Daily Table Tennis Chit Chat

[Gozo Zyreruna]

• Today more pips out story.
• Two noobs were playing, so to make things fairer, I partner a noob and another regular player partner another noob in a doubles game. Both the noobs, one uses two side inverted ( Noob A ) whereas the other noob uses long pips on BH ( Noob B ).
• I notice that my Noob A has trouble returning the pips out ball whereas Noob B all she has to do is just stand around hardly moving and just block all incoming ball.
• What is my point you asked? My point is given the same level of skill, a pips out player has an unfair advantage that is purely due to the equipment and not personal skill.
• One has to have a couple of level higher to counteract that pips out effect. So, if the level is basically similar, the pips-out has massive advantage that is purely due to the mechanical effect of the equipment. This is my rant.

 

[ZFT]

Noob vs noob would have been better as the overall spin and speed in their rallies would be lower. LP would be easier to play against.

The spin reversal by advanced player even stable hitting into Noob B (LP) would be very off putting for Noob A (double inverted) to return as they would otherwise never be exposed to this higher level of shot quality.

Your entitlement vibes are high…

 

[Lazer]

Don’t see how that could be unfair. Anybody can choose their equipment…
Instead of whining learn how to play against them..

Cheers
L-zr

 

[NextLevel]

• Today more pips out story.
• Two noobs were playing, so to make things fairer, I partner a noob and another regular player partner another noob in a doubles game. Both the noobs, one uses two side inverted ( Noob A ) whereas the other noob uses long pips on BH ( Noob B ).
• I notice that my Noob A has trouble returning the pips out ball whereas Noob B all she has to do is just stand around hardly moving and just block all incoming ball.
• What is my point you asked? My point is given the same level of skill, a pips out player has an unfair advantage that is purely due to the equipment and not personal skill.
• One has to have a couple of level higher to counteract that pips out effect. So, if the level is basically similar, the pips-out has massive advantage that is purely due to the mechanical effect of the equipment. This is my rant.

Use the pips and see how far that gets you... it's not really about the equipment but about the desire to expose yourself to them and learn them... I was looking at some of my old matches against pips players and it helped me realize why I destroyed most of the pips players I played at NA Teams.

Yes, the pips players take advantage of inexperience, but that is just life. Once you have experience, you need to use some of it to learn how to play pips. The earlier you learn, the better you get as you get better so it actually enables you to beat "better pips players" more easily as you get better because your skill set is more complete for handling spin and they mostly take advantage of inexperience. So if Noob A plays Noob B and learns how to play her, he will become a better player and will beat her more easily as long as they are roughly the same playing level. The only thing that can affect this if she actually learns to attack with the pips and put pressure on him.

Your problem is that you don't know how to hit a shot that the pips player cannot block. There are many ways to do this.

I destroyed a lady using pips that was the same rating as me. She proved this rating was valid by beating players that beat me. So experience playing pips is the key, not overall playing level. And I have seen this scenario at quite a few tournaments or even practice matches I play. A pips player beats someone 3-0, I beat the pips player, but the player they beat is competitive with me in matches. It rarely is about the pips, but just that my first coach made me play against them, while other players often don't want to invest the time.

 

[Tony's Table Tennis]

finish your rant yet Gozo?
now, when you coming to Taiwan.

do you want to be in the boys team or girls team
more pips in the girls team

 

[Tony's Table Tennis]

I thought this shot was lost but my opponent had the footage! I now have something for my grandkids - I know this might not be that impressive to many people but for me, and people who know my health issues, this is the bomb lol!

great cross over there NL
glad you didn't knock out the player on the table to your right.
He had no idea what could of happened lol

 

[yamagata]

Any green rubber that will allow me to perform every possible stroke? I will combine it with one of Stigas Cybershapes…and compete in the lower levels of Swedish leagues.

 

[Der_Echte]

yamagata... ask Aruna. I think a Rasanter would do well.

 

[yamagata]

yamagata... ask Aruna. I think a Rasanter would do well.

gozo? Quadri is way above my level and I will never be able to handle it

 

[Lazer]

gozo? Quadri is way above my level and I will never be able to handle it

That doesn’t necessarily mean you can’t use the same rubber….

Cheers
L-zr

 

[Scarfed Garchomp]

Any green rubber that will allow me to perform every possible stroke? I will combine it with one of Stigas Cybershapes…and compete in the lower levels of Swedish leagues.

Nexxus Superselect and Rasanter R, especially in 45 and 48, are popular green rubbers but they are very fast and reactive rubbers meant for experienced attackers. Hexer Grip (45) is a bit slower and steadier than the equivalent hardness Nexxus and Rasanter rubbers but it is still a bouncy and automatic modern attacking style rubber. Gewo Neoflexx comes in green and is designed more as an allround class rubber in comparison

 

[Der_Echte]

gozo? Quadri is way above my level and I will never be able to handle it

Rasanter is a very well rounded offensive rubber, does all very good, not super exceptional, much like Aurus. I would have recommended Aurus first, but they do not make it in green.

 

[Brs]

* for under 1200 i lost my first match against a guy on a much lower lvl then me.

He was not lower level than you. The sooner you lose this idea the more fun and success you will have at tournaments. There was an objective test and he won it.

He may be lower rated. He may have worse technique. But he played the ball on the table more times than you could. It will be difficult for you to solve the problem if you honestly have no idea why.

 

[Gozo Zyreruna]

finish your rant yet Gozo?
now, when you coming to Taiwan.

do you want to be in the boys team or girls team
more pips in the girls team

No not yet!!!!
So, after my game session ended a couple of player, both are young adult came in to play. They are 100% OB players I can tell. Being completely noob and using only inverted rubber, they were able to hit the ball to and fro, it is quite natural to them, to be honest.

Now, imagine if one of them uses pips out, I guarantee you, it will not be a game of ping and pong anymore but rather a game of bend over pick up ball instead.

Gozo: Still in rant mode!!! 😡🤬🤬

 

[Gozo Zyreruna]

gozo? Quadri is way above my level and I will never be able to handle it

Who me? Everybody here knows I am a Butterfly fanboi!

 

[Takkyu_wa_inochi]

i was in a "pair tournament" yday.
Format was teams of 2 (men) in 4 team league and KO tournament later with 4 draws (for 1st, 2nd, 3rd, 4th)
team match is doubles + singles + singles

We finally finished in the final of KO for 2nd. Im quite happy with my overall performance

Against the team which finished 1st of our group, i played only the doubles and I'm not very happy about this match. but we won the 2 other doubles including 3-0 against a very decent team. (if we didn't close 3-0 i think we'd get in trouble)
in morning singles, i played a young guy who was quite good. good serves, very powerful drive, and agressive BH taking the ball early and countering aiming for all the table. it looked like a disaster losing 5-11 5-11 G1 and G2, but i still believed in myself because there was some good stuff, and i felt i was a bit unlucky and i needed only to focus a bit more and be a little bit more agressive to win, and i also felt i could do well in receiving with my BH. I didn't want to give up as well because the guy was tchooing hard and i wanted to be given the opportunity to tchooo louder than him.

I managed to win G3 11-7. G4 i was up 10-8 but he came back and got 2 match points on HIS serive, but i saved it to win it 13-12 (golden point rule). I really thought i would win it, and in the interval between G5 he really seemed lost and took time to discuss with his teammate. Alas for me it seemed to have broken my momentum, didn't get a good start in G5, and was a bit unlucky early as well. some poor decision making too (made at a critical moment the same serve which he had received perfectly twice earlier in the match). I guess under pressure the better player prevailed 6-11.

a lot of great topspin rallies, i played some really good BH winners down the line. blocking game was consistent. Not there yet but im getting closer to these guys !

in the afternoon, we faced a weak team, won easily both doubles and singles, next match team forfeited, one guy gone home, i played only singles and won. in final, we had some chance to win the doubles grabbing on the edge G1, but my partner had troubles in G2 and G4 against leftie serve. G3 we got to 9-9 but my partner missed his 2 receives under pressure. we were also a bit unlucky in G3. thats life.

i faced the leftie in singles, he had SP on his BH which produced some very odd balls sometimes (but not too often). Very strong serves. in G1 i was lost. but G2 i adjusted a bit and on my serve game i tried not to do obvious serves but watch more his waiting stance. managed to get to 8. But in G3 he increased his level and got only to 5. i had too many problems with his hook serve to my FH. i could open it on the table with decent spin but the ball was not deep enough and he made perfect counter topspin immediately down the line 3 times. Why did i open 3 times to his FH ??? damn !!!!

tough score 0-3.

it was a good experience today. I can see where i need to work more:
- getting back in position after serve more quickly.
- Be more aware of opponent when serving
- receive half-long and long serves to my FH, specifically that leftie hook serve.

Lastly, we won a pack of nittaku 3star balls each. so it was a good day

 

[Tony's Table Tennis]

Who me? Everybody here knows I am a Butterfly fanboi!

you an EJ, not fanboi....
your ej virus is mild at the moment, so can't blame you if you not sure about it
you have been slowly changing equipment, thinking equipment is the solution
from historical data, it shows your ej virus will be taking over more and more

 

[riemsesy]

Last Saturday, the women of our table tennis club became National Champions of the Premier Division for the autumn season.

 

[Tony's Table Tennis]

Last Saturday, the women of our table tennis club became National Champions of the Premier Division for the autumn season.

congrats!

How is the league level there for womens - how would you rate say the women league among other European womens leagues, in terms of how strong the players/clubs are?

 

[Tony's Table Tennis]

No not yet!!!!
So, after my game session ended a couple of player, both are young adult came in to play. They are 100% OB players I can tell. Being completely noob and using only inverted rubber, they were able to hit the ball to and fro, it is quite natural to them, to be honest.

Now, imagine if one of them uses pips out, I guarantee you, it will not be a game of ping and pong anymore but rather a game of bend over pick up ball instead.

Gozo: Still in rant mode!!! 😡🤬🤬

the real issue is the lack of understanding of spin.
without solving this issue, you will have spin (or no spin) issue forever.

even someone who user inverted rubbers can trick you with your reading ability of spin.

Reading the spin is the first step
then next, we can talk about how to handle the spin