Dignics 09c vs DHS Hurricane 3 Blue versions

[greenbeanmachine]

I want something a little slower and with more control than D05.

If you want something with more control than D05, you should use Hurricane 3. Far more control. D09c can be controlled, but remember: D09c is a tensor rubber just like D05 and many balls will shoot off of it with even a light touch.

 

[joshmak10]

So I tried 09C on my BH and honestly, it doesn’t feel like the arc is too too extreme. Maybe 09C would be better for you OP, but I would still recommend H3 Blue for FH more.

 

[deepanmania]

I would recommend getting a slower blade with those Dignics, or even Glayzer. Since you can use this combo in multiball, where all is given, where the ball will go, how fast, etc., yet you are struggling in a match, that means you have no control over it. Since you are using it in max thickness, it must be so hard to control. It would be better to go slower on the blade, where you can feel the ball. Dignics 09, K3, or Boosted Hurricane won´t solve it. These rubbers don´t forgive mistakes. That's my two cents.

I agreed. I went to an outer carbon blade without a proper technique. But I've practised almost every day with the same blade for more than 10 months now. I tried inner carbon blade xiom ice cream azxi of my friend's. Out of the box, it provides immense control in short and touch games with D05. But I don't wanna spend money on blade again. That's why I'm trying slower rubbers than D05 which provides more control.

 

[deepanmania]

I would venture that if you can do it in training, with robot and multiball etc but not in matches then the rubber is not the problem and you are likely to waste $80 without fixing the issue.
It sounds like your technique and timing let you down under pressure. If this is the case then a new rubber wont help.
Why not invest in recording some training and some matches and then some coaching to fix the issue. You can already do it quite well it seems, it may not take much to bring your training to your matches with the right advice.
Quite often (and I would say particularly at intermediate level when we've reached a plateau) the equipment gets blamed but I've seen sooo many cases (and indeed experienced firsthand) where new equipment makes no difference or even results in a setback as you try to adjust an already flawed technique to cater to another variable.

Just something to consider before dropping dollars on new equipment

Yeah, I'll record some videos in my next training session and post them here.
And anyway I need to change my FH rubber in a month or two. The middle part is losing its grip after 10 months of use.

 

[deepanmania]

I play H3 BS fh and D09C bh. Completely different feel. Both are great forehand rubbers. H3 produces a more direct trajectory that dips at the last moment and kicks forwards and down. 09C has a much higher throw and produces a safer arc that bounces higher; it's easier to block or counter. H3 is slower on soft contact, faster on hard contact. They're both about as spinny as you can get. Both work best with active strokes. Blocking with both is trickier than with something like D05, but 09C is easier than H3. The short game is easier with H3. In general, coming from D05 you'll find the transition to D09C much easier. H3 is much more durable unless you use a lot of booster. The top sheet of 09C, like the few other hybrid rubbers I've tried, wears out very quickly.

Then I guess D09c works for me. D05's low trajectory is a problem for me. And D09c also uses the same topsheet as D05 right? D05 is doing pretty well for me in terms of durability. I just started showing wear and tear signs after 10 months of almost daily use.

 

[deepanmania]

H3 has a lower throw angle than D09c.

I really didn't like D09c, for what it's worth. IMO Tenergy 05 Hard is a better option if you're looking for something more powerful on the forehand, and want to stick with Butterfly.

H3 blue sponge is pretty magical and it will force you to have good technique. It's worth a try. When you make a good loop with H3 it will be much harder to block/counter than a good loop with D09c. The short game is much nicer with H3 as well.

I've never used T05 hard but used normal T05 and didn't like it. It's much different than D05 and it's much trickier to control for me than D05.
It's not about sticking with Butterly but durability-wise Dignics series is far great for me and that grippy top sheet of Dignics, I never felt it on anything else yet.

 

[greenbeanmachine]

Then I guess D09c works for me. D05's low trajectory is a problem for me

That's reasonable. Keep in mind that with sticky rubbers, you can lift the ball, though. If you lift the ball with sticky surface AND have a high throw angle (like D09c), this will send the ball very high.

And D09c also uses the same topsheet as D05 right?

No, the topsheets are very different. D05 is grippy whereas D09c is tacky. Also the pimple structure is different.

I've never used T05 hard but used normal T05 and didn't like it

Yeah me too. I couldn't control T05 at all but I really liked T05 Hard. They're very different rubbers, somehow lol

Dignics series is far great for me and that grippy top sheet of Dignics, I never felt it on anything else yet.

D05 has great durability. D09c is somehow less durable -- for some reason, hybrid rubbers don't last very long. If you want something durable, another good option is Stiga Mantra Pro XH -- it's like D05 but with a harder sponge. But it's not sticky. Is stickiness something you are looking for?

Another thing you could do is replace one D05 with D09c, play with that for a while, and then change the other D05 to H3

 

[Dr Evil]

Then I guess D09c works for me. D05's low trajectory is a problem for me. And D09c also uses the same topsheet as D05 right? D05 is doing pretty well for me in terms of durability. I just started showing wear and tear signs after 10 months of almost daily use.

Different topsheet and different (harder) sponge. The 09c topsheet is slightly tacky; when new it will pick up a ball but won't hold it long. D05 won't do this (though I think it has a very slight tackiness to it as well, enough to pick up dust a lot faster than T05 for example). D05 is the most durable rubber I've ever used by a good margin. D09c is among the least durable rubbers I've ever used because of the topsheet wearing out.

 

[deepanmania]

D05 has great durability. D09c is somehow less durable -- for some reason, hybrid rubbers don't last very long. If you want something durable, another good option is Stiga Mantra Pro XH -- it's like D05 but with a harder sponge. But it's not sticky. Is stickiness something you are looking for?

I'm not looking for stickiness but tacky rubbers produce more arc than a non-tacky one right? I may be wrong. Tacky rubbers produce controlled speed on the touch games rather than a catapult one like D05, that's why. I've checked Timo's review on D09c and he suggested that even beginners and intermediate players can manage D09c, unlike the other Dignics rubbers.

And as for replacing the other D05 with a hard rubber, somehow I don't like hard rubbers on my backhand. I've used DHS 3 neo orange sponge for my backhand, I never liked it. D05 is still better for my BH.

 

[deepanmania]

Different topsheet and different (harder) sponge. The 09c topsheet is slightly tacky; when new it will pick up a ball but won't hold it long. D05 won't do this (though I think it has a very slight tackiness to it as well, enough to pick up dust a lot faster than T05 for example). D05 is the most durable rubber I've ever used by a good margin. D09c is among the least durable rubbers I've ever used because of the topsheet wearing out.

D05 is not tacky, it's just extremely grippy. How long does a D09c last?

 

[greenbeanmachine]

How long does a D09c last?

Maybe 2-4 weeks. Once the topsheet has faded, you can still use it but the quality is like 7/10

I've checked Timo's review on D09c and he suggested that even beginners and intermediate players can manage D09c

Yeah but Timo also said that they should use a very slow blade with it. D09c is slower than D05 but it's still quite a fast rubber. I don't think that many coaches would recommend D09c to a beginner, but I suppose it is conceivable that beginners could learn with it. It's also worth keeping in mind that Timo Boll works for Butterfly and gets paid by them to market their products.

I'm not looking for stickiness but tacky rubbers produce more arc than a non-tacky one right?

That's a difficult question. With tacky rubbers you CAN produce a lot of arc, because you can lift the ball with the stickiness. Heavy spin produces a lot of arc (see: Magnus effect). But that's a different type of arc than the type you get with a high throw angle -- high throw angle means that you hit the ball upwards and gravity causes the arc (instead of the Magnus force).

 

[SleepyMaster]

D05 is not tacky, it's just extremely grippy. How long does a D09c last?

d09c lasts forever it never shrinks, and d05 does. As a fan of a hybrid rubbers I can tell all of them are showing signs of wearing off, but it doesn’t affect the characteristics that much. People are comparing it to tensors like if it has signs of wearing it is almost dead rubber and usually it performance drastically decreases. With hybrids it didn’t work the same way. So amateur player can use a sheet of d09c for about a year or even more even with signs of “wearing”

 

[deepanmania]

d09c lasts forever it never shrinks, and d05 does. As a fan of a hybrid rubbers I can tell all of them are showing signs of wearing off, but it doesn’t affect the characteristics that much. People are comparing it to tensors like if it has signs of wearing it is almost dead rubber and usually it performance drastically decreases. With hybrids it didn’t work the same way. So amateur player can use a sheet of d09c for about a year or even more even with signs of “wearing”

I just saw that you're using G09c, is it good for FH?
I saw many reviews here on G09c, people are calling it trash for having a dead feel. But how is it in an outer carbon blade? Is it that slow?

 

[deepanmania]

Maybe 2-4 weeks. Once the topsheet has faded, you can still use it but the quality is like 7/10

$80 for just 2-4 weeks??

d09c lasts forever it never shrinks, and d05 does. As a fan of a hybrid rubbers I can tell all of them are showing signs of wearing off, but it doesn’t affect the characteristics that much.

Is it still tacky for you after using it for months?

I believe if D09c is not durable then none of the other tacky rubbers are, I'm saying this on experience with D05 alone. 😅

 

[Doralikesmath]

$80 for just 2-4 weeks??


Is it still tacky for you after using it for months?

I believe if D09c is not durable then none of the other tacky rubbers are, I'm saying this with exp with D05 alone. 😅

D09C is still tacky for me after around 180 hours, but I need to boost it to maintain the performance (speed & spin).

 

[SleepyMaster]

$80 for just 2-4 weeks??


Is it still tacky for you after using it for months?

I believe if D09c is not durable then none of the other tacky rubbers are, I'm saying this on experience with D05 alone. 😅

this d09c was about half a year in use - and I hit pretty hard with it, doing multi ball sessions etc. The ball still slightly sticking to it.

It’s is not like 2-4 weeks life span - it’s a lol take to me, people misreading signs of use on a top sheet with it actual behaviour of a rubber. Plus some times they are lack of ability to play with hybrids and their start to blame the rubber on their own technical gaps because of two spots on it🤓.

And by the way d05 and d09c it’s a totally different rubbers in a lot of terms. But they are both good enough and amateurs/recreational players can play with them for about a year - as I told already 😉

 

[Dr Evil]

D05 is not tacky, it's just extremely grippy. How long does a D09c last?

Depends what you mean. For me on forehand 09c lasts at high quality for about 15-20 hours. It remains okay for another 20 hours after which spin quality drops substantially and I have to adjust my shots or the ball flies long. This happens because the grip of the sweet spot wears away; it's doesn't just look worn out, it really is. Of course, YMMV, and you might consider 09c playable for 100 or 1000 hours, but unfortunately that doesn't work for me.

 

[greenbeanmachine]

d09c lasts forever it never shrinks, and d05 does. As a fan of a hybrid rubbers I can tell all of them are showing signs of wearing off, but it doesn’t affect the characteristics that much. People are comparing it to tensors like if it has signs of wearing it is almost dead rubber and usually it performance drastically decreases. With hybrids it didn’t work the same way. So amateur player can use a sheet of d09c for about a year or even more even with signs of “wearing”

Yes you can certainly continue to use D09c for a long time -- it doesn't tear or break or anything. But it's quite different from the performance you get right out of the package and the throw angle is very high. It feels very strange to me.

I saw many reviews here on G09c, people are calling it trash for having a dead feel. But how is it in an outer carbon blade? Is it that slow?

I've never tried it but there's a player at my club who uses G09c on both sides of Viscaria and he manages to hit the ball pretty fast

 

[SleepyMaster]

Yes you can certainly continue to use D09c for a long time -- it doesn't tear or break or anything. But it's quite different from the performance you get right out of the package and the throw angle is very high. It feels very strange to me.

Yeah, I get what you mean. But I don’t have any problem with throw angle of d09c it is always high even out of the box. Plus I so used to it that this kind of throw angle is just felt natural to me

 

[SleepyMaster]

I just saw that you're using G09c, is it good for FH?
I saw many reviews here on G09c, people are calling it trash for having a dead feel. But how is it in an outer carbon blade? Is it that slow?

This is g09c both sides - yes it slower than many rubbers, but more than enough speed if you have some power and technique in your body. But this is not that type of rubber that are doing 50% of a job for you - you should work your ass with it 😄