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Dear fellow EJs, should I buy tibhar MK carbon that is on sale this week or should I wait for the VS unlimited to be on sale?

I've always wanted to try an outer carbon with limba external ply (as I strongly prefer Limba to Koto usually), which would mean wait for the VS or a similar blade to be on sale.

What are other outers with limba external ply that you have used and liked? I have also put my eyes on the OSP Martin AC which looks sooooo good and very much what I want.

On the other hand I've always wanted to throughly try that viscaria-like base that is so popular, and MK carbon just looks cooler than Viscaria, and I just plainly prefer any blade that is not Butterfly, so I could buy that and then just get the Martin AC instead of waiting for the VS unlimited to be on sale. (Even if it costs double the amount and there are no sales)

Oh my oh my what to do.
 
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Gozo Z is eager to chime in but then this is a non butterfly inquiry. He retreats back to his butterfly themed bedroom and continue his sleep on his butterfly bedsheet and pillowcase.
 
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I have the same problem 🙂 Last week I wanted to buy the Acoustic Carbon G-Revision, but they didn't have it in my preferred weight (I prefer lighter blades).
I've read that both Acoustic Carbon and MK Carbon are great options for playing close to the table, whihc is my style.
I think I'll go for MK Carbon (If they get my preferred weight).
 
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I’ve tried the MK carbon a little bit because my friend had it. It was okay to me, it felt slower than my Vis while both felt similar in terms of spin level. Control is pretty good too. I think it’s worth a try, I’m just a sucker for Viscaria-type blades though
 
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Dear fellow EJs, should I buy tibhar MK carbon that is on sale this week or should I wait for the VS unlimited to be on sale? ... Oh my oh my what to do.

Maybe ask e.g. @SDC https://www.sdcttblades.com/ or @Wakkibatty https://www.wakkibat.com/ for a fully custom blade or custom order from Nexy https://www.nexy.com/doc/ket_frature.php

VS Unlimited and MK Carbon behave and feel very differently https://ttgearlab.com/2024/03/15/performance-indices-db-outer-fiber-blades/
 
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If you truly are an EJ you already know what is going to happen. You will buy the MK Carbon and as soon as you've glued rubbers on it you'll start looking for the best deal on a VS Unlimited. Thats just how it goes and there is no stopping it! ;)
May I just hijack, or perhaps broaden, this thread and ask the same question I asked in a purely MK Carbon related thread - how is the balance of MK Carbon compared to famous Butterfly models? More or less head heavy? And how are the handles? Thick or thin?
 
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Maybe ask e.g. @SDC https://www.sdcttblades.com/ or @Wakkibatty https://www.wakkibat.com/ for a fully custom blade or custom order from Nexy https://www.nexy.com/doc/ket_frature.php

VS Unlimited and MK Carbon behave and feel very differently https://ttgearlab.com/2024/03/15/performance-indices-db-outer-fiber-blades/
Indeed I have written a mail to @SDC 10 days ago and I am waiting for him to answer and give me a number :ROFLMAO: .

I know they do behave and feel differently, which is what I am curious to try, as I am really not well versed in outer fibers blade.
How can you call yourself an EJ when you do not BUY THEM ALL? 😆
If you truly are an EJ you already know what is going to happen. You will buy the MK Carbon and as soon as you've glued rubbers on it you'll start looking for the best deal on a VS Unlimited. Thats just how it goes and there is no stopping it! ;)
May I just hijack, or perhaps broaden, this thread and ask the same question I asked in a purely MK Carbon related thread - how is the balance of MK Carbon compared to famous Butterfly models? More or less head heavy? And how are the handles? Thick or thin?
Hahaha yes yes I am trying to resist my urges, because I am actually very happy with my W968 and it is just curiosity and the EJ bug that are pushing me. But I am getting a Wang Chuqin blade next month to try and I think I would like to save my money for the OSP Martin AC Off that is calling on me despite its steep price.

Mk carbon just looks cool to have but I may wait until I find a second handed one, because I actually know that I don't like too much the feeling of Viscarias type blade (I have tried Viscaria for some minutes but never throughly as it doesn't really speak to me when I use one).

Victas or Acoustic outer option also sound very interesting and I'll give it a go when I find on sale or a second hand occasion!
 
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Dear fellow EJs, should I buy tibhar MK carbon that is on sale this week or should I wait for the VS unlimited to be on sale?

I've always wanted to try an outer carbon with limba external ply (as I strongly prefer Limba to Koto usually), which would mean wait for the VS or a similar blade to be on sale.

What are other outers with limba external ply that you have used and liked? I have also put my eyes on the OSP Martin AC which looks sooooo good and very much what I want.

On the other hand I've always wanted to throughly try that viscaria-like base that is so popular, and MK carbon just looks cooler than Viscaria, and I just plainly prefer any blade that is not Butterfly, so I could buy that and then just get the Martin AC instead of waiting for the VS unlimited to be on sale. (Even if it costs double the amount and there are no sales)

Oh my oh my what to do.
- Stiga Destiny Carbon for something a bit more controllable
Something fast:
- Stiga Carbonado 145/190, 245/290

All these blades are outer carbon with limba top
 
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How can you call yourself an EJ when you do not BUY THEM ALL? 😆
My thought exactly. It is like a Junky asking the other Junky: " Should I or should I not" ?? Or should i take Heroin or Cocaine ??
It does not matter at all, the real question for any Junky is : "Which one first" ? and this can be simply solved with a coin toss. 😁
 
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For aggressive topspin play close to the table, the VICTAS ZX GEAR-OUT is excellent. It feels more comfortable (softer) and more precise than most other carbon outer blades.
I checked TTGearLab and other reviews and it seems like a good option, but it might be a bit too soft for my liking. My play style is similar to Mima Ito, using pips/anti on BH, so I prefer slightly harder blades.
I'm playing with Joola KLC Santoru Outer, which is surprisingly a good blade, but I'm looking for something just a bit faster (or myabe I'll just change my Fh rubber H8).
 
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I checked TTGearLab and other reviews and it seems like a good option, but it might be a bit too soft for my liking. My play style is similar to Mima Ito, using pips/anti on BH, so I prefer slightly harder blades.
I'm playing with Joola KLC Santoru Outer, which is surprisingly a good blade, but I'm looking for something just a bit faster (or myabe I'll just change my Fh rubber H8).

Yes, if you’re playing with pips/anti on BH, the ZX-GEAR OUT will probably hold onto the ball too much when you hit hard.
 
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Maybe ask e.g. @SDC https://www.sdcttblades.com/ or @Wakkibatty https://www.wakkibat.com/ for a fully custom blade or custom order from Nexy https://www.nexy.com/doc/ket_frature.php

VS Unlimited and MK Carbon behave and feel very differently https://ttgearlab.com/2024/03/15/performance-indices-db-outer-fiber-blades/

Somebody call? 🙂

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Ahhh okay, outer carbon Limba blades.

Hmm-- okay... I'm probably going to cost myself a sale here, but so be it. 🤨

While I make plenty of outer carbon composite blades, and have used limba on many occasions in the past, to be brutally honest I really don't use limba anymore -- same for koto, black walnut, rosewood, and all the usual TT Woods you see used elsewhere.

Australian native timbers are really my thing and have been for years. I see no reason to going back to using traditional TT Woods, as frankly there's no point. I can't do anything new or different with a Limba outer carbon blade, that hasn't already been done over and over ad infinitum by dozens of larger makers over the last 20+ years.

My range of blades is very diverse and they often a lot in their behaviour, but one thing they all share in common is that they are all about the wood, not the carbon.

To make their blades, larger brands like Butterfly typically use only a few wood species, but employ numerous different types or styles of carbon to create different playing properties. This is done for commercial reasons, as its an approach that suits mass manufacturing the best. This is also why all their research is focussed towards exploring different applications of modern composites.

I however do the exact opposite. I use only a few select types of composite fabric, but a massively wide variety of different species of wood. I also spend enormous amounts of time every year researching and testing the mechanical properties of different Australian timber species in general. Given that well over 20,000 different natove Aussie species exist, it's a process I'll probably never fully complete in my lifetime.

Embracing a very wood-centric playing feel is really my thing with my blades, but I also do this very selectively. I want to avoid all the usual negatives that come with all-wood blades, while still retaining all the very best bits of modern composite designs.

To explain what i mean, take Queensland maple for example -- it's a gorgeous australian native timber that's virtually identical in softness, spin, playing feel and weight to limba. Typically I use it whenever limba is normally called for in a blade recipe.

Queensland maple however (like so many other Australian native species) is also significantly stiffer in veneer format than limba. It also has far greater porosity. Limba outers have lots of moderately large pores to them, whereas Qu. Maple has thousands of smaller pores. Extra pores helps give timber a greater spin potential through increasing dwell time.

Qu. Maple's extra stiffness in a blade means I can get away with using a softer flexier class of composite fabrics. I don't have to make the same sorts of tradeoffs between hardness and spin/power that you get with standard outer'carbon blades.

As Qu. Maple as an outer layer provides superior stiffness to limba, I can therefore use a softer and slightly more flexible type of composite fabric in my blades. Limba and koto really aren't very strong in veneer format, so you need stronger composite materis to support them. Australian equivalents have greater strength, so I can get away with using different composites entirely (therefore no hard carbon feel).

Best of all, many Australian woods are genuine odd-ball, 'wierdo' timbers from an evolutionary standpoint. This sometimes allows me to access mechanical properties and playing features with my blades that you simply cannot achieve with 'normal' table tennis timber (I chose my business name for a reason y'know! 🤣🤣).

I find with this approach, there's a lot less compromise involved for me in making a blade. I still get all the same levels of spin and control as I would have gotten with limba outers, and I still keep all the same stiffness and power of a regular composite blade. But I DON'T however also have to put up with the typical hard, dead playing feel you get with ALC or other similar outer carbon fabrics. It lets my blades keep more of that sexy, softer, all-wood playing feel and natural flex I'm chasing, and they feel far more alive in your hands as a result.

Long story short, If you're the type of player that wants a genuine, all-wood-like playing feel, while still retaining all the hitting power and speed of a composite blade, then one of my blades might be right up your alley.

If however you prefer the more common outer-carbon + Limba feel, where limba's softness is largely tempered by a hard crisp carbon or ALC bed located under the outer layers, then one of my blades is not the one to go for.
 
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