Damien Éloi: Are the top players’ rubbers different?

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1 star bat and D09C/H3 personal, is difference in technology.
do you agree?

Difference between 1 star bat and D09C much bigger then rubber from store and personal.
Nobody was saying pro players should play with 1 star bat. Why you even bring this?
But if you give to Ma Long same racket Timo has Ma will win. Do you agree?
I saw once in super league something happened to his racket and he was using Liu Dingshuo racket.
It was Yinhe blade, not even W968. It wasn't tuned to Ma Long. He still beat everybody.
 
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Pretty sure basketball balls are the ones you can buy in a store even in pro games. Or footballs. These analogies doesn't give anything.
Tiger might be picky but John Daly was drunk all the time...
Only on single malts at least 20 years old and ripened in northern oak barrels 😂
 
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Difference between 1 star bat and D09C much bigger then rubber from store and personal.
Nobody was saying pro players should play with 1 star bat. Why you even bring this?
1 star vs technology in table tennis is the same as
golf - Tiger Wood's customized clubs vs retail avg joe version
or wetsuit in swimming versus what you wear when you swim.

You need to understand that for the past decades, there has been technology improvements to aid players to be more complete This doesn't take away the players weaknesses, but aiding does make a big difference.
Especially how Blue Ribbon shoes was selling more advanced running shoes than what was available in the USA and gave them a platform to become Nike of today.

Give you Fan Siqi for example.
She has specific blades and rubbers made for her. She has her way of prepping the setup.
She has a bond with such setup.

any minor differences will actually cause inconsistency in the quality of her balls.
Now with table tennis, this is a rare sport where minor inconsistency for the pros, is actually a big deal.

So, if you really serious to learn of table tennis equipment - you need to get off denying this and know that equipment does matter for the elite and that the Butterfly Pro players do get special made rubbers sent to them. They do not just order off TT11 or any retail shop.

I still remember LYJ's first batch of blades for him to sample, he approved 2 of the 50, and that was only the first round of "tweaking".
I watched a story when Tiger Woods was evaluating a new club from Nike. He was given 3 clubs that were supposedly the same and he said one was like 1/2 degree off. The manufacturer guys were stunned. He was so sensitive he could pick it out after hitting like 5 balls.
Tiger Wood can tell the 1/2 degree off.
so can LYJ or Fan Siqi on their gears.
Same thing when the technique is in your hands.

The players actually spend a lot of effort to bond with they equipment.

Another example, Chen Chien-An tried for a long time with Tibhar customized rubbers with his Butterfly blade badge to Tibhar (he had to provide the blades himself, at 10 at a time, sent to Tibhar to put on the Tibhar handle). The Tibhar rubbers at that time didn't work for him, and for the sake of winning, he used Butterfly rubbers and rather paid fines for breaching his contract.

Dima used H3 National and played way worse - even though the likes of Apolonia told me he tried Dima's racket that time and the spin on the serve was unbelievable.

and with the Victas test, I was just standing behind the player with the 2 coaches and discussing the way each rubbers arc differently (without knowing the spec). Then I asked the Victas ESN engineer for the specs, and from there, we knew what direction we had to go. This even included the engineer telling us on how to glue differently for different results.

Equipment is way more complicated and important for the players than you think.
and with company's knowing this, they will want to do everything they can to aid the player representing them.
 
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1 star vs technology in table tennis is the same as
golf - Tiger Wood's customized clubs vs retail avg joe version
or wetsuit in swimming versus what you wear when you swim.

You need to understand that for the past decades, there has been technology improvements to aid players to be more complete This doesn't take away the players weaknesses, but aiding does make a big difference.
Especially how Blue Ribbon shoes was selling more advanced running shoes than what was available in the USA and gave them a platform to become Nike of today.

Give you Fan Siqi for example.
She has specific blades and rubbers made for her. She has her way of prepping the setup.
She has a bond with such setup.

any minor differences will actually cause inconsistency in the quality of her balls.
Now with table tennis, this is a rare sport where minor inconsistency for the pros, is actually a big deal.

So, if you really serious to learn of table tennis equipment - you need to get off denying this and know that equipment does matter for the elite and that the Butterfly Pro players do get special made rubbers sent to them. They do not just order off TT11 or any retail shop.

I still remember LYJ's first batch of blades for him to sample, he approved 2 of the 50, and that was only the first round of "tweaking".

Tiger Wood can tell the 1/2 degree off.
so can LYJ or Fan Siqi on their gears.
Same thing when the technique is in your hands.

The players actually spend a lot of effort to bond with they equipment.

Another example, Chen Chien-An tried for a long time with Tibhar customized rubbers with his Butterfly blade badge to Tibhar (he had to provide the blades himself, at 10 at a time, sent to Tibhar to put on the Tibhar handle). The Tibhar rubbers at that time didn't work for him, and for the sake of winning, he used Butterfly rubbers and rather paid fines for breaching his contract.

Dima used H3 National and played way worse - even though the likes of Apolonia told me he tried Dima's racket that time and the spin on the serve was unbelievable.

and with the Victas test, I was just standing behind the player with the 2 coaches and discussing the way each rubbers arc differently (without knowing the spec). Then I asked the Victas ESN engineer for the specs, and from there, we knew what direction we had to go. This even included the engineer telling us on how to glue differently for different results.

Equipment is way more complicated and important for the players than you think.
and with company's knowing this, they will want to do everything they can to aid the player representing them.
In support of this argument, I heard a superstar uses rubbers thicker than those commercially available after consultation with his brand. You can get the sponge hardness commercially but his rubber thickness you can't. Makes you think lol.
 
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1 star vs technology in table tennis is the same as
golf - Tiger Wood's customized clubs vs retail avg joe version
or wetsuit in swimming versus what you wear when you swim.

You need to understand that for the past decades, there has been technology improvements to aid players to be more complete This doesn't take away the players weaknesses, but aiding does make a big difference.
Especially how Blue Ribbon shoes was selling more advanced running shoes than what was available in the USA and gave them a platform to become Nike of today.

Give you Fan Siqi for example.
She has specific blades and rubbers made for her. She has her way of prepping the setup.
She has a bond with such setup.

any minor differences will actually cause inconsistency in the quality of her balls.
Now with table tennis, this is a rare sport where minor inconsistency for the pros, is actually a big deal.

So, if you really serious to learn of table tennis equipment - you need to get off denying this and know that equipment does matter for the elite and that the Butterfly Pro players do get special made rubbers sent to them. They do not just order off TT11 or any retail shop.

I still remember LYJ's first batch of blades for him to sample, he approved 2 of the 50, and that was only the first round of "tweaking".

Tiger Wood can tell the 1/2 degree off.
so can LYJ or Fan Siqi on their gears.
Same thing when the technique is in your hands.

The players actually spend a lot of effort to bond with they equipment.

Another example, Chen Chien-An tried for a long time with Tibhar customized rubbers with his Butterfly blade badge to Tibhar (he had to provide the blades himself, at 10 at a time, sent to Tibhar to put on the Tibhar handle). The Tibhar rubbers at that time didn't work for him, and for the sake of winning, he used Butterfly rubbers and rather paid fines for breaching his contract.

Dima used H3 National and played way worse - even though the likes of Apolonia told me he tried Dima's racket that time and the spin on the serve was unbelievable.

and with the Victas test, I was just standing behind the player with the 2 coaches and discussing the way each rubbers arc differently (without knowing the spec). Then I asked the Victas ESN engineer for the specs, and from there, we knew what direction we had to go. This even included the engineer telling us on how to glue differently for different results.

Equipment is way more complicated and important for the players than you think.
and with company's knowing this, they will want to do everything they can to aid the player representing them.


Sorry not familiar who is Tiger Wood, Fan Sigi and not familiar with Blue Ribbon story.

I have another question. Lets say all TT brands cancel this tuning services and don't make anymore personal blades and rubbers so all elite players should buy from store. They wont be able to play? I really don't understand is rubbers we use so bad so even pro players who train 10 hours every day from age 5 not able to use this rubbers?
 
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Sorry not familiar who is Tiger Wood, Fan Sigi and not familiar with Blue Ribbon story.

I have another question. Lets say all TT brands cancel this tuning services and don't make anymore personal blades and rubbers so all elite players should buy from store. They wont be able to play? I really don't understand is rubbers we use so bad so even pro players who train 10 hours every day from age 5 not able to use this rubbers?
what ever problem you have with knowledge is your issue.
the world will continue to turn and companies will continue to do their best to provide the most suited equipment for the players.
 
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In support of this argument, I heard a superstar uses rubbers thicker than those commercially available after consultation with his brand. You can get the sponge hardness commercially but his rubber thickness you can't. Makes you think lol.
speaking about this
Timo Boll said the new rubbers are like toys
while some other players are loving it
and some will wait and see
 
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Sorry not familiar who is Tiger Wood, Fan Sigi and not familiar with Blue Ribbon story.
Alright. So it's pretty clear by now you have zero interest in learning. Why are you even trying to participate in a discussion when there is no effort from your side to understand the arguments and ideas of others?
I have another question. Lets say all TT brands cancel this tuning services and don't make anymore personal blades and rubbers so all elite players should buy from store. They wont be able to play? I really don't understand is rubbers we use so bad so even pro players who train 10 hours every day from age 5 not able to use this rubbers?
No. The best players will adapt.
 
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Soccer player? Is everybody in world knows who is Tiger Wood? You will be surprised but not everybody like golf
I don’t like golf and am not the slight bit interested in it, yet I know who Tiger Woods is. You don’t have to know everything but there is some expectation you know the most famous players of sport (know who Lebron James or Michael Jordan is?)
 
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I don’t like golf and am not the slight bit interested in it, yet I know who Tiger Woods is. You don’t have to know everything but there is some expectation you know the most famous players of sport (know who Lebron James or Michael Jordan is?)
And even then there's Google...

(sorry, I don't know what Google is?)
 
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I don’t like golf and am not the slight bit interested in it, yet I know who Tiger Woods is. You don’t have to know everything but there is some expectation you know the most famous players of sport (know who Lebron James or Michael Jordan is?)

Don't know who is Lebron, Jordan I know. Maybe Lebron and Tiger not enough famous ))
 
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of course I can Google it but I don't think joshmak10 tested my computer skills
which century are you born - I think we need to ask the right question first
then we can move over to google and something more recent - chatgpt lol
 
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which century are you born - I think we need to ask the right question first
then we can move over to google and something more recent - chatgpt lol
He’s a time traveller from the 1700s.
 
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Don't know who is Lebron, Jordan I know. Maybe Lebron and Tiger not enough famous ))
Lebron not famous might be the funniest thing I heard all day
 
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Lebron not famous might be the funniest thing I heard all day
Lebron James is probably the biggest news the past 10 years (other than the Messi-Ronaldo debate)
and Tiger Woods the 10 years prior.
and you don't even need to know golf to know who he is.

if you are into sports, you would know his name and that he is one of the highest all time earning sport star - just behind Michael Jordan. Tiger Woods is way too big for any one in the sporting world to not know and for all the others - his scandals probably made sure everyone knows who he is, except for time travelers.

I just check
MJ has 3 billion and Tiger is around 2.79 billion career earnings
both Messi and Ronaldo is only around 1.5-1.6 billion
 
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That's what I was thinking too, at first, but then again Ionescus (former) longtime teammate Daniel Habesohn is even older and of similar playing strength, and he is still being sponsored by Joola, so it can't be age alone.
Both Ionesu and Habesohn are still 1. Bundesliga players. It's a bit baffling that one has a reliable sponsor who apparently still believes in him and the other doesn't. Perhaps Ionesu now enjoys playing whatever kind of material he wants to.
Fact is Joola is trailing the other brands, so they have to sponsor a name in Europe, Habesohn being a regular in the WTT and ITTF competitions, he gets a sponsorship. Also, There's no much austrian left between him and Robert Gardos. Ovidiu Ionescu has to face a younger and talented generation of boys being already better than he is like Iulian Chirita or Eduard Ionescu. Some others like Rares Sipos make good performances in big european leagues (french Pro B champion this year will play the Pro A) and are also younger.

I mean, everyone knows it's now mainly the BTY/Tibhar/DHS/Andro/Donic/Stiga territory in TT. Joola has lost a lot since the beginning of the tensor era in the 2000's, they've not been able to adapt to this new market soon enough.
 
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