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LOLOL at me, you got me GOOD on this one, i misread this quote (i believe JFK said it) - read too fast and my eyes read the first few words and my mind filled in the rest of the quote correctly

And the Bruce Lee quote i recognized instantly :)

Funny what turning a quote upside down and backwards can do to the meaning.


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@Michael_Z :

1. NL is right , you need to stay as close to the table as you can , one of the reasons why you are not able to stay close and also not able to beat this guy is because you are trying to out "hit" him . You should try to out "spin" him . If you see the videos , the guy has already decided he is going to block , but he does not block off the bounce , he mostly blocks later , so just keep spinny looping him from side to side and the middle . He may flat hit a couple , but if he will miss. In the footage I could see quite a few instances where he missed his blocks when the spin was more ...

2. Also he does not like to move in and out , so move him in and out , serve short to FH / BH , then push or loop to long to either corners or to his body ...

this is what I could come up with .. but the guy is good .. the first step to solving a problem is to acknowledge it .. the moment you start giving him respect , you will actually start thinking of how to get better and beat him, if you understimate him , you won't , you would think what you are doing is correct and he is being lucky, in most cases that is simply not true , there is a reason why its called "luck", if its occurs more often then its "skill" .. that is the reason I consider my regular partners consistent nets and edges as skill and not luck :)
 
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@Michael_Z :

1. NL is right , you need to stay as close to the table as you can , one of the reasons why you are not able to stay close and also not able to beat this guy is because you are trying to out "hit" him . You should try to out "spin" him . If you see the videos , the guy has already decided he is going to block , but he does not block off the bounce , he mostly blocks later , so just keep spinny looping him from side to side and the middle . He may flat hit a couple , but if he will miss. In the footage I could see quite a few instances where he missed his blocks when the spin was more ...

2. Also he does not like to move in and out , so move him in and out , serve short to FH / BH , then push or loop to long to either corners or to his body ...

this is what I could come up with .. but the guy is good .. the first step to solving a problem is to acknowledge it .. the moment you start giving him respect , you will actually start thinking of how to get better and beat him, if you understimate him , you won't , you would think what you are doing is correct and he is being lucky, in most cases that is simply not true , there is a reason why its called "luck", if its occurs more often then its "skill" .. that is the reason I consider my regular partners consistent nets and edges as skill and not luck :)

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the guy is probably better than you think.
I agree with all ttmonster said.

you're playing way too far from the table [we told you so also from earlier videos], it makes blocking much easier, he can even afford to take the ball late. In his blocks he is reaching for the ball with his arm, its no problem against speedy balls, but against spinny balls far from him, he has bad control and misses. If you play closer from the table, you won't give him as much time to react, he would be under more pressure and miss more

He is also very tall, it may be good to attack more his middle. also i think he doesn't go down enough on his legs. I bet he has problems against backspin. maybe morphing from time to time into a chopper may help. for example, chopping his long topspin serve.

You keep serving long to him, you have to try to move him from his baseline. serve short and push/loop long, and try low angled short balls as well in receive or during rallies.
 
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To be fair, me and our no. 1 player both agreed, that y-day the blocker was in a really good form.
Mostly he doesnt play that well, (one of the reason I lost too), .. but some tactic advise would surely help me..

So this is my match with him:


Fun to watch. The guy is pretty good.

I like watching you play though. Your style is pretty entertaining. Good to watch. It reminds me of the old Hungarian loopers from the late 70s in a way like Klampar, Gergely and Jonyer.

Your BH is pretty nice.

But don't be fooled. That guy is good. He is giving you a lot of awkward balls that you are forced to make decisions on.
 
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I must say one thing, though. Don't hate the guy for hustling you, Michal. IIRC you said that he was indeed talking about how good he is and being a bit rude about it even?

So that it happened that you underestimated him and thought he is joking or is full of it is just a result of your own egotism in regards to how you feel about your looping game. You didn't respect his awkward blocking game, even when it's good enough to beat you.

I think if you give him some respect and try to adapt your play, you'll figure out ways to get him into trouble, because IMO he has some issues with footwork and technique that you can abuse. He blocks with his racket very low and keeps his body very high which to my understanding makes it difficult to block spinny balls to begin with, and his consistency against wide, spinny balls to his backhand is terrible, for one.

Even despite those weaknesses, he's still beating you guys, so he's no joke.

Go to 23:08 in your video and think what you did there. Did you mix your style up and gave him something he is uncomfortable with, or did you just blindly whack the ball at him in hopes of winning?
 
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I don't think I've ever posted about my day before on this thread.

I played a guy named Kiki today at Robert Chen's club, who had 2 paddles: one paddle had short pips long pips, the other paddle had short pips antispin.

He was better than I thought and won the first game. Afterwards, I annihilated him. He changed to his antispin paddle, and I beat him again more easily this time. Robert then made me give him 3 points as a handicap, I still won. Then 4 points as a handicap, still won.

My skill over junk players still holds strong :p
In other words, a good day
 
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yesterday i went at the club.
still trying to feel those new sensations with my FH.
i had some training matches. i showed some very good combos serve+3rd ball attack and tried my new long underspin serve.
combos somehow were very strong but i wasn't very consistent because my footwork was too slow after serving.
I was receiving worse than usual:

As a result i beat one pal 3-2 a bit more difficult than usual; lost 2-3 to a guy i won 3-2 last time despite being 2-1 up (11-3 in the third) and lost 1-3 to a LP modern defender that i beat 3-0 last time. I made a lot of mistakes receiving long serves going to my BH yesterday, more than usual, thats really where it hurt the most yesterday. i think being a bit too tense and not 100% focus is the reason

there is another mini tournament tonight i hope i will have learned from that.
 
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One week of the wife-imposed 2.5 week absence from table tennis is in effect. This is worse than the Goon Squad on your tail.

I DID manage to deliver a rubber someone ordered to a once-a-week club I never visited... Everyone saw me and asked whats up... I replied by asking if they never noticed the handcuff marks on my wrists and my ankle GPS.

I saved a total anger boil over by letter her know the largest Asian market in Sacramento was only a few miles away... so that kept the Goon Squad off me for a day.

Gunna try to sneak out Thursday PM... see how it goes.

None of you had better not try to take pics of any of the AFTER pics of me in the ICU (my likely destination 5 minutes after wife discovers my whereabouts)... that would not help my reputation any at all.
 
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Thank you guys, I will try as much as I can..
So stay close to the table, play short/long combo, always change the destination of the ball, left, right, middle..
The biggest problem is to stay close, I am sooo sooo used to be away.. I know its not good, but.. its years of play that way..
and I am trying to stay close, but the mindset is not there yet..
 
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Thank you guys, I will try as much as I can..
So stay close to the table, play short/long combo, always change the destination of the ball, left, right, middle..
The biggest problem is to stay close, I am sooo sooo used to be away.. I know its not good, but.. its years of play that way..
and I am trying to stay close, but the mindset is not there yet..

Do serve-push-loop drills and serve-flick-counterloop drills. If your training is towards rallying, you will rally. If your training is towards 3rd and 5th ball, you will 3rd and 5th ball.
 
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Thank you guys, I will try as much as I can..
So stay close to the table, play short/long combo, always change the destination of the ball, left, right, middle..
The biggest problem is to stay close, I am sooo sooo used to be away.. I know its not good, but.. its years of play that way..
and I am trying to stay close, but the mindset is not there yet..


You have to learn to loop over the ball with fast strokes . It is the biggest problem that makes people back up so much. Their racket head speed is slow so they need to play upward strokes.
 
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Ha, now I even found out that he fooled me one point.. Damn..
After the change ends it was 5:4 me in the lead. Then at 6:6 the rally with me lobing, catching the edge, 7:6 for me.
He should serve, I gave him the ball, he say 7:7, you serve.
Me stupid believed.
So in fact I didnt lose 12:10 but 11:10, lol..
I will show him the tape next week :D
Hi Michal_Z,
I just wanted to comment your video seen from my view. The guys have commented on a lot of good points. This is what I noticed in the first set.
As TT monster pointed out is that you need to move the blocker more when you have the service. The game of a blocker is usually fed by the opponents power so slow spinny and flat loops are difficult for him to counter or block. I think I saw one at 1.32. In the open game you really need more variation on the placement of the ball. You tend to play him in either in FH or BH. What makes a good table tennis player good is if a player has a plan a,b,c etc. and leave your opponent guessing all the time. Mix your game up and you will see a difference.
 
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One week of the wife-imposed 2.5 week absence from table tennis is in effect. This is worse than the Goon Squad on your tail.

I DID manage to deliver a rubber someone ordered to a once-a-week club I never visited... Everyone saw me and asked whats up... I replied by asking if they never noticed the handcuff marks on my wrists and my ankle GPS.

I saved a total anger boil over by letter her know the largest Asian market in Sacramento was only a few miles away... so that kept the Goon Squad off me for a day.

Gunna try to sneak out Thursday PM... see how it goes.

None of you had better not try to take pics of any of the AFTER pics of me in the ICU (my likely destination 5 minutes after wife discovers my whereabouts)... that would not help my reputation any at all.

Sun Bae/Si-hing/Senpai,

4 words ... "Happy wife, happy life."

DON'T SNEAK OUT! DO NOT RISK THE WRATH OF THE WIFE!

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Hi Michal_Z,
I just wanted to comment your video seen from my view. The guys have commented on a lot of good points. This is what I noticed in the first set.
As TT monster pointed out is that you need to move the blocker more when you have the service. The game of a blocker is usually fed by the opponents power so slow spinny and flat loops are difficult for him to counter or block. I think I saw one at 1.32. In the open game you really need more variation on the placement of the ball. You tend to play him in either in FH or BH. What makes a good table tennis player good is if a player has a plan a,b,c etc. and leave your opponent guessing all the time. Mix your game up and you will see a difference.

Thank you for your advices :)
Guys, you make me feel stupid..
So many good ideas that I mostly dont use and I should..

And I considered myself smart, lol..
 
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Another "chess-style" mini tournament for me today with 10 players including the coach, a defender, and 5 rounds for every player.

This time was my best finish so far, 4th out of 10 with 3wins 2 loss (including 1 against the coach).
I had two easy and predictable wins, and 1 predictable loss against the coach. I had lost -5 -5 -11 last time with 3 set points, but this time it was -5 -5 -0 !!!! i wasn't consistent at all, and my footwork and thus my FH was a total mess against him.

For my 4th matched, i was paired against a guy around my level who beat me 3-1 last time. But today i had warmed up with him, and I could feel I was better than him in free play. So i started with confidence, attacking from the start without hesitation (unlike last time), and avoided to play in his strengths (his BH block and his BH chiquita flick receive). So basically i changed a bit my receives, and my long serves to his BH (pendulum underspin and BH topspin) gave him a lot of problems.

I have a good start and win 11-6 the 1st set. Many tchooos, good sign. He starts tchoooing as well from the 2nd set, its much closer, there are much more good rallies, some with FH counter-drive, or BH to BH. I win a few important very good points including a very good "lucky" BH counter with my wrist against a strong FH drive (i did once the same one during the warm-up so not totally "lucky" :) ). The second set is close, but i grab it 11-9.
The third set is also a very close battle, tactics from both side have little change. He's ahead 10-8 this time. but i finish with the serve. Same tactics, I don't panic, and continue to attack strongly and I manage to close the game 12-10 with a last smash behind my BH topspin serve. 3-0 sweet revenge but it was tougher than it seems. If i lost the 3rd set I cannot tell what would have happened.

So i'm still in play to finish 1st among "students" before the last match. I'm faced with a veteran leftie PH with BS. Probably he was a much better player when young, but he cannot move very well, although he's trying to play all-FH. Alas, i have a poor performance where i am way too nervous, a bit like last tournament when i was in the finals. I don't commit enough to my shots, and because I'm nervous i make a lot of bad receives, and poor serves (with some real offerings, notably on the match point !!!)

Despite that and losing 0-3, the score was -8 -5 -9. So there is a lot to regret. The guy was surely good, and his serves were really good, a lot of sidespin, and me always guessing if it was topspin/backspin/knuckle. But I could have done much better, I played much better the previous match, for example, and i had a good win against my leftie long time enemy in the last tourney, so I think its really I underperformed mentally, and I didn't find the resources to pause/think clearly/relax/be aware etc... I could have done much much better for sure.

All in all, overall, an honorable level, but I still fail to produce 2 good matches in a row.

[PS. NO camera this time, the tourney was a bit far, and my equipment is too heavy, and it was raining. I shall invest in a good smartphone...]
 
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Another "chess-style" mini tournament for me today with 10 players including the coach, a defender, and 5 rounds for every player.

This time was my best finish so far, 4th out of 10 with 3wins 2 loss (including 1 against the coach).

Awesome finish Sir! Nothing to sneeze at. Very respectable!

Seems nerves/confidence is still a challenge for you. Not sure what to say other than relax (and yes, i face the challenge of learning to relax also).
 
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Takkyu_wa_inochi, do you have also doubles tournaments in there?
We try to train doubles quite a lot, because we have doubles in our leagues and it is with what we begin our matches.
Our league is best of 18 (so it can end up with an draw 9:9), starting with 2 doubles games and then 16 singles (4x4 players playing each other, with one possible switch with an fifth player anytime wanted, second switch after 10th win - when the match is decided)..
So - it is a very pleased to start singles with 2:0 lead after you manage to win both doubles.
That is why we try to train doubles a lot, because that gives us upper hand in the match start.
So how about doubles tournament?
 
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there are lot of doubles only tournaments going here. I almost never go there but i've been once because it was in the Tokyo Gymnasium sub-Arena and i was curious. I would go again if its in the MAIN area... :)

In our local league, there are also some team tournaments (2 or 3 times a year) with S-S-D-S-S format and usually i play that D match with my usual partner. I would like to go to more team events in Open tournaments but its difficult to gather a good team with people motivated to play far from the base all day during the WE.
 
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