Daily Table Tennis Chit Chat

[Boogar]

@NL woha sick consecutive backhand ripps in this match!

 

[NextLevel]

@NL woha sick consecutive backhand ripps in this match!

I was ordered by my teammate to remember that my backhand is the bread winner, not the forehand.

 

[chuckjordan2]

@Der, good luck at NA Joola too.

@NL, the tourney doesn't look too crowded?

Good luck all!

 

[Boogar]

Woha that exchange at 8:33!

I wouldn't like to play against her, she looks so demotivated... like why is she even playing lol

 

[ttmonster]

Thats not demotivated , thats the standard "I am too good for this level" behavior, if you haven't encountered it already. Hope NL would have crushed her ... whenever I come across such personalities it just motivates me even more !

 

[pgpg]

This one is for DerEchte - shows other people the kinds of personalities we sometimes have in US table tennis.

Took me a bit to recognize Jay Lee from my own club .

Barry sure likes to take his time between points...

 

[NextLevel]

Thats not demotivated , thats the standard "I am too good for this level" behavior, if you haven't encountered it already. Hope NL would have crushed her ... whenever I come across such personalities it just motivates me even more !

I thought she was having a bad day but someone else got a different vibe like ttmonster. For me it is hard to play kids with attitudes because these matches often mean far more to them than they do to me.

 

[ttmonster]

I could be wrong NL and in all honesty, I did not see the whole video, however, the body language looked familiar because I have seen such behavior in some kids , especially those that are getting trained and hang with the same trained kids crowd all the time .
some of them behave like this whenever they come across players who they cannot handle because of reasons apparently unknown to them, e.g the opponent might not be able to win fancy rallies but beat them with touch or has unreturnably good serves or had pips , they tend to behave like that.
Its almost as if I am being forced to play these players but I am too good for this level and they are using "other means" to win .. I will soon be out of their league ... and then they get beaten and make excuses ..
and quite obviously, unless they change their attitudes they never reach their true potential ..
whatever is the reason, unless you practice playing hard every time you go up to the table , its very difficult to summon the right attitude in important matches .. its almost like practicing a skill , if you practice playing bad , you tend to not be able to play to your potential and beyond when you think "it matters" ....

I thought she was having a bad day but someone else got a different vibe like ttmonster. For me it is hard to play kids with attitudes because these matches often mean far more to them than they do to me.

 

[NextLevel]

Today was much rougher - went 4-5. Probably should have sat out at least one match, but our fourth player could not make it today so three of us played 4 matches, which should not happen and is the reason why you get a 4th player. If by some grace of God or more likely some accident I am still playing next year, which is unlikely, I will get a 5 player team as I don't think I can play that much on these weekends, to be honest. 8 matches yesterday, 9 today, and I was saved in part by two teams beating us 5-0, which limited me to two matches in those contests.

Had my first bad loss of the week to a kid who took me to 5 at Westchester the last time we played. I had mixed feelings about losing. One one hand, he didn't like losing and it was getting to his head. He actually got into an argument with his mother while I was playing him. One the other hand, I was up 2-1, 9-6 and I don't like losing from such scorelines. But he is a good player, has beaten players much higher rated than myself, so I beat him mostly using Jedi-mind tricks.

I could see the difference between how I play when I am tired and when I am not. It's not the fast game that gets me, it is the slow game that drives me nuts unless the ball is in my strike zone. Once I have to move to a ball that isn't a topspin ball whose spin and power I can use, my game falls apart. Very disgusting.

In any case, lots of stuff to work on. Hopefully, I will be healthy enough to play a couple of tournaments in December though I will not be travelling to the US Open.

 

[NextLevel]

The story of my life. When I do it, no cameras are around. When my opponent does it, it is a rated match. Can't get no love...

youtu.be/OtM6IgfPWIk?t=377

 

[ttmonster]

Why not take the credit for setting it up just perfect ....

The story of my life. When I do it, no cameras are around. When my opponent does it, it is a rated match. Can't get no love...

youtu.be/OtM6IgfPWIk?t=377

 

[Der_Echte]

My team was next to bottom of Div 5. The bottom team were 300 point under rated ringers and won Division.

We went 4-3 in Division to finish 4th in Div 5 and 7-4 overall.

All in all, we performed at a much higher level than our ratings and placement from qualification stage. We fought and we fought. That counts for a lot.

Personlly, I do not believe I lost to players well below my level and defeated some tough players rated above me. We will see how the ratigs wash comes out. Some of my opponents should get a good re-adjustment. Some wont. Big deal, Important part is we fought and competed and showed fight above our level, that is all we can control.

Last team match of day 3, I won coming back from 1-2 twice and 0-2 on one of my matches vs sticky tough opponents (2) above my rating. I do not normally cho loud (or at all, unless I am cheering someone), but when I was needing an attitude adjustment in two of my matches in the 5th at a critical moment, I let loose a few Korean motivational Cho series for three points.

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[Der_Echte]

Brian Maxwell apparently studied the Dr. Neubauer training vid series... Dude had a BH finish from an extreme FH ball where he sticks out elbow and hinges lower arm vertical on elbow and slaps away for winner after winner. Dr. Neubauer would have been smiling at how successful he used that BH from FH position hit shot, text book Dr. N... and Brian was using inverted rubbers Stiga Chop and drive on BH on a custom carbon blade.

Dude kept killing me on that shot until I finally discover where his middle was... and his middle was 4 feet away from where he was hitting winners.

 

[wtachetna]

Here:

This next one is clearly exaggerating things for the add but the robot exists.

So, yes, there are table tennis robots.

OMG, I cannot believe my eyes. Is it really possible? Do these robots exist in real? I am sure Table Tennis has become a fun game ever since I left playing. I am badly in need of this machine now! Thanks for sharing.

 

[TareqPhoto]

OMG, I cannot believe my eyes. Is it really possible? Do these robots exist in real? I am sure Table Tennis has become a fun game ever since I left playing. I am badly in need of this machine now! Thanks for sharing.

Do you really believe it?!!! i feel it is about ads and promotion more than it is a reality.

Do you really think you can afford that Kuka robot? Amicus Advanced and Pro versions are very expensive, you go with those because they are available, i really don't know or hear about that Kuka robot since i watched that TB video while ago.

And many here will tell you that coaching is always the way and it is true 1000%, look at top players from Asia, i don't think they have robots like this Kuka, or even trained a lot with one, but i may be wrong about you and you can find this robot and can afford it, i wish i can.

 

[Archosaurus]

Did some short no-spin/very light backspin and short push practice with a bare beginner today. He has hit a little and he is not very skilled, but he has smooth movements. We hit a bit and I taught him some basic things like how to do the warmup rally initiation stroke and then started doing the drill.

I taught him the basic forehand pendulum serving grip and taught him how to serve low, short and very light backspin/no spin. No real serve theory, just how to produce an easy low ball that bounces short.

I was impressed that he figured out himself that you need a low contact point, and he moved to a low contact point without me telling him to and he started nailing them. Of course most went into the net or long, but he got some good consistency later on, maybe 60% or so. I advised him to use a very light, small movement and just "drop" the ball over the net. He was surprised at how easy it is to produce low serves. They were actually short too, because he understood the part about the first bounce near the net.

Of course, there's basically no spin on it, but it's a very good start I think.

While he was doing that, I was practicing my short push on them. My push is really quite bad so it needs some practice. As he got a little better, I got a little better, and he got some feedback on his serves from my push. I used some video footage on the spot (You can sadly only see the ball going over the net, so it's not worth much) to adjust my height and depth. Eventually I started taking some a little earlier and dropping them lower over the net.

We switched places, and I taught him a basic forehand and backhand short push. He was better at the backhand, so I served short no-spin into the middle of the table and adjusted his backhand push until he started getting it on the table consistently and not terribly high. We left before we could see much progress, but he went from no push to some kind of push.

I really need to, and want to do more push drills but no one wants to do them with me, so I'm happy about today. I improved a little, or at least got some direction for improvement, so that's good.


EDIT:

@NextLevel

The video of you vs Chieu A is very eye opening. There seems to be a lot of "hidden spin" in your shots that might not be visible on camera just by looking at the ball.

 

[NextLevel]

EDIT:

@NextLevel

The video of you vs Chieu A is very eye opening. There seems to be a lot of "hidden spin" in your shots that might not be visible on camera just by looking at the ball.

The spin is "obvious", you just have to know what to look for. If the racket is grippy and moving fast, especially the wrist, the contact is silent, and the ball is coming off slowly, then the ball has to be loaded with spin. As you play better and better players and get more used to reading them, it becomes more and more natural. If my ball was coming off faster, then the spin would be less unless I put more overall power into the stroke, which is what the top players do while still brushing to get high amounts of spin and speed. I don't have the knees to generate that power so I stick within my spin focused range until I get an easy or familiar ball. IT's enough to wreak havoc on the players who aren't used to it. The players who are used to it and who are the ones I need to beat are the ones who give me fits.

Chieu is over 1800 USATT, though you probably can't tell from the video. He just could not consistently loop backspin - the match I played reminded me a lot of how I used to play 2 years ago. It just won't get me to where I need to go.

 

[Archosaurus]

@NextLevel

I'm more so saying that the spin level is higher than expected. The kind of ball you're gonna produce with the kind of contact you describe is different from the one I would produce.

The relative spin isn't hard to read. There are tell tale signs. The absolute amount is what's hard to read visually and via audio.

 

[NextLevel]

Since I like the control and directness of the Karis (its spin is not shabby either), I think my current blade is too slow to use with it. My current blade was partly a choice to help with my short game while using Tenergy, but since I don't have to deal with the bounciness of Tenergy anymore, I need to find something else that gives a little more rebound on my blocks and smashes.

DerEchte has nicely sent me a couple of blades to test in the Nexy lineup - the Hannibal and the Kanaph (I want to try Carbon Hinoki or ALC Hinoki, preferably the latter but just something that has good quality). If I like the way the blades play, then I can go all Nexy.

My inner EJ for blades has been going crazy with the Karis. I have been looking at the Amultart or the Garaydia ZLC (fast blades with touch improved by the Hinoki outer), looked at the Nexy Oscar and Color. I got turned off from the Color by the fact reviewers said the blade needed sealing. Maybe Hinoki does in general anyways - we will see.

I borrowed the Innerforce Inner Layer ALC from a friend and looked at an old Rossi Emotion. Also looked at the OLAM, which I liked earlier with MX-P on it to see if I liked it with Karis on it. My over the table game suffered with OLAM + Karis so I killed that. I order a Hurricane Long 5 from Paddle Palace (most money I have spent on a blade ever even with the Thanksgiving discount) and I was disappointed to see it was the new version with a typical handle. I put it in my hand and realized that I was not going to enjoy playing with it just the way it felt. So I traded it for the Innerforce ALC, which just felt great in my hands even without the rubbers on it.

Since I was coaching yesterday, I glued up the IF ALC and used it for the day. It reminded me of the SPW but of course, slightly thinner and a more typical head size. I just loved the way ALC blades feel. I wasn't fully aligned with the kick on max power shots but I will give that time. What I loved was how much linear control I had on touch shots and blocks and that I could just do my regular spin shots and still get good amounts of spin with a more dangerous low arc than with the Yasaka Extra. It helped me see the difference between limba and anigre once more. The other good thing is that the relative stiffness helped with the feel of punching the ball.

I will try it out against the better players at the league tonight if I have the energy. But if it plays anything like the way it played yesterday, those Nexy blades have major work to do.

 

[NextLevel]

@NextLevel

I'm more so saying that the spin level is higher than expected. The kind of ball you're gonna produce with the kind of contact you describe is different from the one I would produce.

The relative spin isn't hard to read. There are tell tale signs. The absolute amount is what's hard to read visually and via audio.

It's hard to read spin visually and via audio even when you are playing the opponent live, unless maybe you have been playing the game since you were 5. But if you play enough at a certain level, you pick up cues to read it. I know you are kinda complimenting my game, but other than my opening backhand loop, which really borrows the spin from the serve/push that came before it, my spin is within the reasonable range for my level and maybe one above.