Dignics 05 or Dignics 09c on forehand?

[MatthewAurelius44]

Hello everyone,

I've been playing table tennis for 2 years and have already reached an advanced level. My playing style is offensive at a medium distance from the table. My backhand is very strong, but I'm having issues with my forehand. I use a Xiom Vega Europe, and because it has a soft rubber, I lack the confidence to execute strong drives and smashes. I also feel that my forehand lacks power and spin.

I was initially considering Dignics 05, but I'm concerned that it might be too fast and difficult to control, which could affect my ability to keep the ball on the table. Alternatively, I thought about Dignics 09c. Since it's a sticky rubber, it might help with control and spin, reducing mistakes and boosting my confidence. However, I worry that it may not have enough power for finishing points.

Which rubber would be best suited for my situation?

 

[NextLevel]

You can't go wrong with either. For reference, I use Skyline 3 on forehand, which is a slightly tacky rubber, but when I turn the racket over and loop with Dignics 05, my ball still stays on the table. A lot of the advantage of 09c is in the short game and over the table play, Dignics 05 does these things well but requires a higher level skill to control heavy spin and speed especially sidespin and sidetopspin without letting the ball drift long.

I personally would recommend Dignics 05 unless you have investigated and want to enter the realm of Tacky rubber and hard sponge. But that said, Timo Boll felt anyone at any level could use Dignics 09c and I understand his perspective and agree with his perspective if properly understood.

I don't know your USATT rating but Dignics 09c definitely has more than enough power to finish points. In fact, finishing points is a bit overrated but it is definitely more a function of the blade than the rubber and your blade is more than sufficient.

 

[blahness]

05 is more economical than 09c cause it lasts twice as long. The 09c tackiness doesnt last all that long and then it pretty much becomes a slower 05 anyways.

Both 09c and 05 will allow you to generate very high quality shots from the FH. The real advantage of 09c is in short push and service length control, but it's coz a lot of ppl dont learn the proper technique for short push and length control and dont understand how to rob the ball of its incoming momentum. Once you know that you can also do quality short pushes with D05. But tbh I would recommend using more aggressive receives like sideswipes, deep fast push, flicks, chiquita with D05 to force the topspin rally (if you have a strong BH you would love topspin rallying lol)

 

[Gozo Zyreruna]

Hello everyone,

I've been playing table tennis for 2 years and have already reached an advanced level. My playing style is offensive at a medium distance from the table. My backhand is very strong, but I'm having issues with my forehand. I use a Xiom Vega Europe, and because it has a soft rubber, I lack the confidence to execute strong drives and smashes. I also feel that my forehand lacks power and spin.

I was initially considering Dignics 05, but I'm concerned that it might be too fast and difficult to control, which could affect my ability to keep the ball on the table. Alternatively, I thought about Dignics 09c. Since it's a sticky rubber, it might help with control and spin, reducing mistakes and boosting my confidence. However, I worry that it may not have enough power for finishing points.

Which rubber would be best suited for my situation?

Just switch your Vega to BH & MXP to FH and your problem will be solved.

 

[PaddyPolar]

I recommend 09c of you are willing to tweak your technique a bit. In my opinion, the arc of 09c is much easier to get home, compared to the more linear arc of 05. This is especially true when you go further back from the table. And for your power problem, 09c is only a little slower than 05, so providing enough power would not be a problem.

 

[greenbeanmachine]

No way you won't have enough power with D09c + Viscaria, so that shouldn't be a concern.

D05 is a good choice. If you're worried about it being hard to control, you could try Dignics 80.

Be warned, the throw angle on D09c is very high. I find it very uncomfortable to loop with (but other people really like it). Just be aware of this.

 

[Tony's Table Tennis]

I prefer D09C over D05

 

[NDH]

05 is more economical than 09c cause it lasts twice as long. The 09c tackiness doesnt last all that long and then it pretty much becomes a slower 05 anyways.

What timeframe are you basing this on out of interest?

I switch my D09C and D05 every 6 months (playing on average twice per week).

I reckon I could get another 4-6 months if I was being realistic, with just a very small drop off in rubber performance.

Whilst the D09C loses 80% of the original tackiness, the actual performance from it in play doesn’t change for me.

As to the OP, apologise if this sounds harsh but it’s one of those “if you’ve got to ask, it’s probably not right” type of questions.

D05 is a very fast rubber, and unless you can be consistent, it’s a waste of money.

D09C is more user friendly in my opinion, BUT, it’s a harder rubber than most people will be used to (unless you use Chinese rubbers) and this might not suit some people.

Both are very fast rubbers though.

If you can post a clip of you hitting some forehands, it will massively help the advice you get, as I suspect D05 will be too quick for you at the moment.

 

[TensorBackhand]

Hello everyone,

I've been playing table tennis for 2 years and have already reached an advanced level. My playing style is offensive at a medium distance from the table. My backhand is very strong, but I'm having issues with my forehand. I use a Xiom Vega Europe, and because it has a soft rubber, I lack the confidence to execute strong drives and smashes. I also feel that my forehand lacks power and spin.

I was initially considering Dignics 05, but I'm concerned that it might be too fast and difficult to control, which could affect my ability to keep the ball on the table. Alternatively, I thought about Dignics 09c. Since it's a sticky rubber, it might help with control and spin, reducing mistakes and boosting my confidence. However, I worry that it may not have enough power for finishing points.

Which rubber would be best suited for my situation?

I would go with D09c on fh. I think the lower speed and higher grip makes for more powerful and controlled fh loops.

 

[blahness]

What timeframe are you basing this on out of interest?

I switch my D09C and D05 every 6 months (playing on average twice per week).

I reckon I could get another 4-6 months if I was being realistic, with just a very small drop off in rubber performance.

Whilst the D09C loses 80% of the original tackiness, the actual performance from it in play doesn’t change for me.

As to the OP, apologise if this sounds harsh but it’s one of those “if you’ve got to ask, it’s probably not right” type of questions.

D05 is a very fast rubber, and unless you can be consistent, it’s a waste of money.

D09C is more user friendly in my opinion, BUT, it’s a harder rubber than most people will be used to (unless you use Chinese rubbers) and this might not suit some people.

Both are very fast rubbers though.

If you can post a clip of you hitting some forehands, it will massively help the advice you get, as I suspect D05 will be too quick for you at the moment.

I got almost 1 yr out of my D05's. Like what you said it loses most of its tackiness which will change how it behaves - so there is a bigger difference in feel over its lifetime, and then when you switch to a new sheet then there is this adjustment needed because the old sheets feel too different from the new sheets.

When new, if you bounce a ball onto the 09c rubber it doesnt bounce up much at all - similar to hurricane. After maybe a few months, it does bounce up quite a lot due to this loss in tackiness. Whereas with D05, the bounce stays remarkably consistent between new and old so it is very reliable.

 

[PaddyPolar]

I got almost 1 yr out of my D05's. Like what you said it loses most of its tackiness which will change how it behaves - so there is a bigger difference in feel over its lifetime, and then when you switch to a new sheet then there is this adjustment needed because the old sheets feel too different from the new sheets.

When new, if you bounce a ball onto the 09c rubber it doesnt bounce up much at all - similar to hurricane. After maybe a few months, it does bounce up quite a lot due to this loss in tackiness. Whereas with D05, the bounce stays remarkably consistent between new and old so it is very reliable.

Yeah, i am going 1 year strong with my 05 l, however i reckon my 09c would have lasted 3 months longer than yours. I only changed my 09c 6 months in because i physically broke the rubber. If i hadn't had done that, it would have lasted longer.

 

[disaster3]

D09C had long time ago, do not remember much or maybe my taste and skills changed till now so might be different, but recently was using D05 on Viscaria-like structure blade (Stiga Inspira Plus) and it's perfect fit but.... for BH, I tried it during the training session on FH side but much more like it on the BH (surprisingly, H3Neo on FH on this blade is closer to my preference and when I hate it previously, it's started to change ).
I do not know your level and physical condition but maybe you can think about H3Neo on the FH, starting from OS sponge, then trying BS and from 39deg. Maybe it is not direct answer for you questions but maybe it's worth to think about, taking into account that H3Prov vs Dignics is much more cheaper and even if you will not like it you will not loose so much money but you will like it... then you can stop looking FH for long time

 

[banbekas]

I got almost 1 yr out of my D05's. Like what you said it loses most of its tackiness which will change how it behaves - so there is a bigger difference in feel over its lifetime, and then when you switch to a new sheet then there is this adjustment needed because the old sheets feel too different from the new sheets.

When new, if you bounce a ball onto the 09c rubber it doesnt bounce up much at all - similar to hurricane. After maybe a few months, it does bounce up quite a lot due to this loss in tackiness. Whereas with D05, the bounce stays remarkably consistent between new and old so it is very reliable.

The change in rubber's behavior after losing most of its tack isn't really that big, tbh. Even if you feel the difference, it's mostly on the short game, and even then it's not really that big of a difference where it requires you to tweak your technique.

 

[blahness]

The change in rubber's behavior after losing most of its tack isn't really that big, tbh. Even if you feel the difference, it's mostly on the short game, and even then it's not really that big of a difference where it requires you to tweak your technique.

Short game control (serve/receive) is a huge part of the game though. Also I feel like the D09c sponge actually hardens quickly which makes it even more unplayable like a spinless brick just after like 3-4 months which is annoying af coz it makes it 3 times more expensive than 05 if I had to change it. Before that yeah 09c is pretty amazing.

What I recently did was to use some chinese tackiness enhancer on my 1+yr old D05 and I felt that its performance now even surpasses 09c in terms of spin generation!

 

[MatthewAurelius44]

Hi everyone, I'm an advanced player and I just need to know which is the best butterfly rubber for backhand. very fast, hard and short lasting, these are my preferences for the rubber I look for. Initially I thought about the D05 and the T05H, as they should be fast and tough, but after all, which is the best according to my preferences? I accept other suggestions.

 

[ander999]

D05, at least in my opinion is much better on the bh.

 

[\_Kairos_/]

It's probably the first time ever that I heard/read that someone is specifically looking for a short lasting rubber. I can't really wrap my head around this detail and I have to admit that it's somewhat funny to read. So, it seems that a very fast, hard (and perhaps also high priced rubber) that lasts a really long time is not wanted/desired!?!
One surely could buy some Diggnix 05/09c or some personal H3 Nat. from prott and boost the shyt out of it and therefore make it last only a couple of weeks...but why would I want to do that?

 

[disaster3]

I second this. For me 3-4 months is good enough until I will earn less (despite it is not so much but enough), for me possibility changing rubber to new one every 3-4 months is like ability to breath. I would die from boring if my rubber lasted a year… wtf!?!? This is the cure for EJing, even if it the same one. This prevent me to try anything new (sometimes I’m broken).
something happens in the business…. 1 year lasting rubber… f*ck no!!!

 

[UpSideDownCarl]

Hi everyone, I'm an advanced player and I just need to know which is the best butterfly rubber for backhand. very fast, hard and short lasting, these are my preferences for the rubber I look for. Initially I thought about the D05 and the T05H, as they should be fast and tough, but after all, which is the best according to my preferences? I accept other suggestions.

Something seems off here. And not just what Kairos pointed out which does seem off as well: If you are an advanced player, why would you be asking other people for advice on equipment?

 

[turbozed]

I second this. For me 3-4 months is good enough until I will earn less (despite it is not so much but enough), for me possibility changing rubber to new one every 3-4 months is like ability to breath. I would die from boring if my rubber lasted a year… wtf!?!? This is the cure for EJing, even if it the same one. This prevent me to try anything new (sometimes I’m broken).
something happens in the business…. 1 year lasting rubber… f*ck no!!!

You can still take the rubber off and change it before it's dead.

If a rubber lasts a long time and you change it well before it's dead then you can then sell it or donate it to people.

Even in your exception case for wanting short lived rubbers, the logic breaks down when you think about it.

And that's even ignoring the fact that short lived rubbers change in playing properties on a shorter time frame, which messes with consistency.

The only rational benefit of short lived rubbers is to increase profits of the rubber manufacturers and sellers.