Daily Table Tennis Chit Chat

[NextLevel]

I played 15 matches, recorded 14, and lost 8 recordings because of a corrupted disk. Sucks because I wanted to see some of those points and some of them were against younger opponents that really pushed me.

Here is the first Saturday match where I saved 3 match points in game 3. Sorry, it is pretty long and really needs to be edited, but some day, I guess...

 

[netdriver]

looks like i dont need a faster blade after all.......

enough mingling with other girls, im going back to my one true love; yasaka atletico spin

she may be a bit weaker than the others at mid-range but i am strong enough to make do without the speed

OTOH i lost a lot of matches i wasnt supposed to bc my feet were stuck like concrete

i brought new shoes and it seems like they're too big for me

 

[Takkyu_wa_inochi]

I played 15 matches, recorded 14, and lost 8 recordings because of a corrupted disk. Sucks because I wanted to see some of those points and some of them were against younger opponents that really pushed me.

Here is the first Saturday match where I saved 3 match points in game 3. Sorry, it is pretty long and really needs to be edited, but some day, I guess...

ive been using pinghero.ai to edit. it costs a bit of money but i value my time more

 

[NextLevel]

ive been using pinghero.ai to edit. it costs a bit of money but i value my time more

Someone told me to use betterplay.ai, that it is now cheap enough to use and he gave me the rates, and I agreed.

 

[NextLevel]

So I want to discuss a couple of points primary for @Gozo Aruna since he is asking a little bit about spin.

So usually, like most adult learners, I am a lazy player and like to do what I have to do. So it is hard to understand this point at 2-0, 11-11:

Without having seen this point that happened at 2-0, 10-10:

You can see that the prior point, I was too risk averse to spin the ball and open and got my subsequent push attacked in a way I couldn't block it. So rather than repeat the play and let him hit it or miss it, I took the risk to open and let the chips fall where they may. Such decisions don't always pay off, but in this match, it did, both for that point and for the match result.

At the lower levels at which we play, it is extremely common to face a guy who is extremely good against the pushed or sitting ball, but not that good against topspin openings (there are people with opposite weaknesses but that is for another times). So sometimes, to beat such players, you don't have to open like Ma Long, you just need to open and force them, on the defensive and play the point from there.

The original purpose of the loop was to have a safe way of attacking backspin. Right now, the benefit of looping is that you can topspin any long ball (in theory) and some short ones as well. But if you want to push all day long, you are going to be susceptible to the guy who can consistently attack the backspin ball - develop your loop and don't be that guy, and you will be surprised at the quality of player that will become beatable because many, many players do not attack the opening topspin ball below a certain level. And that is all you need to get an advantage in the point.

 

[vvk1]

ive been using pinghero.ai to edit. it costs a bit of money but i value my time more

From https://pinghero.ai/faq/en/: "Our video analysis technology is still young. That’s why, at the moment, we review each video manually."

Looks like someone is getting paid to watch TT ...

 

[dingyibvs]

So I want to discuss a couple of points primary for @Gozo Aruna since he is asking a little bit about spin.

So usually, like most adult learners, I am a lazy player and like to do what I have to do. So it is hard to understand this point at 2-0, 11-11:

Without having seen this point that happened at 2-0, 10-10:

You can see that the prior point, I was too risk averse to spin the ball and open and got my subsequent push attacked in a way I couldn't block it. So rather than repeat the play and let him hit it or miss it, I took the risk to open and let the chips fall where they may. Such decisions don't always pay off, but in this match, it did, both for that point and for the match result.

At the lower levels at which we play, it is extremely common to face a guy who is extremely good against the pushed or sitting ball, but not that good against topspin openings (there are people with opposite weaknesses but that is for another times). So sometimes, to beat such players, you don't have to open like Ma Long, you just need to open and force them, on the defensive and play the point from there.

The original purpose of the loop was to have a safe way of attacking backspin. Right now, the benefit of looping is that you can topspin any long ball (in theory) and some short ones as well. But if you want to push all day long, you are going to be susceptible to the guy who can consistently attack the backspin ball - develop your loop and don't be that guy, and you will be surprised at the quality of player that will become beatable because many, many players do not attack the opening topspin ball below a certain level. And that is all you need to get an advantage in the point.

I'd like to see @Gozo Aruna smashing that one you looped for a winner 😆

 

[Der_Echte]

Yes, NL... Spin wins... and if one shows opponent he or she can spin attackable balls with any consistency... and opponent is not capable or inclined to counter the topspin ball... that player has huge tactical and psychological advantages in the match - especially as match get tighter at the end. HUGE advantage.

Just look at how NL's opponent body language showed... every inch showed he was knocked of his game tilted... even when NL decided to push.

 

[Gozo Zyreruna]

I'd like to see @Gozo Aruna smashing that one you looped for a winner 😆

You are being disrespectful! That was an Aruna Q. level loop. It was meant to be an unreturnable shot. Hence, for me, I'll just enjoy spectating that loop.


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That is until I learn how to counter-loop in some distance future.

 

[NextLevel]

Guess the rating used to be a popular contest on mytt a few years back. Can anyone guess the ratings of this opponent? I have another two but I will just keep those one for another time when the match is really in the rear view.

This is somewhere in the middle of the match, and some footage is lost, but hopefully what is presented is short enough for players to get a good idea of the playing levels (and of course, you have information). This one is for @Gozo Aruna , who might be wondering whether and how one spins to pips...

 

[Der_Echte]

Dude might get to and briefly hold a 1500 level in California.

 

[banbekas]

Since I know nothing about rating, I'd assume that the opponent is abour 1600-1700.

 

[NextLevel]

You are being disrespectful! That was an Aruna Q. level loop. It was meant to be an unreturnable shot. Hence, for me, I'll just enjoy spectating that loop.


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That is until I learn how to counter-loop in some distance future.

Counterlooping is a broad term, even though it is topspin, especially a drive topspin, for most players, you can smash if you are consistent doing that. I have seen some players do it, but a lot of it comes down to few things, most importantly, what works for you. But smashing backspin consistently with inverted is hard if you are not a penholder so learning to loop backspin tends to be necessary. But topspin, not so much, that is more about preference and what works for your game.

 

[NextLevel]

Dude might get to and briefly hold a 1500 level in California.

Since I know nothing about rating, I'd assume that the opponent is abour 1600-1700.

The player is 1800-1900. It shows how different a player can look when you are confident rallying with and attacking the pips ball (he uses Grass D Tecs on backhand) vs when you hesitate against it and make repeated mistakes.

 

[Takkyu_wa_inochi]

there is a very good player from Malaysia playing in Tokyo tournaments called Poon. do you know him @gozo ?
i heard (don't know if its true) that he used to play in the National Team.

 

[Der_Echte]

The player is 1800-1900. It shows how different a player can look when you are confident rallying with and attacking the pips ball (he uses Grass D Tecs on backhand) vs when you hesitate against it and make repeated mistakes.

Yup, that would be where I rate him for east coast.

If you 1800 or 1900 on east coast, then do 5-10 tourneys in bay area or LA, you quickly or slowly move to 1500 here.

I am rated 1600 here and play a gazillion better than when I was on east coast rated 1900+.

I am the poster child for this drop hundred on Cali rating syndrome, no bad intent to the player in NL's vid, he just wouldn't be much over 1500 here.

 

[NextLevel]

Yup, that would be where I rate him for east coast.

If you 1800 or 1900 on east coast, then do 5-10 tourneys in bay area or LA, you quickly or slowly move to 1500 here.

I am rated 1600 here and play a gazillion better than when I was on east coast rated 1900+.

I am the poster child for this drop hundred on Cali rating syndrome, no bad intent to the player in NL's vid, he just wouldn't be much over 1500 here.

Not sure whether he is from the East coast (he is from GA but has ties to AZ). If he isn't over 1500, it probably just means you live somewhere where players don't play that many tournaments. I know quite a few players who pull that "if I was here, I would be rated X" move and it is never quite what they think it is. What usually happens is that people around them aren't playing enough tournaments or travelling enough.

 

[Der_Echte]

I recently played 2 similar level LP BH pips players here in a Bay Area tourney. These players were playing at a similar level to your LP opponent (one a little less one a little more level) and like you, I didn't give them any chance to get going.

One was 1500, other 1600. The 1600 player would have smashed me out of the court if I didn't attack first (with good setup). The 1500 player would have won the match, but less dramatically, if I didn't attack first.

 

[NextLevel]

I recently played 2 similar level LP BH pips players here in a Bay Area tourney. These players were playing at a similar level to your LP opponent (one a little less one a little more level) and like you, I didn't give them any chance to get going.

One was 1500, other 1600. The 1600 player would have smashed me out of the court if I didn't attack first (with good setup). The 1500 player would have won the match, but less dramatically, if I didn't attack first.

Yes but you know how to play LP, not everyone does. There were players who struggled with those LP players. Juat saying that because I or you don't hesitate against LP doesn't make this true for everyone. While I lost my video footage of the match I played against a 2000 looping monster who beat me 3-2, he lost to an LP lady in close games 3-1. But I made her look just as bad as this guy. Marchups matter. Let's remember that above 2000, because all those players are travelling and playing events, there is no distinction except amongst sandbaggers.

 

[riemsesy]

I played 15 matches, recorded 14, and lost 8 recordings because of a corrupted disk. Sucks because I wanted to see some of those points and some of them were against younger opponents that really pushed me.

Here is the first Saturday match where I saved 3 match points in game 3. Sorry, it is pretty long and really needs to be edited, but some day, I guess...

do you vary with your serve or is it almost the same each time?