Daily Table Tennis Chit Chat

[ttmonster]

aside from all this , Cheng i Ching is showing up at our club these days with her friend who is coaching people there. Saw her practicing serve for the entire 1-1.5 hours she was there , put her cell phone at different parts of the table and kept trying to hit it on third bounce ... it was quite a sight .. my friend got an autograph , I would have gotten a picture but did not want to disturb her ...

 

[NextLevel]

aside from all this , Cheng i Ching is showing up at our club these days with her friend who is coaching people there. Saw her practicing serve for the entire 1-1.5 hours she was there , put her cell phone at different parts of the table and kept trying to hit it on third bounce ... it was quite a sight .. my friend got an autograph , I would have gotten a picture but did not want to disturb her ...

I would have recorded everything. Is her friend Jiaqi Zheng?

 

[UpSideDownCarl]

BTW: One question, maybe you can enlighten me, but what is generally considered as US-tabletennis, since I can't see any native americans teaching a lot of tabletennis, what i do see is tabletennis taught by european descendants, or chinese descendants, sometimes also other asian descendants and even Nigerian partly developed by australian (which then would again be european descendants, since i can't see any australian aboriginal TT-guys in here)

 

[NextLevel]

It's all African table tennis, I tell you! Ma Long the newest African Champion!

Okay, I am making bad jokes...

 

[ttmonster]

Yes NL you are right, how did you know ?
It was a little odd , because the entire club was empty with hardly a total of 6-7 people including Chen-i-Ching ... if there was a crowd with people taking pictures I could have joined in .. I just pretended as if I don't know who she is and kept stealing a glance at her serves ever so often , the one thing I noticed immediately was how long she was holding the ball in the racket, it was almost as if the entire power in the serve was from sponge and nothing from the arm .. something I have only seen a very few players do , even at 2400+ levels ... I can right now think of only 2 , Khoa Ngyuen and Truong Tu

I would have recorded everything. Is her friend Jiaqi Zheng?

 

[Archosaurus]

@UpSideDownCarl
@ttmonster

I can vaguely remember the video because it's the only time I saw ttmonster, but I cannot remember what I said. That should tell you what I currently think about my past views.

If he is still upset about it, then it would do him good to know that it wasn't anything personal. I would have said the same things to anyone else, probably. At one point I even thought NextLevel wasn't that good and I couldn't understand all the talk about his backhand, because I simply couldn't see the things I see now.

That's the past, though. I myself am not convinced that I still think that way, and I will be damn surprised if other people still are.

Anyway, I posted a question about equipment a little while back. I will ask again in some time if I have not made up my mind, but I'm just bringing it up again in case it got buried.

 

[Takkyu_wa_inochi]

arffff just played once TT in the last 10 days (cause i'm away from Tokyo)
i'm getting impatient to play again, 'tis really hard....

 

[Yecats Encerwal]

I am a bit confused about some things. Perhaps they can be cleared up for me.

What caused Archo to realize he needed a racket with rubbers that could grab the ball instead of that recreational thing with rubbers with grip like ice? Was what I did really bullying? Or did I help him out in the long run?

Way back when Archo was telling slimjimmi that his spaghetti legs footwork was terrible and he needed to work on it so he could be more like Ma Long, was it really bullying that some people like me felt the need to let Archo know just how darn good slimjimmi actually is? Or was that something that helped him out in the long run?

Let me think, was getting Archo to understand that DrPaco was higher level than him rather than lower level than him really a bad thing? Was it a bad thing to help Archo know that he was not the same level as StrangeLoop but that StrangeLoop was actually was at a pretty decently higher level?

When you walk into a REAL club, see everyone playing and think you are better than all of them, only to have a dose of reality handed to you, the experience of feeling the ball quality of a higher level player ultimately is a first step in improving: to know you've never felt that before and definitely have not produced it, even if you thought you LOOKED better than the guy who is spinning the hell out of the ball--that CAN actually, in point of fact, help someone learn that there are things that are real that they can work on and improve.

Was helping Archo realize he was not brushing the ball and was instead flat hitting bad for Archo? Was that bullying? Or did it help him realize a few things he could work on and improve?

Would the forum be a better place if nobody had actually gotten Archo in check and helped him realize he could not pull the kind of things he does really like to pull?

Well, now I know. Archo, you can go back to saying anything you want. When it is crazy stuff that is out of line, and you are telling people to swing from the shoulder for extra force, I am not going to bother asking where you got your info from.

And the goon squad, the Philly Mob, the NYC Mafia....it is funny....I didn't know those were bad names other people used to characterize my behavior.

I thought Der_Echte and I came up with those and used them for a whole host of reasons including trying to get people to be cautious about trying to buy expensive counterfeit products parading themselves around as Jun Mizutani's personal Tenergy 05 (oh wait, JM doesn't use T05) or Ma Long's Personal Skyline 3 National Blue Sponge (oh, wait ML uses H3 not TG3).

I thought we used the goon squad in various ways pretending we fought and captured them. Set traps for them or, actually were them when we went to cause trouble at a TT club.

But I guess I'm wrong. I wasn't part of making up the goon squad and never realized it was about me being a bully. Oh well. Darn it. Foiled again. I'll have to go back to the secret hideout and find new people to bully.

By the way, a piece of info: when Archo posted that he had done the hook serve spaz thingy shown in the WHenzel video, Shuki and I both posted almost identical perspectives in reaction to Archo. I didn't see Shuki's post till after I posted. He couldn't have seen mine because mine was posted a few minutes after his. So it was not actually that we were ganging up. But independently, we both had the same reaction. I wonder why that may have been. Hmmmm.....Food for thought....


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Okay let me explain as I think you and NL have taken things a little bit personally here and blown it out of proportion

Suga and I were simply saying that often people's opinions seem to get outnumbered by some of you guys and it comes across, whether you mean it to or not, as If your always right and we are always wrong. You can play the "victim card" if you like, but no one is calling anyone in particular a "bully", Suga was pointing out that collectively it can come across as bullying/mobbing, but its probably not intentional. And it definitely wasn't just about Archo, lets put him to one side for a minute.
it has happened to a lot of people before where they get shut down for saying something or questioned aggressively for not complying with other peoples opinions.

Listen, we all appreciate the fact that you are knowledgeable on certain aspects of TT, and that's fine. But there is often no need for the way things are said and it seems that shutting people down is totally unnecessary.

As for the Goon Squad thing, I don't think anyone is questioning the purpose of it, or why it was defined. At least I hope that's not what Suga meant!!

I think Suga was just saying that some of the people involved seem to gang up on others. That's all. Probably not intentional but it happens. You can keep going with your inside jokes, there is nothing wrong with that side of things, do what you want in that respect, its funny actually

The point is, we ALL want to be able to discuss our opinions on here openly without being made to feel stupid or lesser, and I'm sure a lot of users would agree with me here when I say that this is not always the case.

Anyway...

Lets keep this forum respectful, I have nothing against anyone in particular. WE ALL LOVE PING PONG and You are all cool people with lots of TT knowledge, and all of your opinions are massively important in creating interesting conversation. But there is a reason why Suga and I have said what we have. It doesn't just come out of thin air

 

[UpSideDownCarl]

Okay let me explain as I think you and NL have taken things a little bit personally here and blown it out of proportion

I can't speak for anyone else. I don't know that I am taking things personally. Suga D knows he is my friend and can say what he wants to me. I respect the fact that he speaks his mind. But I am okay with addressing some of the things that I feel may be off base.

I get the point that you are making that sometimes several of us come up with the same opinion individually and speak out and it comes off as shutting other opinions out and shutting people down. Or that one person says something and several other people agree with it and post their own version of the same opinions and then it looks like ganging up even more. I get what you are saying.

But did you get any of what I was saying?

Without some of what I have done, Archo would still be playing with a recreational racket that had rubber on it that more resembled antispin in grip than it resembled anything else. He would be talking about looping without any idea that he flat hit the ball and did not know how to brush. He would still think he was higher level than guys who are top 200 in UK because he had literally never seen footage of himself or played anyone who actually knew how to play. And he still would be insulting people for their body weight and for starting with their arm straight and ending their stroke with a bent elbow. And yet he still plays innocent and is tries to claim that direct personal insults were nothing personal.

I am glad things have changed a lot. I am glad Archo has started focusing on improving instead of criticizing other people's technique. I get the point that when a bunch of us gang up on one person it can be a turnoff. I think that is worth looking at. But do you get what I have said?

 

[Yecats Encerwal]

I can't speak for anyone else. I don't know that I am taking things personally. Suga D knows he is my friend and can say what he wants to me. I respect the fact that he speaks his mind. But I am okay with addressing some of the things that I feel may be off base.

I get the point that you are making that sometimes several of us come up with the same opinion individually and speak out and it comes off as shutting other opinions out and shutting people down. Or that one person says something and several other people agree with it and post their own version of the same opinions and then it looks like ganging up even more. I get what you are saying.

But did you get any of what I was saying?

Without some of what I have done, Archo would still be playing with a recreational racket that had rubber on it that more resembled antispin in grip than it resembled anything else. He would be talking about looping without any idea that he flat hit the ball and did not know how to brush. He would still think he was higher level than guys who are top 200 in UK because he had literally never seen footage of himself or played anyone who actually knew how to play. And he still would be insulting people for their body weight and for starting with their arm straight and ending their stroke with a bent elbow. And yet he still plays innocent and is tries to claim that direct personal insults were nothing personal.

I am glad things have changed a lot. I am glad Archo has started focusing on improving instead of criticizing other people's technique. I get the point that when a bunch of us gang up on one person it can be a turnoff. I think that is worth looking at. But do you get what I have said?

I do get what you are saying, yes

You, and others on TTD, have definitely helped Archo massively and I'm sure he is very thankful for that. I totally agree, he shouldn't think he is at a higher level than he is, as this hinders progress massively. He has his own way of going about things... he is certainly very confident that's for sure

Thanks for looking into the whole ganging up thing, the thing is, It is never just one persons fault so its hard to find the cause. I think its just a case of everyone taking a step back and thinking "Have I got anything useful to add here, or am I just gunna unintentionally kick this guy whilst he is down?". Or, the approach I have which Is to try and put myself in the posters shoes and try to figure out why they are asking the question, and what sort of conversation they are looking to achieve from it. I try not to assume the worst of people, but maybe that's the wrong approach

Thanks for your post Carl, I can see where you are coming from entirely! Sometimes the forum gets a bit "political", but at the end of the day we are all here for the same reason - PING PONG

 

[Archosaurus]

@UpSideDownCarl

What you are wrong about is your assumption that I have something personal with ttmonster.

You can believe it, and he can believe it, and you can keep causing problems due to it, or you can just accept my current stance and let it be. I have no problem at all with him even if he dislikes me, and if it would have been anyone else demonstrating the same technique, I would have probably said similar things.

 

[UpSideDownCarl]

@UpSideDownCarl

What you are wrong about is your assumption that I have something personal with ttmonster.

You can believe it, and he can believe it, and you can keep causing problems due to it, or you can just accept my current stance and let it be. I have no problem at all with him even if he dislikes me, and if it would have been anyone else demonstrating the same technique, I would have probably said similar things.

No, I don't think you have anything personal against ttmonster. You saying this and coming to this conclusion could be you being naive and misunderstanding. Or it could be you twisting things to serve your means.

However, I do think monster has something personal against you AND it is WELL FOUNDED. What I am saying is that if you insult someone, and the statements are directly personal and go beyond technique, especially when the person is pretty good and didn't deserve the insults, those insults ARE PERSONAL. Back then, several times, NextLevel explained to you that, when people have posted video footage of themselves, they are less likely to be insulting to others when "offering" critical analysis of technique. You may have forgotten what you said or how you acted. But you did and said the things you did and said. And yes Archo: Personal insults are personal. So, if you have forgotten, that does not mean that what you said was not a personal attack and way below the belt.

I also still remember the stuff you said about me, of my playing. I don't hold it against you. But it was also personal insults. So were so many of your posts back then. The good news is, you are more focused on getting better at playing rather than insulting others. But I don't believe you ever did apologize to any of the people you personally insulted back in the day.

 

[Yecats Encerwal]

No, I don't think you have anything personal against ttmonster. You saying this and coming to this conclusion could be you being naive and misunderstanding. Or it could be you twisting things to serve your means.

However, I do think monster has something personal against you AND it is WELL FOUNDED. What I am saying is that if you insult someone, and the statements are directly personal and go beyond technique, especially when the person is pretty good and didn't deserve the insults, those insults ARE PERSONAL. Back then, several times, NextLevel explained to you that, when people have posted video footage of themselves, they are less likely to be insulting to others when "offering" critical analysis of technique. You may have forgotten what you said or how you acted. But you did and said the things you did and said. And yes Archo: Personal insults are personal. So, if you have forgotten, that does not mean that what you said was not a personal attack and way below the belt.

I also still remember the stuff you said about me. I don't hold it against you. But it was also personal insults. So were so many of your posts back then. The good news is, you are more focused on getting better at playing rather than insulting others. But I don't believe you ever did apologize to any of the people you personally insulted back in the day.

If what Carl is saying is true, and you have personally insulted people, than an apology or two would probably go a long way to helping you move forward more harmoniously

Just sayin...

 

[NextLevel]

Okay let me explain as I think you and NL have taken things a little bit personally here and blown it out of proportion

Suga and I were simply saying that often people's opinions seem to get outnumbered by some of you guys and it comes across, whether you mean it to or not, as If your always right and we are always wrong. You can play the "victim card" if you like, but no one is calling anyone in particular a "bully", Suga was pointing out that collectively it can come across as bullying/mobbing, but its probably not intentional. And it definitely wasn't just about Archo, lets put him to one side for a minute.
it has happened to a lot of people before where they get shut down for saying something or questioned aggressively for not complying with other peoples opinions.

Listen, we all appreciate the fact that you are knowledgeable on certain aspects of TT, and that's fine. But there is often no need for the way things are said and it seems that shutting people down is totally unnecessary.

As for the Goon Squad thing, I don't think anyone is questioning the purpose of it, or why it was defined. At least I hope that's not what Suga meant!!

I think Suga was just saying that some of the people involved seem to gang up on others. That's all. Probably not intentional but it happens. You can keep going with your inside jokes, there is nothing wrong with that side of things, do what you want in that respect, its funny actually

The point is, we ALL want to be able to discuss our opinions on here openly without being made to feel stupid or lesser, and I'm sure a lot of users would agree with me here when I say that this is not always the case.

Anyway...

Lets keep this forum respectful, I have nothing against anyone in particular. WE ALL LOVE PING PONG and You are all cool people with lots of TT knowledge, and all of your opinions are massively important in creating interesting conversation. But there is a reason why Suga and I have said what we have. It doesn't just come out of thin air

There was a time I was massively into reading about evolutionary psychology and philosophy. One of the things I learned was that arguments are really about persuasion, and that facts are facts regardless of what you argue. One of my favorite examples was from 2005 when I thought a movie was coming out the next week and my brother thought it was coming out that week and as we were about to start arguing, I said, "This is a fact - we can check the computer when we get home - why are we arguing?"

An icon of US table tennis just died. He wasn't always the sweetest person. I said as much. But he was kind and honest and very direct, never scared to voice his opinion, sometimes to the detriment of some poor kid who was choing or having a loud conversation next to his table. And that opinion could sometimes override the kid or the parent who brought the kid there.

I understand how the likes system can drive you up the wall when you interpret it as people ganging up on you. But given that we all have our own personalities, agreements and disagreements, what you see as ganging up is only that in very few cases if any at all, and in my last post about the goon squad, I explained the human psychology that seems to underlie that. But more often than not, it is simply people expressing agreement.

It's not like supposed members of this clique/cabal etc. haven't argued with each other before on this forum. As ttmonster pointed out, when I was upset with Boogar for liking Chinese secrets posted by someone who has not displayed his expertise, it's not like Boogar isn't one of my favorite posters on the website. Or when I argue with Carl over the benefits of exercise for playing TT, does it mean that Carl and I are now enemies?

Listen, I have a forceful online personality. I have a lifetime of experience making truly unpopular arguments and not giving a hoot about what others say in response. And no, it doesn't mean I don't care what other say, as people on other forums can tell, I just have experience not caring what others say. Trust me, some of the things I write are such that you really can't agree with them unless you read them. But we aren't dealing with the real world here, we are dealing with table tennis players, many of whom in the US are participating in a niche sport.

As much as I do not like it when the fact that I am debating someone upsets them, I will say that I was really disappointed when you started stooping so low as to make statements like this:

Thanks Suga, you made some really good points there. I agree that often, certain members of TTD seem to abuse their "power" and definitely team up against individuals on here when they want to. There is a collective group who go against individuals when they "slip up", or don't 100% conform with what the "group of superior TT knowledge and expertise" think. I have been victim of this in the past and I have seen it happen a few times here and there.

All this amounted to me was that "sometimes, I don't like the way NextLevel especially posts, and he seems enabled by Carl and others" because I was probably the only person who could see what you considered ganging up, when it was mostly a matter of forcefully defended opinion.

If it had been "slip up", which is a very euphemistic way of putting what trolls do, I would have been okay, but the idea that there is a "group of superior TT knowledge and expertise" is very much below the belt and insulting. Try coaching adult learners who are frustrated that they aren't getting any better after years of training. Most TT instruction is directed towards people who learned as kids and got good as kids. What I try to do is to help people who did not get such instruction or who need an understanding of the kinds of experiences they will need to get better as adults. You are likely a higher ranked and better player than I am. People post video here everyday and we are looking for more and more insightful players to contribute knowledge. MAybe the market is not as large wherever you are, but if I were to agree with your explanation for what is happening. there are lots of amateurs in America who will give you and SugaD all the power you want to abuse me when I "slip up" if you were to make recommendations they could follow that you felt would improve their table tennis. Including me!

But is really happening is that people are just liking what they see as human beings and you think it is ganging up. But in any case, I would like you to contribute more as an online coach since you play a lot of good TT.

So here is video of my worst serve. I need tips on how to improve it. Please help!

 

[Takkyu_wa_inochi]

I gave up practising that reverse serve. i've tried to work on it quite a lot, i don't get it. I can't manage to give enough speed to the ball. I've not filmed myself, but i think you suffer a bit the same thing. your serves are spinny, short and a bit low which is great, but looks to me there is not enough pace on it to really surprise the opponent.

because i see you mostly trying to give spin with your wrist and you're not taking much or any backswing, which gives more power but makes the motion more difficult to execute.

anyway i'm not sure this is good advice, as i don't know at all how to do this serve. I'm focusing on improving my BH serve which is starting to get better, and working on the shovel serve (ala Miu Hirano for example) which is becoming more popular especially among ladies, and seems easier to execute, at least for me, i am feeling i can do it if I work more on it. You get the sidespin in the same direction than the reverse serve with those serves. But its less cool to look like Miu Hirano than Zhang Jike or MA Long

 

[NextLevel]

I gave up practising that reverse serve. i've tried to work on it quite a lot, i don't get it. I can't manage to give enough speed to the ball. I've not filmed myself, but i think you suffer a bit the same thing. your serves are spinny, short and a bit low which is great, but looks to me there is not enough pace on it to really surprise the opponent.

because i see you mostly trying to give spin with your wrist and you're not taking much or any backswing, which gives more power but makes the motion more difficult to execute.

anyway i'm not sure this is good advice, as i don't know at all how to do this serve. I'm focusing on improving my BH serve which is starting to get better, and working on the shovel serve (ala Miu Hirano for example) which is becoming more popular especially among ladies, and seems easier to execute, at least for me, i am feeling i can do it if I work more on it. You get the sidespin in the same direction than the reverse serve with those serves. But its less cool to look like Miu Hirano than Zhang Jike or MA Long

Ma Long almost never serves reverse in matches. I already have a pretty decent punch serve, and the first serve I learned from Brett was actually the reverse. It just fell into disuse and then I hated the quality more and more vs my other serves so both by backhand short serve and my reverse short serves, which were my best serves, became my worst serves, and my backspin nopsin, punch and pendulum became my best serves. I want to bring up the serves that are behind back to the same level.

 

[Yecats Encerwal]

You really are confusing me NL. Not once have I said anything bad about you and have stated many a time that I have nothing against you at all. It feels a lot like you are looking to be insulted by what I am saying, and I am not sure why this is the case.

I have a lifetime of experience making truly unpopular arguments and not giving a hoot about what others say in response. And no, it doesn't mean I don't care what other say, as people on other forums can tell, I just have experience not caring what others say.

Do you not think this is an issue though? If you are going to debate something with someone, you have to take their opinion into account. That's how debates work and that's the ONLY way they can even get close to being resolved.

All this amounted to me was that "sometimes, I don't like the way NextLevel especially posts, and he seems enabled by Carl and others" because I was probably the only person who could see what you considered ganging up, when it was mostly a matter of forcefully defended opinion.

Now, you have taken this way out of context and completely personalised it. I was referencing Carl more than you, in my paragraph. There have been times where I have posted something, or asked a question, which many other users get involved in and seem to enjoy discussing, and suddenly I get questioned as to why I have even asked the question or created the thread. My "premise" is wrong, when if you think about it, it is MY premise. Then other users jump in against me. This has happened to other users too, for sharing an opinion.

You mentioned something about enemies? I haven't said that anyone needs to be enemies because they disagree...

If it had been "slip up", which is a very euphemistic way of putting what trolls do, I would have been okay, but the idea that there is a "group of superior TT knowledge and expertise" is very much below the belt and insulting.

Notice how I put slip up in " ". Clearly, I was referencing the fact that I get told I am wrong, when often I am stating my opinion or just asking a question. And I don't know how you have taken the second part as an insult. You guys do have superior knowledge and expertise, especially when it comes to coaching an equipment. Is that so wrong to point out?

Please stop looking for reasons to be insulted, how many times do I have to say that I have nothing against you, and wouldn't mean to insult you NL!!

I get it, you coach older players, that's great, it really is But I am failing to see how it has any bearing on the conversation, we all come from different backgrounds after all.

The ganging up has nothing to do with likes. Its to do with posts. People throwing around actual insults and mocking other users. Very unnecessary. Again, this isn't you...

Ultimately, things have been taken way out of context, I just want a friendly forum where people get along...Is that too much to ask?

I will look at your video when I can

 

[NextLevel]

You really are confusing me NL. Not once have I said anything bad about you and have stated many a time that I have nothing against you at all. It feels a lot like you are looking to be insulted by what I am saying, and I am not sure why this is the case.



Do you not think this is an issue though? If you are going to debate something with someone, you have to take their opinion into account. That's how debates work and that's the ONLY way they can even get close to being resolved.



Now, you have taken this way out of context and completely personalised it. I was referencing Carl more than you, in my paragraph. There have been times where I have posted something, or asked a question, which many other users get involved in and seem to enjoy discussing, and suddenly I get questioned as to why I have even asked the question or created the thread. My "premise" is wrong, when if you think about it, it is MY premise. Then other users jump in against me. This has happened to other users too, for sharing an opinion.

You mentioned something about enemies? I haven't said that anyone needs to be enemies because they disagree...



Notice how I put slip up in " ". Clearly, I was referencing the fact that I get told I am wrong, when often I am stating my opinion or just asking a question. And I don't know how you have taken the second part as an insult. You guys do have superior knowledge and expertise, especially when it comes to coaching an equipment. Is that so wrong to point out?

Please stop looking for reasons to be insulted, how many times do I have to say that I have nothing against you, and wouldn't mean to insult you NL!!

I get it, you coach older players, that's great, it really is But I am failing to see how it has any bearing on the conversation, we all come from different backgrounds after all.

The ganging up has nothing to do with likes. Its to do with posts. People throwing around actual insults and mocking other users. Very unnecessary. Again, this isn't you...

Ultimately, things have been taken way out of context, I just want a friendly forum where people get along...Is that too much to ask?

I will look at your video when I can

One problem is that you continue to speak in elliptical phrases.

I now understand what you are talking about - those old "Best Player ever threads". Man, there is a reason why I don't even post on those threads. I would probably strangle Carl for his opinions. But the problem in part is that those threads, to be argued properly, require a lot of knowledge and you have to be able to defend your ignorance when someone says, "Did you know..."

And no, I do not consider myself someone with superior TT knowledge and expertise. I just have a niche and play within it. People with superior TT knowledge and expertise play and coach at a much higher level than myself.

My point is that the people who are abusing their power are the people who spent years building the forum and they probably do not know they are abusing their power. Just spend time building the forum too and figure out how to strangle them and they will not strangle you either!

And if you do not fix my serve, I will take it very personally and get everyone on the forum to hate you! Yes, we will create a new hate button just for your posts...

 

[Yecats Encerwal]

One problem is that you continue to speak in elliptical phrases.

I now understand what you are talking about - those old "Best Player ever threads". Man, there is a reason why I don't even post on those threads. I would probably strangle Carl for his opinions. But the problem in part is that those threads, to be argued properly, require a lot of knowledge and you have to be able to defend your ignorance when someone says, "Did you know..."

My point is that the people who are abusing their power are the people who spent years building the forum and they probably do not know they are abusing their power. Just spend time building the forum too and figure out how to strangle them and they will not strangle you either!

And if you do not fix my serve, I will take it very personally and get everyone on the forum to hate you! Yes, we will create a new hate button just for your posts...

The things is with "Greatest Ever" posts and things like that, is that they are ALL opinion based. It is impossible for an answer to be decided, there will always be someone with a different answer. That's why it is interesting to discuss and debate! If Carl had come in and given me an essay on why Michael Maze is the best to have ever lived, then I'd understand and appreciate it. But he came in and gave an essay about why my premise is all off, and that annoyed me cause lots of people enjoyed the premise. Its not the first time it has happened, and he is not the only person who does it .
Anyway, we can let that slide as it was a while back now and I don't particularly want to discuss it further. I don't hold grudges and 99% of the time I thoroughly enjoy Carls posts

I 100% appreciate that you guys basically built this forum, that's fantastic. You can tell I enjoy it by the amount of time I spend on here, and I'd like to think I get on well with you guys in general Just occasionally I see things that annoy me and I react accordingly, I'm human after all

Please don't set up a hate button against me!!!

 

[NextLevel]

Please don't set up a hate button against me!!!

Then
1. Be more direct when commenting about things you do not like.
2. Fix my serve!