Different Hurricane results based on boosting procedure

[dingyibvs]

You’re the one mixing oxidation with stretched topsheet, so I don’t understand why you turn it the other way around now
First you assume that my stretched rubbers which have similar topsheet look as the other pictures I posted, are oxidated and not stretched after a 48 hour boosting period (which already is wild) then you refuse to see that the professional rubbers have way more visible pimpes and a more grippy surface than sticky, then you backtrack and say yes the pros are tensioned and stretched and compare it back to oxidation?

Please stop just with the nonsense arguing, if you’re indenial that the 3 rubbers I boosted the exact same way have a stretched topsheet just like the images from the professionals, keep it to yourself, you’re being obnoxious for no reason

You said in your very first post, before anyone had replied that "Basically by removing the protective film before boosting you allow the topsheet to stretch a lot more with the sponge, which creates a lot more tension and also turns the sticky topsheet into a more grippy surface." You're making an association between stretch/tension and tackiness or lack thereof. That's the point I and others are contesting.

I never said your rubbers are not stretched. I said the lack of tack may be due to oxidation or DHS's variance, and not due to the stretching. Again, I am and was always disputing your association between stretching and tackiness. Your rubbers are definitively stretched/tensioned, as are the pros', I never disputed that.

 

[Tyce]

I don't think you understand,

I hope you are trolling

I have gotten the memo that you want to be indenial,

You clearly do not want to understand

so if you have nothing better than to keep being difficult

You’re the one mixing oxidation with stretched topsheet,

Please stop just with the nonsense arguing, if you’re indenial that the 3 rubbers I boosted the exact same way have a stretched topsheet just like the images from the professionals, keep it to yourself, you’re being obnoxious for no reason

@Yxoons there's a lot of fingerpointing and hostility going on here when people are just asking questions. If you're really interested in getting interaction here, perhaps a little shift in attitude could be helpful.

 

[Yxoons]

@Yxoons there's a lot of fingerpointing and hostility going on here when people are just asking questions. If you're really interested in getting interaction here, perhaps a little shift in attitude could be helpful.

I’m fingerpointing? I’m replying to shifts in projections made on wrong assumptions and indenial, if anything the ones who are stubborn and indenial are the hostile ones since they simply refuse to read the post or my comments, and keep running around the rosy to argue. None of the ones making projections or the ones being indenial have even added their own results with procedure to the post, they’ve just arguing nonsense, while I have to repeat the same replies.

You’re being a part of that yourself now, quoting all my replies to indenial while ignoring everyone else who simply refuse to accept this post, if anything you’re fingerpointing..

 

[Tyce]

"I'm not fingerpointing, you're fingerpointing!"

People are just asking questions and being critical about your hypothesis, which to be honest is a pretty thin and unbased one. If you can't take criticism and doubt without reacting like you're under attack, then the only good reason for making such a topic as this is if you want to be hostile.

 

[Yxoons]

"I'm not fingerpointing, you're fingerpointing!"

People are just asking questions and being critical about your hypothesis, which to be honest is a pretty thin and unbased one. If you can't take criticism and doubt without reacting like you're under attack, then the only good reason for making such a topic as this is if you want to be hostile.

There's a very big difference of being critical and being indenial

I don't mind people being critical, especially because there are no other post on this, but when I then respond and explain, multiple times, in a row, and their projections shifts and they contradict themselves to match their agenda to be argumentative and refuse to understand that oxidation nor quality control had no play in my 3 boosts which resulted highly tensioned and stretched topsheet unlike the one where I did a different procedure, I don't know what else you expect than me thinking people are trolling or being difficult on purpose

I even told user to stop arguing if he wants to be indenial as it's pointless, yet you bring it back up to be hostile yourself

What have you added to this post yourself, other than being hostile and trying to defend a fellow 1% commenter?

 

[Tyce]

There's a very big difference of being critical and being indenial

There is, and so far the posts have been critical. If someone fails to understand your point, that could just as well be a problem in your presentation as it can be a problem in interpreting it.

I don't mind people being critical, especially because there are no other post on this, but when I then respond and explain, multiple times, in a row, and their projections shifts and they contradict themselves to match their agenda to be argumentative and refuse to understand that oxidation nor quality control had no play in my 3 boosts which resulted highly tensioned and stretched topsheet unlike the one where I did a different procedure, I don't know what else you expect than me thinking people are trolling or being difficult on purpose

Maybe it would be helpful if you were trying to understand why they are saying these things?

Because quality control is absolutely a think, and there is no way to rule it out because you show a few pictures of cut sheets. It's impossible to tell whether these are even National sheets, and even then, there are differences from sheet to sheet. Quality control is not a weird thing to bring up, yet you make it out to be the stupidest idea and don't even attempt to make a constructive counterpoint.

As for your point about stretching or not stretching the top sheet based on leaving the protection foil on, they have expressed that they understand that part just fine.

I even told user to stop arguing if he wants to be indenial as it's pointless, yet you bring it back up to be hostile yourself

Do you think it's helpful to tell someone to stop arguing in a thread, when they are trying to converse with you and attempting to understand why you are so adamant about your points yet unwilling to provide evidence or engage into critical conversation?

What have you added to this post yourself, other than being hostile and trying to defend a fellow 1% commenter?

Is it that weird that I'm defending someone who has proven time and again to bring useful information to these forums, against someone who has not? The majority of your posts so far consist of sales thread bumps and calling people obnoxious. How does that reflect on you?

 

[Yxoons]

There is, and so far the posts have been critical. If someone fails to understand your point, that could just as well be a problem in your presentation as it can be a problem in interpreting it.

Maybe it would be helpful if you were trying to understand why they are saying these things?

Because quality control is absolutely a think, and there is no way to rule it out because you show a few pictures of cut sheets. It's impossible to tell whether these are even National sheets, and even then, there are differences from sheet to sheet. Quality control is not a weird thing to bring up, yet you make it out to be the stupidest idea and don't even attempt to make a constructive counterpoint.

As for your point about stretching or not stretching the top sheet based on leaving the protection foil on, they have expressed that they understand that part just fine.

Do you think it's helpful to tell someone to stop arguing in a thread, when they are trying to converse with you and attempting to understand why you are so adamant about your points yet unwilling to provide evidence or engage into critical conversation?



Is it that weird that I'm defending someone who has proven time and again to bring useful information to these forums, against someone who has not? The majority of your posts so far consist of sales thread bumps and calling people obnoxious. How does that reflect on you?

Posts have been far from critical, but rather ignorant and indenial

I already mentioned all sheets have been national and addressed quality control

Both rubbers below H3N National BS

It is but only slightly, it was sticky like left before boosting

I don't think you understand, I know quality control can affect tackiness, but both rubbers were just as tacky/sticky before boosting.

while all had the same tacky starting point.

but I am telling you that these are tensioned completely different, for what is the same starting point, different procedure.

But I guess you didn't read those and went straight to defend the 1% commenter club, since you bring it up as well. If you want to be critical of the post you could at least read the evidence put? Being indenial after all the quotes above, shows that someone is not just being critical, and is instead just being argumentative for no reason and trying to "school" someone because they think they know better.

Also God forbid new people joining the forum, and having limited threads as well as following the rule set for sale posts but if you checked you're wrong in that as well

Edit: The fact that you even bring this part up again, only more so proves that you either haven't read the post, or you make wrongful assumptions against facts again..

Because quality control is absolutely a think, and there is no way to rule it out because you show a few pictures of cut sheets. It's impossible to tell whether these are even National sheets, and even then, there are differences from sheet to sheet. Quality control is not a weird thing to bring up, yet you make it out to be the stupidest idea and don't even attempt to make a constructive counterpoint.

 

[Tyce]

Oh well, I tried. Time to add another brick wall to the ignore list.

If anyone else is interested, here's the link to do so

https://www.tabletennisdaily.com/forum/members/yxoons.157015/ignore

 

[Yxoons]

Oh well, I tried. Time to add another brick wall to the ignore list.

If anyone else is interested, here's the link to do so

https://www.tabletennisdaily.com/forum/members/yxoons.157015/ignore

You can't teach an old dog new tricks, the ignorant veterans strike again

 

[NextLevel]

Seems a lot is going on here, but you all seem to have it under control. I dont boost so I dont understand the nuances of what is going on but I suspect that people think that other are acting in bad faith and I see no evidence of that here so far and no need for anyone to ignore anyone (though they are definitely free to as is it is their prerogative).

Any way we could run a test or experiment to resolve the main contention so it is just a battle of keyboard wills?

 

[NextLevel]

You said in your very first post, before anyone had replied that "Basically by removing the protective film before boosting you allow the topsheet to stretch a lot more with the sponge, which creates a lot more tension and also turns the sticky topsheet into a more grippy surface." You're making an association between stretch/tension and tackiness or lack thereof. That's the point I and others are contesting.

I never said your rubbers are not stretched. I said the lack of tack may be due to oxidation or DHS's variance, and not due to the stretching. Again, I am and was always disputing your association between stretching and tackiness. Your rubbers are definitively stretched/tensioned, as are the pros', I never disputed that.

This looks like a very clear post stating the issue of contention.

 

[kindof99]

Are table tennis players the only ones that write a long paragraph to argue a trivia issue? I am clueless what you guys are arguing about, but I would say you are all so cute for being so serious...