Dignics 80 best rubber ever? Vs Ternergy 05

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I am looking for a forehand rubber and stumbled upon the D80 and apparently it is very similar to T05. i
Is this true and how do they compare. Is the D80 maybe the best rubber of all time and the best out of T05 D05 D80.
 
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Is the D80 maybe the best rubber of all time
For some it might be, others would disagree. You will need to find out whether it´s the best for you. If you are currently playing with Rozena you will lose a lot of catapult and you might find it a lot harder to generate spin. The difference in sponge hardness is very, very noticeable.
t05 feels - while not being a soft rubber per sé - softer than D80.

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I like D80 but I really can't say it does any one thing particularly well. It loses in spin and arc to D05/D09C and it also loses to D64 in speed and spin-insensitivity. Its not as explosive or as reactive as T05 either. I think D80 is the control/balance Dignics, it is easier to use than D09C/D05 (not as hard feeling, less reactive) and it also has the edge in spin over D64 even though I think D64 is easier to activate and use especially on bh because of its softer feeling and more direct nature. It is a more controlled/subdued rubber compared to T05, but T05 allows you easier access to shot quality. I think Mizutani is the best example of what D80 is best suited for, stronger balance between offense and defense, playing around and a bit off the table aiming to counterloop, strong rally and allround attacking skills. Strongly attacking at the table is better assigned to D09C/D05 because of the stronger spin, and playing fast/quick at the table D64 would be more ideal because of the flatter arc and easier activation. But in the end it depends on the feelings of the user
 
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For some it might be, others would disagree. You will need to find out whether it´s the best for you. If you are currently playing with Rozena you will lose a lot of catapult and you might find it a lot harder to generate spin. The difference in sponge hardness is very, very noticeable.
t05 feels - while not being a soft rubber per sé - softer than D80.

My advice: Try before you buy...
I was on Dignics 09c first and had no issue with the hardness. I went to Rozena to improve technique especially on backhand where I had D05. But I fell like rozena does not give me enough spin on forehand topspins. With d09c i could go hard and spinny or soft and spinny and I felt like my opponents where blocking out a lot more. Now they don't and I have to work so much harder for points. I don't want go go back to D09c because I play a lot in mind distance right now and think it might be to slow. That's why I am looking at D80 or Tenergy 05. Apparently D80 is easier to control then D05 and has a more ease of spin creation. Sounds like T05 for me that's why I made this thread. I don't want to spend 140€ just to try 2 rubbers. If there is a clear better winner for mid distance top spins and counter topspins at the table I would take that one.
 
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I like D80 but I really can't say it does any one thing particularly well. It loses in spin and arc to D05/D09C and it also loses to D64 in speed and spin-insensitivity. Its not as explosive or as reactive as T05 either. I think D80 is the control/balance Dignics, it is easier to use than D09C/D05 (not as hard feeling, less reactive) and it also has the edge in spin over D64 even though I think D64 is easier to activate and use especially on bh because of its softer feeling and more direct nature. It is a more controlled/subdued rubber compared to T05, but T05 allows you easier access to shot quality. I think Mizutani is the best example of what D80 is best suited for, stronger balance between offense and defense, playing around and a bit off the table aiming to counterloop, strong rally and allround attacking skills. Strongly attacking at the table is better assigned to D09C/D05 because of the stronger spin, and playing fast/quick at the table D64 would be more ideal because of the flatter arc and easier activation. But in the end it depends on the feelings of the user
Interesting comparison thank you.
So D80 is ok in everything and not bad in nothing? If accessing the potentil of the rubber is not an issue do you think D80 has more spin then T05 and is better for open ups?
 
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Interesting comparison thank you.
So D80 is ok in everything and not bad in nothing? If accessing the potentil of the rubber is not an issue do you think D80 has more spin then T05 and is better for open ups?
D80 feels like it has less spin, but its also more stable and predictable than T05. Imo T05 is better to loop and add spin with but D80 easier to gauge impact and control where you hit
 
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What makes you comeback? What is the characteristic that keeps you on it?
The trajectory/speed. I haven't tried Tenergy 19 but that might be the comparison. A rubber that sends the ball through the table safely. By comparison, Dignics 05 seems slow (arcs higher) and doesn't block as well. With 80, passive blocks are safe and controllable while 05 needs more of a countering motion to control the spin. If you are active all the time, 05 mighr be better but if your play switches back and forth between active and passive and is more all round, then 80 is better. Also easier to drive the ball with 80.
 
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I don't think D80 or even D05 is similar to T05. They are completely different rubbers with different pros and cons.

First of all, and im my humble opinion, D05 and D80 are not that different, if i didnt have both glued at the same time on the same blade, i probably couldnt tell the difference between the two but here it goes.
The Dignics 05 felt spinnier and to some degree softer that the D80, which i wasnt expecting because T80 feels softer then T05 because of the pimple geometry. If the pimple geometry is the same between Tenergy and Dignics the feeling should be the same but it didnt feel that way.

The arc is higher on D05 which in my opinion are lower that tenergy in general, so D80 is even lower than D05. I'm a "classical looper" with a fast top spin that generally dont struggle with clearing the net (i actually struggle with hitting the table), and i felt that with D80 i had a hard time clearing the net. I don't think that was a rubber problem but a technique problem on my part. Hard rubber combined with somewhat low throw rubber did that for me.

For reference i was using T80 before but didnt enjoy the spin sensitivity mainly on touch play and serve receive that's why i went searching for other FH rubber. In the end i still didn't choose D05 because i think i'm not on the level i can fully utilize the Hardness of the rubbers so i went with Tenergy 19. To me its the best compromise between Tenergy and Dignics. When Butterfly release a D05FX then i might switch but for know i dont have the skills to fully dominate Dignics.
 
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I don't think D80 or even D05 is similar to T05. They are completely different rubbers with different pros and cons.

First of all, and im my humble opinion, D05 and D80 are not that different, if i didnt have both glued at the same time on the same blade, i probably couldnt tell the difference between the two but here it goes.
The Dignics 05 felt spinnier and to some degree softer that the D80, which i wasnt expecting because T80 feels softer then T05 because of the pimple geometry. If the pimple geometry is the same between Tenergy and Dignics the feeling should be the same but it didnt feel that way.

The arc is higher on D05 which in my opinion are lower that tenergy in general, so D80 is even lower than D05. I'm a "classical looper" with a fast top spin that generally dont struggle with clearing the net (i actually struggle with hitting the table), and i felt that with D80 i had a hard time clearing the net. I don't think that was a rubber problem but a technique problem on my part. Hard rubber combined with somewhat low throw rubber did that for me.

For reference i was using T80 before but didnt enjoy the spin sensitivity mainly on touch play and serve receive that's why i went searching for other FH rubber. In the end i still didn't choose D05 because i think i'm not on the level i can fully utilize the Hardness of the rubbers so i went with Tenergy 19. To me its the best compromise between Tenergy and Dignics. When Butterfly release a D05FX then i might switch but for know i dont have the skills to fully dominate Dignics.
It's all relative but D80 is hardly a low throw rubber, only compared to like D05 and T05 or stuff like that. And if you are someone who wants to focus more on speed over spin vs D05, then D80 is your rubber. But someone who wants to play spinny power topspins and not score through hitting the ball pasts the opponent may prefer D05. The differences are subtle but real. But I find that D05 tends to be relatively slow for how I want to play, but not bad on my SALC. But for blocking, I find that D05 sometimes just grabs the ball to the point I am embarassed to play against spinny topspins. I don't have that problem as much with D80.
 
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It's all relative but D80 is hardly a low throw rubber, only compared to like D05 and T05 or stuff like that. And if you are someone who wants to focus more on speed over spin vs D05, then D80 is your rubber. But someone who wants to play spinny power topspins and not score through hitting the ball pasts the opponent may prefer D05. The differences are subtle but real. But I find that D05 tends to be relatively slow for how I want to play, but not bad on my SALC. But for blocking, I find that D05 sometimes just grabs the ball to the point I am embarassed to play against spinny topspins. I don't have that problem as much with D80.
I admit that it might be a technique problem on my part I started playing table tennis again after a 10years hiatus and i always loved soft rubbers thats why im struggling to activate the sponge on the Dignics line. What i love about them is when you get that perfect timing the ball shoots like a canon and almost doesnt rise when it hits the table.
 
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Any partiular reason why you say that?
Hard to say because I think it’s more just a personal feeling and not huge difference… on viscaria, D80 gave me more safety and ease of use compared to D05, angle worked well for me particularly on backhand for blocks and opens. Thought I liked it on htsalc for a bit but realized ball was shooting lower/straighter so I either had to take speed off backhand open to get arc down or close more but it doesn’t have as much grab as 05. Could play good, low trajectory shots but less safety for clipping net or going out when compared to 05 on htsalc. The inner carbon tamed 05 a bit compared to how I felt it was on viscaria (wasn’t as easy for me to play). The little more arc and shorter trajectory makes 05 easier on backhand of htsalc for me, forehand had pros/cons to them. 80 is good for drive/block/redirect and 05 is better forward open/counter. Just my thoughts. I really liked switching from 05 to 80 on viscaria and was more indifferent between two on htsalc but would pick 05 both sides rather than combo or both 80.
 
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