member
Moderator
Dec 2010
16,640
18,535
56,964
Read 11 reviews
I did Sunday Elite league and was very competitive vs the O2100 crowd. Won 3-0 vs a 2150s guy went 1-3 vs the others and had them under a lot of pressure. I played with Karis on the Hanibal unknowingly in the 3-0 win... I realized when I was showing Wade my KJH and he said what is Karis.

By the way, Karis is on the market now on our website. It is the first Nexy rubber I can truly play on my FH... Carl and NL know how picky my FH is...

I dropped to low 2010s in Chantilly league last week. This week should bring me back to 2040s. Ironic, at Smash TTC I almost went below 1800 this season.

I hit with Karis that trip to NYISC the first time you met OldSchool. It felt pretty decent.

The Elpis rubber plays pretty well too.


Sent from the Subterranean Workshop by Telepathy
 
  • Like
Reactions: OldschoolPenholder
says 2023 Certified Organ Donor
says 2023 Certified Organ Donor
🏆 Top 1% Commenter
Well-Known Member
Sep 2011
13,493
14,299
32,463
Read 27 reviews
Ironically a lot of people like Ellis on fh... not me.

The Karis you tried was Karis M... the medium sponged one... on Lissom... an Allround Evolution class ALL+ with gears.

I used Karis M+...the hard sponged version... on an OFF hard spinning blade. I couldn't realize the difference in performance compared to MX-p on kjh.

Sent from my SM-T350 using Tapatalk
 
  • Like
Reactions: OldschoolPenholder
This user has no status.
This user has no status.
🏆 Top 1% Commenter
Well-Known Member
Jan 2016
5,314
6,828
27,630
another disappointing tournament for me this weekend as well...

40-49 yo tournament
I'm in a 3 players mini league against 2 penholders that i've never played b4. I'm usually not at ease against penholders.
The first guy doesn't look that great, but plays his game without hesitation. I'm very slow to start and lose the 1st set easily. 2nd set i focus mainly on not making mistakes, i'm not playing great at all, I attack very little and just try to block his attacks, wait for his mistakes or an easy ball. and i win comfortably. 3rd set, same tactic and i'm ahead but at money time, i have 3 set points that i don't play very well, and i lose 14-12. It does look bad, however, i manage to stay calm, i stick to the same tactic, but try to be just a little more agressive, and i win the next 2 sets.

The second match is against a player which i think is quite better cause i've seen him play, and his team is in a higher division than mine, but surprisingly i win very easily the first 2 sets 5 and 6, my receive game looks better than usual and i receive short which puts him in a lot of trouble, and i block very well his attacks. From set 3, he ups his game, makes less easy mistakes, and his attacks now are on the table and very spinny. I don't adapt, he gets set 3 easily. In set 4, i start to lose confidence he gets a head start and leads 9-5 i come back 9-9 but he manages to close the set. It looks very bad for me and this time, its very bad indeed, emotionally im out of the game, he leads 10-3, until i manage to recover mentally to stage a mini come back to make it 7-11 to make it more honourable. A very bad loss because i wasn't able to take advantage of the situation and close that match. 2-0 up was flattering but i played well, but instead of thinking of it as a gift and playing positively to get the last set that i needed i was kind of waiting for him to give it to me like the first 2... very bad mentality cost me dear.

That left the 2 other guys to fight, and i thought that my 2nd adversary would be the clear favourite. He leads 2-0. But the other guy stages a comeback. I realized that the only scenario where i get out 1st of the mini league is that this guy wins 3-2 but with not too many points so i would win by point average... so i'm quite excited while watching this match. and indeed surprisingly he wins set 3 and 4, he is 10-7 ahead in game 5, but then its deuce, arffff i thought, but my 1st opponent completes the comeback and wins it 13-11.

So its indeed down to counting the point average, and i come ahead at +7 vs +5 (and -12) for 2 points only !!
!
my comeback from 3-10 to 7-10 was useful after all, and the guy missing his match point at 10-7 cost him dear as well !!!

the first time i am a such a lucky loser !

Unfortunately i play next against a much stronger player, modern defender with long pimples which beats me 3-0 without problem, and he wins the tournament after. He saw him defeat a much stronger player than me as bad as he beat me...but i still regret not putting a better fight, i wasn't focused enough from the start.

Open tournament

mini league of 3 players.
1st one is a practice buddy who's never won a set against me yet, and i win easily 3-0
2nd one is a guy i have never beaten in years, but i thought i had improved recently so i was ready to fight. He is a leftie with a very classic game. I take the better start and play very finely to be up 9-4 with quite a few good winners. But then, i start to play too passively, while he plays smoothly, and i end up losing 9-11 !!! very very bad... i think mental has a lot to do with that.
He wins the 2nd more easily. On the 3rd, i recoup my forces and put more variation in my serves. I manage to stay in the game, i started with the serve i'm often 1 point ahead. I get a few lucky nets, i don't get much 1st attack because he keeps pushing into my BH (i do the same to him) and i don't dare to make an opening attack on BH in the whole game (except one winner early in the 1st set). But my good blocking game and a few counters keeps me in the game. At 8-8 under pressure i try a very bad serve (hammer serve into his FH) for the 1st time in the match, which is very stupid because i don't master this serve, and its a very bad serve to do against a leftie. Basically i lost it mentally totally. He says thank you, takes the lead for the first time of set 3, and proceeds to win it and the match.

Very disappointing, because i think i had the means to do much better this time, but its 0-3 as usual...I felt i was not quick enough on my legs to make the first attack, i feel that if my legs are not quick enough, then i have to improve my BH side to be able to play systematically against backspin long pushes. I was not recovering quick enough after a short serve to my FH side (he would attack on my BH next) and that was a cause of a lot of errors. However i was rather satisfied on my receiving short on that side of the table. Lastly, only after the game is over, i realize that i could have tried chiquita flick receive on his BH serve to my BH. Usually i'm good at it. another regret.
 
This user has no status.
This user has no status.
🏆 Top 1% Commenter
Well-Known Member
Jan 2015
1,491
222
1,802
another disappointing tournament for me this weekend as well...

40-49 yo tournament
I'm in a 3 players mini league against 2 penholders that i've never played b4. I'm usually not at ease against penholders.
The first guy doesn't look that great, but plays his game without hesitation. I'm very slow to start and lose the 1st set easily. 2nd set i focus mainly on not making mistakes, i'm not playing great at all, I attack very little and just try to block his attacks, wait for his mistakes or an easy ball. and i win comfortably. 3rd set, same tactic and i'm ahead but at money time, i have 3 set points that i don't play very well, and i lose 14-12. It does look bad, however, i manage to stay calm, i stick to the same tactic, but try to be just a little more agressive, and i win the next 2 sets.

The second match is against a player which i think is quite better cause i've seen him play, and his team is in a higher division than mine, but surprisingly i win very easily the first 2 sets 5 and 6, my receive game looks better than usual and i receive short which puts him in a lot of trouble, and i block very well his attacks. From set 3, he ups his game, makes less easy mistakes, and his attacks now are on the table and very spinny. I don't adapt, he gets set 3 easily. In set 4, i start to lose confidence he gets a head start and leads 9-5 i come back 9-9 but he manages to close the set. It looks very bad for me and this time, its very bad indeed, emotionally im out of the game, he leads 10-3, until i manage to recover mentally to stage a mini come back to make it 7-11 to make it more honourable. A very bad loss because i wasn't able to take advantage of the situation and close that match. 2-0 up was flattering but i played well, but instead of thinking of it as a gift and playing positively to get the last set that i needed i was kind of waiting for him to give it to me like the first 2... very bad mentality cost me dear.

That left the 2 other guys to fight, and i thought that my 2nd adversary would be the clear favourite. He leads 2-0. But the other guy stages a comeback. I realized that the only scenario where i get out 1st of the mini league is that this guy wins 3-2 but with not too many points so i would win by point average... so i'm quite excited while watching this match. and indeed surprisingly he wins set 3 and 4, he is 10-7 ahead in game 5, but then its deuce, arffff i thought, but my 1st opponent completes the comeback and wins it 13-11.

So its indeed down to counting the point average, and i come ahead at +7 vs +5 (and -12) for 2 points only !!
!
my comeback from 3-10 to 7-10 was useful after all, and the guy missing his match point at 10-7 cost him dear as well !!!

the first time i am a such a lucky loser !

Unfortunately i play next against a much stronger player, modern defender with long pimples which beats me 3-0 without problem, and he wins the tournament after. He saw him defeat a much stronger player than me as bad as he beat me...but i still regret not putting a better fight, i wasn't focused enough from the start.

Open tournament

mini league of 3 players.
1st one is a practice buddy who's never won a set against me yet, and i win easily 3-0
2nd one is a guy i have never beaten in years, but i thought i had improved recently so i was ready to fight. He is a leftie with a very classic game. I take the better start and play very finely to be up 9-4 with quite a few good winners. But then, i start to play too passively, while he plays smoothly, and i end up losing 9-11 !!! very very bad... i think mental has a lot to do with that.
He wins the 2nd more easily. On the 3rd, i recoup my forces and put more variation in my serves. I manage to stay in the game, i started with the serve i'm often 1 point ahead. I get a few lucky nets, i don't get much 1st attack because he keeps pushing into my BH (i do the same to him) and i don't dare to make an opening attack on BH in the whole game (except one winner early in the 1st set). But my good blocking game and a few counters keeps me in the game. At 8-8 under pressure i try a very bad serve (hammer serve into his FH) for the 1st time in the match, which is very stupid because i don't master this serve, and its a very bad serve to do against a leftie. Basically i lost it mentally totally. He says thank you, takes the lead for the first time of set 3, and proceeds to win it and the match.

Very disappointing, because i think i had the means to do much better this time, but its 0-3 as usual...I felt i was not quick enough on my legs to make the first attack, i feel that if my legs are not quick enough, then i have to improve my BH side to be able to play systematically against backspin long pushes. I was not recovering quick enough after a short serve to my FH side (he would attack on my BH next) and that was a cause of a lot of errors. However i was rather satisfied on my receiving short on that side of the table. Lastly, only after the game is over, i realize that i could have tried chiquita flick receive on his BH serve to my BH. Usually i'm good at it. another regret.

I hope one day i will find an affordable nearby coach to train then i will join or participate in some tournaments, for now i feel i am not mature or pro mentality yet to win, and because my techniques aren't improved yet so i won't rush myself, but i will join one tournament that will come next month due to our Independent day, and i chose Class or Level C which is for beginners so at least i can go further and i will try to reach finals or at least QF if possible.

I don't know what is your point about telling us about how bad your games were, but that should be the lessons for you, learn from it, try to find your issues so next time you don't face same problems, i remember once or twice that i played with new player for first time, with old system of points [21], we played 3 games, he won 2 and i won 1, i was upset because his style wasn't that much difficult or amazing, but i forgot that day, then anther day i played him again, i crushed him 3-0, i shocked, he simply told me "Before you were over confident to beat me so you lost, but this time you knew how i play so you knew how to defeat me without over confident", i believe it was so true, if i lost to a very god player then it is normal, not because i was bad, but he was good enough, and if i can beat him it means i improved even a little bit, or at least i changed my style or tactics.
 
This user has no status.
This user has no status.
🏆 Top 1% Commenter
Well-Known Member
Aug 2016
1,007
1,403
3,392
Help me improve.

So where I live, there isn't a professional coach in the entire state. So I'm calling on you guys for some virtual training here. :)

I had a good, closer than I thought it would be, match. (again never under estimate people thinking you'll win or lose. just play. I really need to work on this) He struggled with the long pip play in the first game but credit to him as he quickly adjusted and came back.

This was the first match we played.

Things I see of note to work on.

- Consistency. Felt like I had a lot of put away balls in this match I flat out missed. not sure why though. Feel like there's a theme of players who play the long pips sometimes just kinda fish one up, either intentionally or unintentionally and I have to be able to consistently put those away.
- I can achieve a variety of spin type of serves but a lot of them look like they bounce too high or long.
- Service receive wasn't that good. Even with long pips. He got a lot of errors out of me. Credit to him I suppose for some good serves.
- Footwork and reaching is a perpetual problem.

Thanks for anyone who can participate.

FYI
I'm playing short pips on the black side & long pips on the red.

Thanks.


We later played a second match where I got that one 3-1.

http://chroniclesofgossima.blogspot.com/
 
Last edited:
This user has no status.
This user has no status.
🏆 Top 1% Commenter
Well-Known Member
Aug 2016
1,845
2,820
13,714
suds,

Did not watch the whole video yet ... 2 quick comments:

1) thank you for the text on the score and lets... after having edited my own vids (which doesn't include that) I appreciate the extra effort you put into your vids

2) DAYUM AT YOUR TWIDDLING!!! Very smooth and fast! Excellent!!
 
  • Like
Reactions: suds79 and Shuki
Top