Daily Table Tennis Chit Chat

[Archosaurus]

I advise Boogar to put me on ignore too if he doesn't want to read my blogs. I don't think anyone's at a loss here, then. I'm not fond of whining myself.

 

[UpSideDownCarl]

When receiving regular pendulum sidespin from a right hander as a right hander, you want to touch on the right side, and angle your blade to the left, right?

For reverse, you want to touch on the left and angle towards the right?

Archie, I am only going to answer one question:

One of the biggest advantages of the penhold grip is the mobility of the wrist for short game. So returning both pendulum and reverse pendulum should be easy for a penholder:

That is my NYC Subway penhold skills. Both angles seem easy to me.

The penholders I know eat hook serve and and BH serve sidespin for breakfast on their BH side. Including the very well spoke and magnanimous OSPH.

In the matches I've played with OSPH, I have thrown my hook serve at his BH and you can ask NextLevel if my hook is good. It is the same kind of sidespin as a BH serve or a Reverse Pendulum and I have a pretty slick ability to vary spin by touching different parts of the side of the ball. It is safe to say it is my best serve. And one time when I was asking Michael Landers if my serves were any good and he nicely said that none of my serves felt like anything to him because his return game is very good and a serve had to be the kind you see starting above 2400 for him to notice anything different. When I did my hook he said "woe, that serve is good!"

Anyway, my memory is, Der and NextLevel handled it. But they both had a harder time handling my hook than OldSchool and they are definitely way higher level than either me or OldSchool.

With OldSchool, the main thing I did with serves was spin/no-spin because the combination allowed me to get good third balls to open on. I also believe that 42&BP told him after: "You need to learn to read no-spin serves." [emoji2]

Well, maybe that was because of the doubles matches too. [emoji2]

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[Archosaurus]

Ah, you're right, of course, the wrist.

I took my bat out of my bag now and tried it out: I was thinking too much of punching with a pretty locked wrist.

That in mind I can see the reverse pendulum being more effective against TPB if it's long vs short. The sudden movement towards the backhand might cause an angle error and give a pop up, opposed to serving it short where there's time to read and adjust. Is there any sense in this?

 

[NextLevel]

Anyway, my memory is, Der and NextLevel handled it. But they both had a harder time handling my hook than OldSchool and they are definitely way higher level than either me or OldSchool.

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[UpSideDownCarl]

Ah, you're right, of course, the wrist.

I took my bat out of my bag now and tried it out: I was thinking too much of punching with a pretty locked wrist.

That in mind I can see the reverse pendulum being more effective against TPB if it's long vs short. The sudden movement towards the backhand might cause an angle error and give a pop up, opposed to serving it short where there's time to read and adjust. Is there any sense in this?

Nope. Not much.

My fast, long hook is the one that is most dangerous and, don't know any decent or half decent penholders who have trouble with it. And Reverse Pendulum does not really seem to me a serve that works well as a fast, long serve.

I've got to admit, I have no idea what you are doing that you are calling a long, fast, Reverse Pendulum.

HINT: this is a great opportunity for you to show footage and until I see footage I am going to assume you are doing something totally odd and actually just serving fast dead balls which are actually kind of good when you catch the opponent off guard.


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[Archosaurus]

Fast being relative. Long, one bounce on my side one bounce on theirs. Sidespin on the ball when it's on the ground. Curves heavily to the left from my view. However it's nowhere near as fast as a "real" fast serve.

I really didn't feel like recording any serve footage lately, because I hadn't even stayed to practice during the day, but I might get some together, if I even attend next week. The sickness is really settling in. I'm having some problems with getting more whip and I think I'm gonna need a diagnosis.

 

[NextLevel]

Here is the latest footage of my pendulum serve. When I serve it long and fast (not shown here per se), I have actually gotten players to go into a trance wondering what the heck is up with the backspin version as it swerves through the air.

 

[Boogar]

I advise Boogar to put me on ignore too if he doesn't want to read my blogs. I don't think anyone's at a loss here, then. I'm not fond of whining myself.

Im sorry i if I offended you Arch! Wasn't my intention, but without any videos I can't rly understand what you are talking about.

 

[Boogar]

Today I played an away league match against Thörishaus Lots of matches this week! We lost 2:8 but i managed to win two singles. I managed to not forget my tripod... without your help even!
Here is the first one:

The match starts at 3:00

 

[Archosaurus]

That's better, Boogar. Now we're on the same page.


I don't know what a video would do in the context of the post. It was just a blog basically. I was sick today and all week, still am sick, and I tried out a different playstyle. I focused on serves and a more passive playstyle. That's about it.

Now I've run into some problems with improving my serve, and that will need a video.

I see you just posted a video. I'll take a look. I skipped around and I'm really liking how your forehand is starting to look. You make me think where I would be if I had the experiences and opportunities that you've had in the past few months.

 

[NextLevel]

Im sorry i if I offended you Arch! Wasn't my intention, but without any videos I can't rly understand what you are talking about.

Thanks for making that clear.

 

[Der_Echte]

Pop ball up, block you down,
That's the way I get around town!

Rambo pulls out his Machette-sized Rambo knife for close-in work, it is brutal.

 

[Boogar]

That's better, Boogar. Now we're on the same page.


I don't know what a video would do in the context of the post. It was just a blog basically. I was sick today and all week, still am sick, and I tried out a different playstyle. I focused on serves and a more passive playstyle. That's about it.

Now I've run into some problems with improving my serve, and that will need a video.

I see you just posted a video. I'll take a look. I skipped around and I'm really liking how your forehand is starting to look. You make me think where I would be if I had the experiences and opportunities that you've had in the past few months.

Thanks for watching the video

Maybe its just me but when i ready your posts i get the feeling that you are almost like boasting about your results in training. You make it sound like its the easiest thing to do the all those different strokes.

That's how i feel reading your posts. And that's why i wrote that.

 

[NextLevel]

Boogar,

You gotta swing from the body more. You are getting about 20% of your true power. And you are pushing too many balls. You have to do service falkenberg. Do falkenberg drill with the feeder serving. Loop even the balls that you think will break your racket and loop the high balls over the table. It will change how you see table tennis.

I like how your game is going - ignore my impatience .

NL

 

[Archosaurus]

Boogar I get your point. However it really isn't hard to loop slow without that much spin or to block soft at people who are a little worse than you.

Well, maybe it is. During the whole week I was such a mess that all I could do was poke at the ball. Today was just a good day. I'm really satisfied that today was a good day. Maybe I presented it wrong, whatever.



I kind of understand what you mean though. My enthusiasm comes across as annoying. I don't think I will be posting anymore blogs, because people just see it as cheap talk if there's no video evidence: even if I'm not trying to prove anything.

You see, I forget that people don't actually know how I played when I come here to post about it. I haven't filmed it, so they can't know. To top it off, everyone thinks I'm trying to hide my level and I'm actually much worse than in the videos I've shown. I know that's not true in the slightest, but that's not how other people see it based on what I've shown them.

I've improved a lot thanks to the feedback I've got and the things I've done based on it, but without some concrete proof, it's just talk I guess. You have that good thing going for you that you post somewhat regular updates and we know your level so you can be taken seriously. Sometimes I forget that no one takes me seriously.


I'll refrain from posting blogs or posting much in general, it just seems to upset people currently.

PS: Awesome footwork at 4:23. How did it improve so much in a short time? I'm trying to advance to this kind of footwork, so I'm curious how you did it.

 

[Boogar]

Boogar I get your point. However it really isn't hard to loop slow without that much spin or to block soft at people who are a little worse than you.

Well, maybe it is. During the whole week I was such a mess that all I could do was poke at the ball. Today was just a good day. I'm really satisfied that today was a good day. Maybe I presented it wrong, whatever.



I kind of understand what you mean though. My enthusiasm comes across as annoying. I don't think I will be posting anymore blogs, because people just see it as cheap talk if there's no video evidence: even if I'm not trying to prove anything.

You see, I forget that people don't actually know how I played when I come here to post about it. I haven't filmed it, so they can't know. To top it off, everyone thinks I'm trying to hide my level and I'm actually much worse than in the videos I've shown. I know that's not true in the slightest, but that's not how other people see it based on what I've shown them.

I've improved a lot thanks to the feedback I've got and the things I've done based on it, but without some concrete proof, it's just talk I guess. You have that good thing going for you that you post somewhat regular updates and we know your level so you can be taken seriously. Sometimes I forget that no one takes me seriously.


I'll refrain from posting blogs or posting much in general, it just seems to upset people currently.

It's not like i dislike reading your blogs. Most of them I like to read and are interesting to me as we are both beginners in this game.
However there are some blogs like the last one that i can't really take seriously. I understand where you are coming from and that you really like this game which is great!
And please don't let me be the reason that stops you from writing blog posts, by all means post them !

 

[Boogar]

Here is the second game, it was a very close game I had big problems against his inside out forehand loop.

At the end when i shuck his hand, they were rly cold I think he was very nervous and messed up the few last points. Ha psychological win!

Reverse Tomahawk for the win at 5:26

Revers backhand serve at 18:24

 

[Archosaurus]

Boogar, don't think you're discouraging me from posting.

It's my own choice to shut my mouth. I need to consider what kind of image I'm giving across: not just if I'm describing my experience or not. Every single problem I have with the people here comes from me describing my experience without taking into consideration the other posters here. They can't see my game like I see it or a bystander sees it, and my experiences certainly don't match reality: no one's does.

Now tell me, what do you like in my blogs/posts? My blogs/posts are always the same, at least to me, so you're gonna have to tell me what you would like to hear me talk about.

 

[thekleifheit13]

Looking good Boogar! Those deep serves and pushes that come fast definitely make it tough to put a good, relaxed swing on the ball. When you have time to take the swing you've obviously practiced a lot, you're consistent and really spinny. I think footwork and experience will make a big difference in your success with looping the faster balls like that. You play a good game man, keep at it!

 

[UpSideDownCarl]

Fast being relative. Long, one bounce on my side one bounce on theirs. Sidespin on the ball when it's on the ground. Curves heavily to the left from my view. However it's nowhere near as fast as a "real" fast serve.

Archie, this is just nonsense. You are gifted at that. And again where is the video. Until I see video to prove otherwise, I will remain confident that what you are doing is either comedy or tragedy, but not table tennis.


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