Daily Table Tennis Chit Chat

[Der_Echte]

I did a tourney this weekend only one event and Tourney William did not show up, only club William... which is not good for comps. Maybe for US Open I will really take everything seriously and be able to eliminate life nonsense and focus right.

Still, I made semis in a field where 8 players in field could have gone all the way. Convincingly won vs two ringer Long Pips players with big spin or power shots being brave and setting myself up.

I do not think I CHO'd even once or said anything loud. I cheered other players more than I cheered myself. Being nice like this is not gunna get me anywhere.

DiD meet a new player (4 months into training with a coach) and he said he wants to play like Adam B. I told his dad that is great for learning touch, but he must get solid both wings first. Recommended softer rubbers, he had Omega V Tour on one side and another hard Chinese one on other side.

 

[Der_Echte]

Sent that kid's dad a pic of Adam B just beating down Team Nexy in 2021 888 Teams.

 

[dingyibvs]

Just had a practice today, reboosted all my H3s on both my Viscaria and my W968 and played with both for comparison. I've reworked my FH technique over the past couple of months, improved my footwork, and vastly improved my BH, so I wanted to see if my understanding of equipment has changed.

Well, holy mother of Jesus, the FH of the W968 is so friggin intoxicating! With my recent improvements it's only become even better, and the gap between the W968's FH and the Viscaria's FH is even larger than before. I feel like I just need to aim a bit above the net and let it rip and the ball will automatically land with tremendous power. That was the case both in FH practices and in game play, against both topspins and backspins. It's simply beastly. Like many players have noted before, with the Viscaria the ball just tanks into the net sometimes randomly. Well, it's probably not random, but it's a slightly off timing when brushing and due to the ball leaving the racket much quicker it the brush is sometimes insufficient to create a good arc when your technique isn't perfect.

OTOH, the backhand still felt very meh. I clearly improved a lot, I'm landing a lot more shots, and the W968/H3 OS combo produces great spin, but unless the incoming shot is fast it's hard to generate quality. When you do generate quality though the automatic arc that makes FH shots unmissable tends to make BH shots go long.

Somewhat surprisingly, switching between the two even in game play didn't feel like needing much adjustment at all. Overall, switching to the W968 resulted in a better land rate for FH shots and a similar land rate for BH shots with less overall quality. I think given that landing the ball on the table is still more important at my level of play, perhaps I should go back to the W968 and use my BH to keep me in the game while finishing points with my FH. I can also try going back to the D09c on my BH side to see if it can add a bit more quality.

Alternatively, I can get more expensive equipment , like the Q968 or the Golden Vis and see if I can find a compromise between the two

 

[Novarac23]

Played my third ever tournament today. Lost all 3 games. Everyone was pretty underrated in my u1400 group. I played decent though. Felt like I played better then my first and second tournament.

Been practicing once a week and playing league once a qeek. Also do 2 coaching sessions a month. Definitely feel like Im improving. Here’s to the next tournament in October 🙌

 

[latej]

This weekend we played the 1st match of the season, in "divize" in our region, and we won, thankfully. Our opponent couldn't come with their strongest team though. I made 2 wins 1 loss. The team win is important, we need every win we can get.

Also, today, we played the final of the Czech Cup 1st level in our region, and we lost 5:5 on games, 22:21 on sets ;-) A bit of a pitty, but for me the Czech Cup is kind of "bonus". As finalists we continue to the 2nd level, which is national, and we'll get some stronger team there. It will be played next year (after almost a year), so for now it is over. The Czech Cup is here to allow for different teams, of different levels, to meet, it is not the "main" competition. Anyway, I made 2 wins 1 loss. The loss was against a signif. stronger player, and it was a good lessons, as I felt it was about the serve and receive. My weak receive which he could attack, and my weak serve which he could attack, or return strongly. In exchanges I actually felt very good, but I didn't get to those, you know. So that's a lesson. But for now, I feel like the pressure left me, the Czech Cup is over, we can concentrate on the "main" competions, the "divize", and our team feels good, I feel we have a chance to keep/stay in "divize". Cheers.

 

[Alx21]

hello Dear All help me pls how it will be in English - some flat shot for begginer which studing before FH and BH drive at early start time? but not push -- may be you know? something like that

 

[Tyce]

In Dutch we call flat contact "contra". There is no special term for hitting against the wall, at least not that I know of

 

[NextLevel]

Just had a practice today, reboosted all my H3s on both my Viscaria and my W968 and played with both for comparison. I've reworked my FH technique over the past couple of months, improved my footwork, and vastly improved my BH, so I wanted to see if my understanding of equipment has changed.

Well, holy mother of Jesus, the FH of the W968 is so friggin intoxicating! With my recent improvements it's only become even better, and the gap between the W968's FH and the Viscaria's FH is even larger than before. I feel like I just need to aim a bit above the net and let it rip and the ball will automatically land with tremendous power. That was the case both in FH practices and in game play, against both topspins and backspins. It's simply beastly. Like many players have noted before, with the Viscaria the ball just tanks into the net sometimes randomly. Well, it's probably not random, but it's a slightly off timing when brushing and due to the ball leaving the racket much quicker it the brush is sometimes insufficient to create a good arc when your technique isn't perfect.

OTOH, the backhand still felt very meh. I clearly improved a lot, I'm landing a lot more shots, and the W968/H3 OS combo produces great spin, but unless the incoming shot is fast it's hard to generate quality. When you do generate quality though the automatic arc that makes FH shots unmissable tends to make BH shots go long.

Somewhat surprisingly, switching between the two even in game play didn't feel like needing much adjustment at all. Overall, switching to the W968 resulted in a better land rate for FH shots and a similar land rate for BH shots with less overall quality. I think given that landing the ball on the table is still more important at my level of play, perhaps I should go back to the W968 and use my BH to keep me in the game while finishing points with my FH. I can also try going back to the D09c on my BH side to see if it can add a bit more quality.

Alternatively, I can get more expensive equipment , like the Q968 or the Golden Vis and see if I can find a compromise between the two

Try Dignics 80 on backhand and let me know how it goes. It might just be what you need.

 

[NextLevel]

Here's my most recent session getting coached on Sunday. Still a lot of work to be done but I finally managed to hit a shorter forehand early in front of my body., which is a technique I will need to improve my backhand to forehand transition in quicker rallies.

 

[dingyibvs]

Try Dignics 80 on backhand and let me know how it goes. It might just be what you need.

What are you thoughts on the D80 vs the D09c? Over the past week I've essentially switched back to the W968. It seems like my BH has improved by leaps and bounds over the past 2 months while using the Vis, that in rallies even my W968 + H3 BH is quite deadly. Loop drives/kills against backspin is the only major weakness right now, with the W968 being far weaker BH side, to the tune of can't miss vs. can't hit the broad side of a barn. I thus essentially only brush loop on the BH side to open up when I use the W968.

I'm gonna go practice my BH opening loop some more, gonna need some continued improvement. Also, one thing I noticed about my BH is that it's not super "generalizable" right now. When I play doubles it degrades significantly more than my FH due to the increased movement required, and the need to play from compromising positions, to the point where I oftentimes just whiff on the ball. It's hard to practice that kind of shot so I'll just have to keep playing and get a better feel for it.

 

[NextLevel]

What are you thoughts on the D80 vs the D09c? Over the past week I've essentially switched back to the W968. It seems like my BH has improved by leaps and bounds over the past 2 months while using the Vis, that in rallies even my W968 + H3 BH is quite deadly. Loop drives/kills against backspin is the only major weakness right now, with the W968 being far weaker BH side, to the tune of can't miss vs. can't hit the broad side of a barn. I thus essentially only brush loop on the BH side to open up when I use the W968.

I'm gonna go practice my BH opening loop some more, gonna need some continued improvement. Also, one thing I noticed about my BH is that it's not super "generalizable" right now. When I play doubles it degrades significantly more than my FH due to the increased movement required, and the need to play from compromising positions, to the point where I oftentimes just whiff on the ball. It's hard to practice that kind of shot so I'll just have to keep playing and get a better feel for it.

D80 is faster and much more direct and is much easier to use if you have an allround backhand, while D09c is better if you always spin the backhand, including with power on the opening, though I would argue that D80 is easier to get a quality shot with for 90% of people. If you are looking to play the backhand with spin and speed with less effort on a somewhat slower blade, I think D80 is worth a look. If you were going to keep the Viscaria, then in some ways, it might be too "bouncy" if you put a lot of power into the shot. So you can get more with a smaller motion and it plays much more easily when you back off the table. That said, I find it surprisingly controllable for what it is. It's much easier to punch block with than with D09c if you want aggression (though D09c has the control advantage).

The struggles with your backhand in doubles are natural, I do suspect that you are trying to spin the ball too much and struggle to get your elbow in the right position relative to the ball. When in open space, you have to find the ball with your elbow and take it where it shows up, taking it in perfect position is a bit of a luxury.

 

[AutomaticBackhand]

The W968 naturally isn't made for constantly attacking shots on backhand.

The Pros that use W968 ( or a variation of it) and have strong, powerful backhands, usually have a W968 with a thicker core ( like WCQ).
And their movement is directed very much forward than just brushing/spinning the ball.
Unlike the snappy forearm/wrist movement that works with Viscaria.

The spin gets generated automatically (kinda), as you might have experienced.

AFAIK, Kao Cheng Jui is using that setup: W968 + H3 + D09c.
Young and agile, not very muscular, plays all shots with high quality on either side.

Typical Chinese style, but really fun to watch.
Good serves and read of the game.
Reminds of Ma Long a little bit.

He beat Dang Qiu 3-0 in the Bundesliga recently, you can watch it on Youtube.
I might be able to see him in person soon.

 

[dingyibvs]

D80 is faster and much more direct and is much easier to use if you have an allround backhand, while D09c is better if you always spin the backhand, including with power on the opening, though I would argue that D80 is easier to get a quality shot with for 90% of people. If you are looking to play the backhand with spin and speed with less effort on a somewhat slower blade, I think D80 is worth a look. If you were going to keep the Viscaria, then in some ways, it might be too "bouncy" if you put a lot of power into the shot. So you can get more with a smaller motion and it plays much more easily when you back off the table. That said, I find it surprisingly controllable for what it is. It's much easier to punch block with than with D09c if you want aggression (though D09c has the control advantage).

The struggles with your backhand in doubles are natural, I do suspect that you are trying to spin the ball too much and struggle to get your elbow in the right position relative to the ball. When in open space, you have to find the ball with your elbow and take it where it shows up, taking it in perfect position is a bit of a luxury.

How would you compare it to the D05? I actually have a sheet of it, wonder if they're similar. I've only tried it briefly on the W968 for my BH, though I imagine I'd have a different appreciation of it these days.

The issue with the W968 is that it's very hard to get that 1 inch punch stroke to work, everything needs to be perfect. It works great with the Viscaria but then it becomes difficult to control with larger strokes. I'm starting to feel that the rubber doesn't matter too much for my BH and that something in between the W968 and the regular Vis would be ideal for a balanced 2 wing game with smaller strokes.

 

[NextLevel]

How would you compare it to the D05? I actually have a sheet of it, wonder if they're similar. I've only tried it briefly on the W968 for my BH, though I imagine I'd have a different appreciation of it these days.

The issue with the W968 is that it's very hard to get that 1 inch punch stroke to work, everything needs to be perfect. It works great with the Viscaria but then it becomes difficult to control with larger strokes. I'm starting to feel that the rubber doesn't matter too much for my BH and that something in between the W968 and the regular Vis would be ideal for a balanced 2 wing game with smaller strokes.

So if you have ever analyzed the Tenergy pips configurations, you will know that while they are all spinny rubbers, the arc of 05 is higher than 80 which is higher than 64, so this makes 05 spinnier than 80 and 64. It makes 80 faster than 05.

Now in the case of Tenergy, 05 and 80 felt much more distinct in spin vs speed and people didn't like T80 as it was neither as fast as T64 or as spinny as T05. But in the case of Dignics, I feel that D80 has a significant increase in speed (and spin) on medium effort shorts and a not so obvious spin deficit on the high power shots that I am not a fan off anyways. It also punch blocks better and loops more naturally off the table. The blocking especially for me was a bit of a wow moment as I felt more comfortable taking heavy spin off the bounce over the table and even punching in general because you don't have to close the angle or counter as aggressively.

I am pretty sure you will get a faster ball with D80 on your backhand, but I am not sure whether you are someone who wants speed on your backhand or power on your backhand. If you are fundamentally power/spin and power, then maybe stick with 09c or try 05. But if you want to focus on the all rounder with speed and spin dimension, especially a good combination of easy fast speed with very good but not overwhelmingly powerful spin, then D80 is there for you.

 

[Jslick89]

Just had a practice today, reboosted all my H3s on both my Viscaria and my W968 and played with both for comparison. I've reworked my FH technique over the past couple of months, improved my footwork, and vastly improved my BH, so I wanted to see if my understanding of equipment has changed.

Well, holy mother of Jesus, the FH of the W968 is so friggin intoxicating! With my recent improvements it's only become even better, and the gap between the W968's FH and the Viscaria's FH is even larger than before. I feel like I just need to aim a bit above the net and let it rip and the ball will automatically land with tremendous power. That was the case both in FH practices and in game play, against both topspins and backspins. It's simply beastly. Like many players have noted before, with the Viscaria the ball just tanks into the net sometimes randomly. Well, it's probably not random, but it's a slightly off timing when brushing and due to the ball leaving the racket much quicker it the brush is sometimes insufficient to create a good arc when your technique isn't perfect.

OTOH, the backhand still felt very meh. I clearly improved a lot, I'm landing a lot more shots, and the W968/H3 OS combo produces great spin, but unless the incoming shot is fast it's hard to generate quality. When you do generate quality though the automatic arc that makes FH shots unmissable tends to make BH shots go long.

Somewhat surprisingly, switching between the two even in game play didn't feel like needing much adjustment at all. Overall, switching to the W968 resulted in a better land rate for FH shots and a similar land rate for BH shots with less overall quality. I think given that landing the ball on the table is still more important at my level of play, perhaps I should go back to the W968 and use my BH to keep me in the game while finishing points with my FH. I can also try going back to the D09c on my BH side to see if it can add a bit more quality.

Alternatively, I can get more expensive equipment , like the Q968 or the Golden Vis and see if I can find a compromise between the two

how many layers of booster is that now for your H3? I just put on a fresh sheet of H3N 40d OS with two layers of booster. There was some significant curling still by the time i glued onto my paddle. It's noticeably harder than the commercial h3n i have been using. got to try it out for 20 minutes or so last night on the robot. definitely felt like I had to swing harder...and thankfully the harder I swung, the more consistent (and quality) were my shots. I'll see how it turns out tonight at the round robin.

I, too, have experienced those phantom forehand shots with my vis/h3n that just tank into the net. i'm assuming its because i am not getting enough power into those shots but who knows. I should probably film myself more lol.

 

[dingyibvs]

how many layers of booster is that now for your H3? I just put on a fresh sheet of H3N 40d OS with two layers of booster. There was some significant curling still by the time i glued onto my paddle. It's noticeably harder than the commercial h3n i have been using. got to try it out for 20 minutes or so last night on the robot. definitely felt like I had to swing harder...and thankfully the harder I swung, the more consistent (and quality) were my shots. I'll see how it turns out tonight at the round robin.

I, too, have experienced those phantom forehand shots with my vis/h3n that just tank into the net. i'm assuming its because i am not getting enough power into those shots but who knows. I should probably film myself more lol.

On this particular sheet it'd be 4 moderate layers and 2 thin layers (played for 2 months, then switched to Viscaria with a different sheet for 2 months before switching back). I'm still figuring out how much to boost, when is it ready for play, etc. With the Viscaria I started out with 3 thick layers, but I think next time with a new sheet I'm gonna start with 3-4 thin layers (thin as in areas are starting to get dry before I even finish spreading the oil completely)

 

[Jslick89]

On this particular sheet it'd be 4 moderate layers and 2 thin layers (played for 2 months, then switched to Viscaria with a different sheet for 2 months before switching back). I'm still figuring out how much to boost, when is it ready for play, etc. With the Viscaria I started out with 3 thick layers, but I think next time with a new sheet I'm gonna start with 3-4 thin layers (thin as in areas are starting to get dry before I even finish spreading the oil completely)

interesting. and how much doming effect are you getting with the different amount of layers? i'm not sure if the doming effect is even a way to measure how much its boosted lol.

 

[AutomaticBackhand]

@dingyibvs

How are you switching your boosted rubbers in between blades?
Do you see a change/drop off in performance?
Are you ever reboosting because of that?

 

[dingyibvs]

interesting. and how much doming effect are you getting with the different amount of layers? i'm not sure if the doming effect is even a way to measure how much its boosted lol.

With 2 moderate layers its kind of what you typically see. With 3 it starts curling up on itself (i.e. past a semicircle)

 

[dingyibvs]

@dingyibvs

How are you switching your boosted rubbers in between blades?
Do you see a change/drop off in performance?
Are you ever reboosting because of that?

Nah, I'm using different sheets for different blades. When I reboost I glue them onto the same blade they were taken off of.